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[hollywood]

leemir said:

Anybody think ROH could benefit from Heyman?

He certainly couldn't hurt them, but I don't think ROH is in dire need of his help or anything. TNA on the other hand...

[KLRA]

I wouldn't be suprised if Mr. Heyman made a suprise appearance at ROH this weekend.

["Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat]

stevedave said:

I wouldn't be suprised if Mr. Heyman made a suprise appearance at ROH this weekend.

Now that'd be bad ass, Heyman getting behind ROH could bring in even more fans

[Chuckie Finster]

I'm thinking we see in the next month or two.....

Straight Shooting with Paul Heyman Volume 1

It'd have to go at least two volumes. Vol 1 dealing with early years, WCW, and early (NWA-)ECW, Vol 2 being ECW mid to late years and Vol 3 being WWF/E.

It'd be awesome.

[hollywood]

tdog231 said:

I'm thinking we see in the next month or two.....

Straight Shooting with Paul Heyman Volume 1

It'd have to go at least two volumes. Vol 1 dealing with early years, WCW, and early (NWA-)ECW, Vol 2 being ECW mid to late years and Vol 3 being WWF/E.

It'd be awesome.

I would order that the MINUTE I heard of it.

[JMA]

rrm15 said:

Heyman and RVD really do go to TNA, it will be a non-stop yelling at the WWE fest. Like it wasn't bad enough with VKM and Team 3D..

The difference is that Heyman and RVD would have valid reasons to be pissed.

[hollywood]

jma said:

rrm15 said:

Heyman and RVD really do go to TNA, it will be a non-stop yelling at the WWE fest. Like it wasn't bad enough with VKM and Team 3D..

The difference is that Heyman and RVD would have valid reasons to be pissed.

Plus, Heyman would actually be interesting to listen to. The man is golden on the microphone. (I know it's cliche, but dammit it's true!)

[nerdinitupagain]

I think Heyman wouldn't be the face of "Vince fired me.. boohoo.." of WWE resentment, I think he'd be the "Vince McMahon has screwed up this buisness that I love to the point it is a f***in joke... and I will rest at nothing to bring back the excitement, the love, and the passion that was mother f***in E C f***IN W to you and crush that bastard like Eric Bischoff almost did.. except unlike Eazy E.. I'll make sure he's dead after I crush him."

That being said, I don't think I want him in TNA. I'd rather see him in ROH or PWG or 1PW or just some smaller fed that has a little bit of buzz like ECW. TNA while good could never produce the atmosphere that Heyman needs to get a product over. Plus, Heyman needs the smark crowd. Then again... Heyman and Raven working together again wouldn't be too bad in my book.

Screw Russo. Make heyman and Raven the booking team

[HMARK Center]

leemir said:

Anybody think ROH could benefit from Heyman?

Not particularly; Gabe's one of the better bookers going right now, and a Heyman-apprentice, so ROH isn't in a situation where they need much help.

That said, Heyman and Gabe working together, even only a little bit, would be quite fun.

[Michael Coello]

I remember hearing that Heyman was thinging of writing scripts and doing MMA after WWE.

[JMA]

Just imagine a booking team of Heyman, Raven, Taylor, and Cornette. They could make a product that nearly everyone would like.

[rrm15]

jma said:

Just imagine a booking team of Heyman, Raven, Taylor, and Cornette. They could make a product that nearly everyone would like.

They'd all probably clash too much to put out a good show. Doesn't Raven hate Heyman?

[STMP]

rrm15 said:

jma said:

Just imagine a booking team of Heyman, Raven, Taylor, and Cornette. They could make a product that nearly everyone would like.

They'd all probably clash too much to put out a good show. Doesn't Raven hate Heyman?

And Cornette isn't a big fan of Heyman either. It was Heyman who started the hardcorestyle that changed pro-wrestling in the 90's.

[JMA]

rrm15 said:

Doesn't Raven hate Heyman?

No. They made up after Heyman heavily put over Raven on The Rise and Fall of ECW.

