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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 12:56:03 GMT -5
Kanye West's artistic ideas are as deep as the $120 plain white t-shirts that he sells. And he even complained about those, claiming all they'll let famous black people like him design is t-shirts. Given that context, is it any wonder the shirts came out like this: {Spoiler}{Spoiler} And white kids ran out to buy it. I say white kids because y'all know that's most of his audience anyway.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Sept 27, 2013 13:01:25 GMT -5
Kanye West's artistic ideas are as deep as the $120 plain white t-shirts that he sells. And he even complained about those, claiming all they'll let famous black people like him design is t-shirts. Please don't take what I said as a criticism (necessarily). The guy called himself a post-modernist, which, well, fine, fair enough (though in a post-post-modernist era this claim has as much depth as the artistic movement itself does, which is very apropos). However, had Zane Lowe actually pushed Kanye a little bit about, say racism, in relation to the racism Kanye West experiences as a black man in the fashion industry with that of the racism that Kanye West espouses on Yeezus when he compares oral sex with Asian women to that of eating sweet and sour sauce (not to mention the conflation of women's identities to the sexual capacity of their vaginas, save those of his family, like his mother or his wife), that would provide a moment of convergence, of profound artistic contemplation, when otherwise Kanye (seemingly) ignores the gaps in his own logic. Then again, in the Lowe interview, first he's angry that people are angry with him for claiming to be 'a god' instead of being 'a slave', and he's certainly not wrong about that as an idea, and then mere minutes later happily pronounces is slavery to fashion, as insular an industry which connotes (well, denotes, given the popularity of fashion imagery) capitalism, racism, classism, sexism, and everything else that he claims to resist or subvert. Does Kanye not see this aporia in what he claims is his art? Or does he just not care because he's making money off it? For what it's worth, I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 13:13:26 GMT -5
And he even complained about those, claiming all they'll let famous black people like him design is t-shirts. Please don't take what I said as a criticism (necessarily). The guy called himself a post-modernist, which, well, fine, fair enough (though in a post-post-modernist era this claim has as much depth as the artistic movement itself does, which is very apropos). However, had Zane Lowe actually pushed Kanye a little bit about, say racism, in relation to the racism Kanye West experiences as a black man in the fashion industry with that of the racism that Kanye West espouses on Yeezus when he compares oral sex with Asian women to that of eating sweet and sour sauce (not to mention the conflation of women's identities to the sexual capacity of their vaginas, save those of his family, like his mother or his wife), that would provide a moment of convergence, of profound artistic contemplation, when otherwise Kanye (seemingly) ignores the gaps in his own logic. Then again, in the Lowe interview, first he's angry that people are angry with him for claiming to be 'a god' instead of being 'a slave', and he's certainly not wrong about that as an idea, and then mere minutes later happily pronounces is slavery to fashion, as insular an industry which connotes (well, denotes, given the popularity of fashion imagery) capitalism, racism, classism, sexism, and everything else that he claims to resist or subvert. Does Kanye not see this aporia in what he claims is his art? Or does he just not care because he's making money off it? For what it's worth, I suppose. Now, see. Some of that would be a source of valid criticism. Kanye, on his better days constantly pointed out how much of a hypocrite he was when it came to his own materialism. I give him a bit of leeway about being of two minds about it, because that's a flaw a lot of people have. Now even though Kanye is talented, the dude always did have really shitty things to say, especially when it pertained to Black women. Black dudes always get fame and money for using their pedestal to talk shit about women of color, Black women especially. Kanye isn't an idiot, but I agree with him being an ass, just not in the really shallow way people swear he is.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Sept 27, 2013 13:16:42 GMT -5
He's doing this on purpose and hey, it's working judging from all the conversation about it.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 27, 2013 13:56:34 GMT -5
And this is why I f*** with Kanye West. And his ridiculous ego.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Sept 27, 2013 13:58:40 GMT -5
And this is why I f*** with Kanye West. And his ridiculous ego. You have constant sex with Kanye, and you love stroking his ridiculous ego?