[nerdinitupagain]

What non-TNA small on the rise company do you want to see Heyman align himself with? TNA wouldn't feel right to me with Heyman. Not because I'm in love with TNA's product by any means (I like it, but it still is kinda eh to me), but because Heyman feels like that working class environment to me. I could see him doing ROH, but I wouldn't really like it. I've never seen CZW but it sounds about right for him. Then there's PWG which I keep hearing good things about, UPW...

I know there's a lot of you who follow the indies better.. what would you say is the best spot for him?

[JMA]

CZW would be a good fit for Heyman.

[hollywood]

nerdinitupagain said:

What non-TNA small on the rise company do you want to see Heyman align himself with? TNA wouldn't feel right to me with Heyman. Not because I'm in love with TNA's product by any means (I like it, but it still is kinda eh to me), but because Heyman feels like that working class environment to me. I could see him doing ROH, but I wouldn't really like it. I've never seen CZW but it sounds about right for him. Then there's PWG which I keep hearing good things about, UPW...

I know there's a lot of you who follow the indies better.. what would you say is the best spot for him?

The thing is, Eastern Championship Wrestling (NWA-ECW) was pretty "eh" when Heyman took the reigns. It wasn't really much more than your average indy promotion with a decent territory to run in. It became Extreme Championship Wrestling and a major phenomenon under Paul's direction. He could accomplish the same thing in TNA if given the chance, but I don't see the Jarretts or Russo giving him that chance.

I imagine the same could be said of CZW. I kinda doubt Danzig (isn't he the owner? or is it Zandig? ) would give up much of his control over his product.

I hear Heyman may actually be done with wrestling and moving on to MMA. If so, power to him and I hope he succeeds, but it's a real sad comment on the state of professional wrestling (*coughMcnopolycoughcough*) that someone so passionate and optimistic could be driven away.

Personally, I'd like to see him in TNA, but I don't see it happening, for the same reasons I've mentioned.

[Chuckie Finster]

Paul Heyman booking HUSTLE would be six shades of awesomeness. It might be different for the Japanese fans, but he could make it work. If he can get Brian Lee over, he can make HUSTLE work.

And it's "Zandig"

[DeadManFan13]

So anyone have more info on Heyman's MMA project? Was he planning to book fighters? Was he going to create stories behind the fights? Could O'Haire, Lesner, or Sapp be in the mix?

[vinniemac]

Could Heyman take over the Gagne's dynasty?

Not bloody likely.

A.) no capital under the "AWA" that exists today.

B.) Since WWE owns all of the footage from the library: no lineage to work from. At best, it'd be like the NWA title today. It has less meaning than the company owning it: TNA.

C.) Heyman wouldn't be able to make enough money to support his family by working for a po-dunk, almost not-there version of the AWA. Unlike the "NWA" run by Dennis Corluzzo back when NWA-EASTERN started out - there's less organization and throwing down an AWA title once some fed is established would be incredibly counter-productive on Heyman's part.

D.) It's worth repeating: NO money there to start it off right. After the WWECW Heyman proved it's his family first and credibility or reinventing the business come a distant second.

This is a very left-field pipedream.

I heard Heyman before getting put into ECW, he was on the way out and was going to go into a MMA project like PRIDE or something of the sort.

You heard net dirtsheets mention this.

For further reference, remember how Heyman promised this ECW was going to be "a little of the old but something new and different," Well, he was bluffing then, too. So, if he did make the MMA remark, well: bluff-a-roonie.

I'd be more intrested with Heyman/CZW

Now that'd be good

No, it'd be horrible. Kind of like current CZW shows.

Does Cornette hate Heyman? I don't remember hearing either way. After both were screwed by Vince (I still have my doubts about Heyman being gone though) you'd think they could work together to try and stick it to him

I too think this is an elaborate work on WWE's part. Heyman NEVER goes quietly. NEVER. He's also smart enough to try and work the same people Vince McLameass would pin the blame on hurting his basatardized version of ECW: the "internet."