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Sept 27, 2013 14:24:35 GMT -5
And this is why I f*** with Kanye West. And his ridiculous ego. You have constant sex with Kanye, and you love stroking his ridiculous ego? Wow! You made that reference?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 16:21:02 GMT -5
And this is why I f*** with Kanye West. And his ridiculous ego. I see what he's saying to a certain degree, but it's not like white dudes who refer to themselves as a 'god' don't get looked at crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 17:04:12 GMT -5
And this is why I f*** with Kanye West. And his ridiculous ego. I see what he's saying to a certain degree, but it's not like white dudes who refer to themselves as a 'god' don't get looked at crazy. Yeah - also, there's this thing called a middle ground. You don't have to be a criminal OR a God and that's it. It's easy to go "See, if a black guy calls himself God instead of a ganster or a pimp people trample all over him! I can't win!" But that's just creating false parameters, then complaining when people don't live within them like you do. There are degrees in between that sound less crazy/egotistical/heretical. Virtuoso, visionary, master craftsman, expert - maybe he just needs one of those; whaddya call those books that have words that mean the same thing but are different words? Apatasaurus?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 17:34:52 GMT -5
Yeah - also, there's this thing called a middle ground. You don't have to be a criminal OR a God and that's it. It's easy to go "See, if a black guy calls himself God instead of a ganster or a pimp people trample all over him! I can't win!" But that's just creating false parameters, then complaining when people don't live within them like you do. There are degrees in between that sound less crazy/egotistical/heretical. Virtuoso, visionary, master craftsman, expert - maybe he just needs one of those; whaddya call those books that have words that mean the same thing but are different words? Apatasaurus? Nah, you're missing the bigger issue. And I'm about to go all in here... The thing is for a Black person in his position to not only be a creative genius but to refer to himself as that openly in public is a big no-no. He's a Black person who is creative out of his ass and is decidedly not humble about it meaning he doesn't know his place, and that's what it's ultimately about. Jimmy Kimmel doing that skit actually demonstrated exactly what Kanye was talking about, there's a specific message being sent to him (intentional or not) by doing a skit where none of his words were changed, but they cast a little boy as Kanye. That's why I'm never about people recoiling in horror at Kanye being well aware of where he fits into pop culture in general and music specifically. Let's be real, Kanye is the biggest artist in the world. He shouldn't be humble about that because it hurts people's feelings. No white artists are mercilessly thrashed constantly like Kanye is the second he opens his mouth about anything and daring to be confident in his own abilities. **** that humility shit. Go talk to Robert Downey Jr. about being humble about his skills or something.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 27, 2013 17:56:18 GMT -5
I see what he's saying to a certain degree, but it's not like white dudes who refer to themselves as a 'god' don't get looked at crazy. No disagreement here. I said quite plainly that his massive ego can be "ridiculous". That said, Kanye West is talented as hell, and he's hardly the only musician with an ego. He's just over the top with it, like he is with everything else he does.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 17:58:45 GMT -5
Yeah - also, there's this thing called a middle ground. You don't have to be a criminal OR a God and that's it. It's easy to go "See, if a black guy calls himself God instead of a ganster or a pimp people trample all over him! I can't win!" But that's just creating false parameters, then complaining when people don't live within them like you do. There are degrees in between that sound less crazy/egotistical/heretical. Virtuoso, visionary, master craftsman, expert - maybe he just needs one of those; whaddya call those books that have words that mean the same thing but are different words? Apatasaurus? Nah, you're missing the bigger issue. And I'm about to go all in here... The thing is for a Black person in his position to not only be a creative genius but to refer to himself as that openly in public is a big no-no. He's a Black person who is creative out of his ass and is decidedly not humble about it meaning he doesn't know his place, and that's what it's ultimately about. Jimmy Kimmel doing that skit actually demonstrated exactly what Kanye was talking about, there's a specific message being sent to him (intentional or not) by doing a skit where none of his words were changed, but they cast a little boy as Kanye. That's why I'm never about people recoiling in horror at Kanye being well aware of where he fits into pop culture in general and music specifically. Let's be real, Kanye is the biggest artist in the world. He shouldn't be humble about that because it hurts people's feelings. No white artists are mercilessly thrashed constantly like Kanye is the second he opens his mouth about anything and daring to be confident in his own abilities. **** that humility shit. Go talk to Robert Downey Jr. about being humble about his skills or something. Let's not confuse confidence with egotism. Confident people don't run around talking about how great they are or how they're the best. That is what egotists do. Egotists, amongst other things, are usually riddled with either insecurities or low-esteem which is why they constantly feel the needs to let others know how great they are. Being confident in your abilities means you'll let your abilities speak for themselves. Now which one does Kanye sound more like you? As Kanye himself put it, The people highest up have the lowest self esteem. Now, regarding the idea that black man shouldn't tout his abilities or regard himself in high esteem. First off WHO says this? Society? The very society that buys his records and follow him on Twitter? Not likely. Second - the attribute of egotism is not highly regarded in any race. But maybe I'm wrong - name me 5 white artists who self-aggrandize on the same level Kanye does and we'll examine their careers to see if they suffer(ed) from the same alleged backlash.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 18:36:24 GMT -5
Let's not confuse confidence with egotism. Confident people don't run around talking about how great they are or how they're the best. That is what egotists do. Egotists, amongst other things, are usually riddled with either insecurities or low-esteem which is why they constantly feel the needs to let others know how great they are. Being confident in your abilities means you'll let your abilities speak for themselves. Now which one does Kanye sound more like you? As Kanye himself put it, The people highest up have the lowest self esteem. Now, regarding the idea that black man shouldn't tout his abilities or regard himself in high esteem. First off WHO says this? Society? The very society that buys his records and follow him on Twitter? Not likely. Second - the attribute of egotism is not highly regarded in any race. But maybe I'm wrong - name me 5 white artists who self-aggrandize on the same level Kanye does and we'll examine their careers to see if they suffer(ed) from the same alleged backlash. Look, I know more than enough about it to know that someone who is "confident" and someone who is "egocentric" tends to be in the eye of the beholder. And I also know Black people (not even any even in Kanye's position) are always told to downplay our skills, no matter how good, and soften our opinions, no matter how right, so as to not rock the boat or aggravate certain people because doing that in the wrong instance could have dangerous and at times very lethal consequences. Kanye could break every record there is when it comes to music, design or anything but he better not say shit about it or dare say it's got anything to do with his talent, otherwise people will come on all corners to talk shit on him "ranting" or how out of control and crazy he is, or that he's just bragging or some other shit that's about not taking him seriously. Kanye West is one of the best people out there doing it today and you know, he's definitely got to deal with the same shit. So I'm totally down with Kanye being Kanye and calling himself a god or a Yeezus or whatever he wants. Again, who the hell is he being humble for? Himself? No, if that were the case he'd be downplaying his skills anyway and that's pretty paternalistic. The only reason he'd have to be humble is to not hurt feelings for fear of the consequences, like I said earlier. You know what, it could be egoism, but I know damn well that charge ain't ever evenly applied to talented people. With Kanye being at the top of the pile as he is, I don't expect that to be objectively applied to him either, not without that icky racial-coding that goes along with telling him to be humble/bow his head/etc. And I just told you who Kanye West sounds like to me; a complicated ass who if anything has enough self-awareness to know where he fits in music and pop culture. I'm talking about Kanye being frustrated because the minute he opens his mouth about anything he isn't taken seriously. Kimmel has a sketch that proves Kanye's point to the letter. Jimmy Kimmel knows he's wrong and knows he doesn't really know shit, but by golly, he's going to go on about it anyway. Didn't I say Kimmel wasn't shit, y'all? Anyway, I can't sit and have this back-and-forth with you comparing artists, dude. Who would I be doing that for, anyway? Not for me, I know it exists and it's pretty much the same shit that goes on with a lot of the Kanye hate. EDIT: And let's not get too twisted, Kanye does to go in on the effects of racism and classism in the interview. Y'all know he's going to get called everything under the sun to make it look like he's just some other crazy Black person with a magical fake world in his head.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 19:36:41 GMT -5
Let's not confuse confidence with egotism. Confident people don't run around talking about how great they are or how they're the best. That is what egotists do. Egotists, amongst other things, are usually riddled with either insecurities or low-esteem which is why they constantly feel the needs to let others know how great they are. Being confident in your abilities means you'll let your abilities speak for themselves. Now which one does Kanye sound more like you? As Kanye himself put it, The people highest up have the lowest self esteem. Now, regarding the idea that black man shouldn't tout his abilities or regard himself in high esteem. First off WHO says this? Society? The very society that buys his records and follow him on Twitter? Not likely. Second - the attribute of egotism is not highly regarded in any race. But maybe I'm wrong - name me 5 white artists who self-aggrandize on the same level Kanye does and we'll examine their careers to see if they suffer(ed) from the same alleged backlash. Look, I know more than enough about it to know that someone who is "confident" and someone who is "egocentric" tends to be in the eye of the beholder. And I also know Black people (not even any even in