Perhaps having Heyman "gone from the company," would finally scare off interest from that dreaded "internet" and thats that?

The folks in McMahonville are THAT DUMB to think that such an idea could be workable.

Until Heyman shows up elsewhere - he's still with the company. His contract expires 'round Febraury or so... Let's see if he doesn't opt out for another year of sitting at home, spending time with his family, and raking in over 50, 000 grand a year to watch WWE product and send notes to the office that get ignored. He did it once. He probably would do it again.

Corny's not a big fan of Heyman. I think they could put aside their differences to work together, though.

They arleady did once: OVW, which Cornette is still partial owner of (alongside Danny Davis). Cornette also worked for ECW briefly back in the day (as on-air talent). I think the men actually like each other, contrary to public posturing that works people to believe otherwise. Heyman is the superior booker, but Heyman owes much to Cornette regarding the Paul E. character he fashioned down in Memphis (which was to fill in for Cornette having moved on to WCW, at the time).

EDIT: But I am truly hoping this news about Heyman is false.

I'm not. WWE need to be put to pasture. They can't book for crap, and the one man working for them who can - they abuse. F'em. I hope it's true and I hope Heyman ends up in TNA and they kill the WWE over the next five years.

I wouldn't mind him working with Gabe in ROH.
If TNA signed him he could really turn the company around into the 1 promotion in the us.

That would be odd: Heyman's former protege being his boss. Funny. If Heyman turns out a free agent, I wouldn't be shocked to see Paul E. the manager make a return to "manage" the top heel in a ROH program. I don't think both minds could coexist under one company. Sapolsky is considered less diplomatic than Heyman and more of a baby - prone to fits and petty punishments on talent. Paul E. simply lies - but does not forget to make everyone feel like they're worth something. ECW's "punishments" were simply to not book you. ROH is to try and ruin your career/credibility on the entire North East indy scene.

I agree. Heyman in TNA would turn the company around 100000%. Several top WWE names would jump ship and take pay cuts in a NY minute if he was head booker there. He'd be the "William Wallace" to wound the McMahons.

So does Paul E. go to TNA? I'm sure they will pick him up and then we'll have an angle where Paul E. will rip on Vince every week and declare "war" on them too along with VKM and nobody is really going to care. Been there, done that.

A.) Don't be so sure.

B.) So what, if he did?

C.) I'm "Sure" you'd be wrong.

Unlike the never-was' of B. G. James and Monty Sopp, Heyman has clout in the wrestling community, amongst fans, and has a track record of creating draws and putting companies on the map. He also has legitimate beefs with the WWE and the ability to put them into promos that few in the business could rival. If given total control over booking - he'd have a stellar show to back him up (not hard to do, given how WWE are now on 1993 levels of bad) with great, young talent, and a loyal audience (shades of old ECW) and a company wit ha stable relationship with the network (unlike ECW).

D.) Russo wouldn't be booking it - so it'd all make sense and work itself out.

E.) You can return to your Monday/Tuesday/Friday viewing schedule.

I also don't think TNA would give Heyman any real control. You'll have Corny, Russo, and Heyman all in one room. The world will blow up with the 3 egos in that room!

You're definitely out of the picture on how TNA is run. Jim Cornette has ZERO - and I mean ZERO - input on the booking. So that's one person out of the room.

But, to further prove you wrong - Cornette and Heyman have worked together several times throughout the years, and most recently - when Heyman was booking Cornette & Davis' OVW in 2005.

So, Cornette doesn't even have the pencil in TNA (which, as of today - he doesn't even have a crayon, let alone access to something resembling a pencil) and this is a NON FACTOR.

RUSSO IS EXPENDIBLE. Remember his first two runs at booking TNA? The Carters may be foolish (like hiring him again) but they aren't stupid (like keeping him on when he can barely draw a 1 rating). Heyman's credentials outshadow Russo's self-proclaimed (and rarely correct) "accomplishments."