Kanye's position) are always told to downplay our skills, no matter how good, and soften our opinions, no matter how right, so as to not rock the boat or aggravate certain people because doing that in the wrong instance could have dangerous and at times very lethal consequences. Kanye could break every record there is when it comes to music, design or anything but he better not say shit about it or dare say it's got anything to do with his talent, otherwise people will come on all corners to talk shit on him "ranting" or how out of control and crazy he is, or that he's just bragging or some other shit that's about not taking him seriously. Kanye West is one of the best people out there doing it today and you know, he's definitely got to deal with the same shit. So I'm totally down with Kanye being Kanye and calling himself a god or a Yeezus or whatever he wants. Again, who the hell is he being humble for? Himself? No, if that were the case he'd be downplaying his skills anyway and that's pretty paternalistic. The only reason he'd have to be humble is to not hurt feelings for fear of the consequences, like I said earlier. You know what, it could be egoism, but I know damn well that charge ain't ever evenly applied to talented people. With Kanye being at the top of the pile as he is, I don't expect that to be objectively applied to him either, not without that icky racial-coding that goes along with telling him to be humble/bow his head/etc. And I just told you who Kanye West sounds like to me; a complicated ass who if anything has enough self-awareness to know where he fits in music and pop culture. I'm talking about Kanye being frustrated because the minute he opens his mouth about anything he isn't taken seriously. Kimmel has a sketch that proves Kanye's point to the letter. Jimmy Kimmel knows he's wrong and knows he doesn't really know shit, but by golly, he's going to go on about it anyway. Didn't I say Kimmel wasn't shit, y'all? Anyway, I can't sit and have this back-and-forth with you comparing artists, dude. Who would I be doing that for, anyway? Not for me, I know it exists and it's pretty much the same shit that goes on with a lot of the Kanye hate. EDIT: And let's not get too twisted, Kanye does to go in on the effects of racism and classism in the interview. Y'all know he's going to get called everything under the sun to make it look like he's just some other crazy Black person with a magical fake world in his head. Translation= you can't name anyone at Kanye's level of egotism in the music world because no one has even come close to it - and honestly neither could I. But you DO raise an interesting question - why be humble? Which, let's be honest, no one's asking Kayne to be humble about anything - the guy is just making music. Very, very popular music, but still its just pop songs. He's not reversing global warming, curing cancer or sheltering the homeless, so I think people view his egotism as disproportional to his accomplishments. So, I'm not saying he should be humble, but when you're calling yourself God for making beats, you've got a serious psychological problem - either that or your priorities are all f***ed up. Also, its very easy to say, "I'm not going to debate with you on this message board about a topic - IT EXISTS what I say is truth!" but haha, whatever. When 'ye starts dropping stuff like this - then he can talk:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 19:58:45 GMT -5
Translation= you can't name anyone at Kanye's level of egotism in the music world because no one has even come close to it - and honestly neither could I. But you DO raise an interesting question - why be humble? Which, let's be honest, no one's asking Kayne to be humble about anything - the guy is just making music. Very, very popular music, but still its just pop songs. He's not reversing global warming, curing cancer or sheltering the homeless, so I think people view his egotism as disproportional to his accomplishments. So, I'm not saying he should be humble, but when you're calling yourself God for making beats, you've got a serious psychological problem - either that or your priorities are all f***ed up. Also, its very easy to say, "I'm not going to debate with you on this message board about a topic - IT EXISTS what I say is truth!" but haha, whatever. But dude, he's saying he's the best at what he does. He's a GOD at what he does. He is the best at what he does and there are compelling reasons as to why he believes this, so why even be like "So what, it ain't like he curing cancer?" What does curing cancer or projecting clean water from his ass have anything to do with what he's talking about? Nothing, man. He never said he was going to do any of that shit, so it looks unreasonable when you hate on him for saying how awesome he is when the only thing you can say is "**** him, he ain't having a physics breakthrough." Just....why do you even want to play these types of games, man? See? I knew I shouldn't have said shit, cause the minute you do you get dudes talking about "PROVE IT!" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. When you don't want to even go through with that shit because 9 times out of 10 it's just frustrating and futile ('cause y'know, this happens constantly, man. CONSTANTLY.), it becomes "See? You can't prove it!" like we on the goddamn debate team and this is for points and a re-purposed lacrosse trophy. How about you prove to me this "arrogant" label is applied evenly to all artists that's objectively based on their talent and has got nothing to do with their race? And no, dude. I'm not even talking about people at his level, what Kanye's talking about is we all have to deal with as Black people in America, which is why I'm down for him saying he's best as many times as he wants. I'm just telling you it's different when it's for Black people. For the life of me, I don't know why the hell you think I'd be lying to you about it or have no idea of what I'm talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 20:08:43 GMT -5
Translation= you can't name anyone at Kanye's level of egotism in the music world because no one has even come close to it - and honestly neither could I. But you DO raise an interesting question - why be humble? Which, let's be honest, no one's asking Kayne to be humble about anything - the guy is just making music. Very, very popular music, but still its just pop songs. He's not reversing global warming, curing cancer or sheltering the homeless, so I think people view his egotism as disproportional to his accomplishments. So, I'm not saying he should be humble, but when you're calling yourself God for making beats, you've got a serious psychological problem - either that or your priorities are all f***ed up. Also, its very easy to say, "I'm not going to debate with you on this message board about a topic - IT EXISTS what I say is truth!" but haha, whatever. But dude, he's saying he's the best at what he does. He's a GOD at what he does. He is the best at what he does and there are compelling reasons as to why he believes this, so why even be like "So what, it ain't like he curing cancer?" What does curing cancer or projecting clean water from his ass have anything to do with what he's talking about? Nothing, man. He never said he was going to do any of that shit, so it looks unreasonable when you hate on him for saying how awesome he is when the only thing you can say is "**** him, he ain't having a physics breakthrough." Just....why do you even want to play these types of games, man? See? I knew I shouldn't have said shit, cause the minute you do you get dudes talking about "PROVE IT!" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. When you don't want to even go through with that shit because 9 times out of 10 it's just frustrating and futile ('cause y'know, this happens constantly, man. CONSTANTLY.), it becomes "See? You can't prove it!" like we on the goddamn debate team and this is for points and a re-purposed lacrosse trophy. How about you prove to me this "arrogant" label is applied evenly to all artists that's objectively based on their talent and has got nothing to do with their race? And no, dude. I'm not even talking about people at his level, what Kanye's talking about is we all have to deal with as Black people in America, which is why I'm down for him saying he's best as many times as he wants. I'm just telling you it's different when it's for Black people. I can't for the life of me know why the hell you think I'd be lying to you about it or have no idea of what I'm talking about. I'd love to prove that "arrogant" is applied evenly to all artists, but no one can touch Kanye on his level of egotism. But, you're missing the point man. He's acting like making music is the be-all, end-all. "I'm the best at music - whoop-a-dee-doooo!" Like, honestly man, you're just making beats. Why get all cocky like that? That's egotism right there. I don't know why you can't see that. First off - he's not the best, as music is subjective, etc, etc ok. But let's say that he is - AND? The guy sets in a studio and makes the levels go up and down and just like EVERY other rapper alive - he claims he's the best. He's not repping black people or standing up for them or anything. He's a multi-billionaire trying to leverage cash and controversy into making even MORE money. I don't see him reppin anyone but Kanye - but you know, what - if you do and you see him as a role model and that gives you some kind of inspiration or something to aspire to do more - then I'll back off because that's probably the most positive thing Kanye's done to date. I'm not trying to say musics not important, because it is, but not THAT important that you're entire self-worth is wrapped up in it to the point you can't handle a hacky comedian on CBS poking fun at you. Its just funny to me, because a guy like Kanye, who should go down in history as a phenomenal musician would rather be known as a cocky egotist. Like most musicians, he's his own biggest stumbling block.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 20:52:11 GMT -5
I'd love to prove that "arrogant" is applied evenly to all artists, but no one can touch Kanye on his level of egotism. But, you're missing the point man. He's acting like making music is the be-all, end-all. "I'm the best at music - whoop-a-dee-doooo!" Like, honestly man, you're just making beats. Why get all cocky like that? That's egotism right there. I don't know why you can't see that. First off - he's not the best, as music is subjective, etc, etc ok. But let's say that he is - AND? The guy sets in a studio and makes the levels go up and down and just like EVERY other rapper alive - he claims he's the best. He's not repping black people or standing up for them or anything. He's a multi-billionaire trying to leverage cash and controversy into making even MORE money. I don't see him reppin anyone but Kanye - but you know, what - if you do and you see him as a role model and that gives you some kind of inspiration or something to aspire to do more - then I'll back off because that's probably the most positive thing Kanye's done to date. I'm not trying to say musics not important, because it is, but not THAT important that you're entire self-worth is wrapped up in it to the point you can't handle a hacky comedian on CBS poking fun at you. Its just funny to me, because a guy like Kanye, who should go down in history as a phenomenal musician would rather be known as a cocky egotist. Like most musicians, he's his own biggest stumbling block. I just said he's genius-level talented but says some really skeevy shit. This isn't about music in general. It's really about expressions of confidence Black people are never allowed to show. I don't think Kanye merely saying he's a GOD at what he does is any worse than anything else I've heard said by people confident in what they do, with tons of accolades to back them up. I get it in the sense that he's the best, has a compelling argument as to why he is and has no problem saying it. Him merely saying that being where he is, with the implication of "**** all y'all who don't want to accept it," is awesome. This is really an issue that's bigger than Kanye, honestly. Black people in general don't get to say that without getting shouted down and told to shut up and be "humble," no matter how good we are. I can't get any simpler than that. You don't see the value in that no matter what I tell you so, I mean...there's nothing more I can say about it. Kanye talked shit to Kimmel because Kimmel did exactly what Kanye said people do to him, by dismissing all the real shit Kanye talked about and saying he was the equivalent to a little boy. A boy. Just...hm. I mean, Kanye's said tons of problematic shit, but people never seem to care about the legitimately horrible stuff he says, though I think it has a lot to do with the focus of where his problematic shit is. He says he's cosmically awesome (which again, the best you can say is that it's arguable) and people want to beat down the door to tell him he's not because of...reasons that are eerily similar to blind hatred. And for what? It's the same ol' song and dance. I'm three miles past tired of seeing it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 21:09:19 GMT -5
I'd love to prove that "arrogant" is applied evenly to all artists, but no one can touch Kanye on his level of egotism. But, you're missing the point man. He's acting like making music is the be-all, end-all. "I'm the best at music - whoop-a-dee-doooo!" Like, honestly man, you're just making beats. Why get all cocky like that? That's egotism right there. I don't know why you can't see that. First off - he's not the best, as music is subjective, etc, etc ok. But let's say that he is - AND? The guy sets in a studio and makes the levels go up and down and just like EVERY other rapper alive - he claims he's the best. He's not repping black people or standing up for them or anything. He's a multi-billionaire trying to leverage cash and controversy into making even MORE money. I don't see him reppin anyone but Kanye - but you know, what - if you do and you see him as a role model and that gives you some kind of inspiration or something to aspire to do more - then I'll back off because that's probably the most positive thing Kanye's done to date. I'm not trying to say musics not important, because it is, but not THAT important that you're entire self-worth is wrapped up in it to the point you can't handle a hacky comedian on CBS poking fun at you. Its just funny to me, because a guy like Kanye, who should go down in history as a phenomenal musician would rather be known as a cocky egotist. Like most musicians, he's his own biggest stumbling block. I just said he's genius-level talented but says some really skeevy shit. This isn't about music in general. It's really about expressions of confidence Black people are never allowed to show. I don't think Kanye merely saying he's a GOD at what he does is any worse than anything else I've heard said by people confident in what they do, with tons of accolades to back them up. I get it in the sense that he's the best, has a compelling argument as to why he is and has no problem saying it. Him merely saying that being where he is, with the implication of "**** all y'all who don't want to accept it," is awesome. This is really an issue that's bigger than Kanye, honestly. Black people in general don't get to say that without getting shouted down and told to shut up and be "humble," no matter how good we are. I can't get any simpler than that. You don't see the value in that no matter what I tell you so, I mean...there's nothing more I can say about it. Kanye talked shit to Kimmel because Kimmel did exactly what Kanye said people do to him, by dismissing all the real shit Kanye talked about and saying he was the equivalent to a little boy. A boy. Just...hm. I mean, Kanye's said tons of problematic shit, but people never seem to care about the legitimately horrible stuff he says, though I think it has a lot to do with the focus of where his problematic shit is. He says he's cosmically awesome (which again, the best you can say is that it's arguable) and people want to beat down the door to tell him he's not because of...reasons that are eerily similar to blind hatred. And for what? It's the same ol' song and dance. I'm three miles past tired of seeing it. I think trying to attribute an entire race of people's real problems to one arrogant billionaire's champagne problems is problematic at beat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 21:14:08 GMT -5
[I think trying to attribute an entire race of people's real problems to one arrogant billionaire's champagne problems is problematic at beat. I think you're deliberately not getting what I'm saying, so I guess I picked a good time to stop.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 21:23:54 GMT -5
[I think trying to attribute an entire race of people's real problems to one arrogant billionaire's champagne problems is problematic at beat. I think you're deliberately not getting what I'm saying, so I guess I picked a good time to stop. I must say, I'm having the exact same thought about yourself - so, good call!
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