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Post by vinniemac on Dec 6, 2006 17:09:35 GMT -5
Team 3-D did it once, maybe twice - tops. Rhino had his one shot.
VKM - well, it's all they have, since everything else they've done with them has FAILED.
Inversely, ECW did the same thing back in the day. It can still work, so long as the peopole booking it and the people cutting the promos have actual clout.
B. G. James and Billy Gunn never drew a dime as singles or as a team. In WWE, nor in TNA. When you have Vince Russo scripting it - you have crap.
Now, take people who got f'd over by WWE legit, like the Dudleys and Paul Heyman and Shane Douglas - then you have something.
Get back to the topic once you get more wrestling viewing history under your belt. Lumping the Brian James/Monty Sopp monstrosity with the others immediately invalidates your observation.
You are correct, Spankymac.
I would. He is still under WWE contract as a performer and booker. He needs their permission.
No, it wouldn't. You fail to understand Heyman and ROH, since the fans who created ROH and supported it were the very people Heyman rallied together for ECW. No casual WWE fan will turn to ROH just because Heyman shows up. If the actual action supplied over the last 5 years didn't do it, what would Heyman walking in do?
Right on, JMA.
that would be TNA. The others - good luck. They don't have TV in the U. S. ROH - Gabe would kill the company before sacrificing creative . PWG - no money to lure Heyman in. 1PW - in England - an unknown commodity outside of that very, very small market (and still relatively unknown to casual fans there).
This is about as "realistic" (read: NOT) as the AWA or CZW pipedreams mentioned earlier in the thread.
Let's see; nationwide t. v. and a good relationship with the network - TNA HAS IT.
Great, young talent over like grover: TNA HAS IT.
Strong, stable financial backing - TNA HAS IT.
Paul Heyman away from the books - TNA HAS IT.
Passionate, loyal fans - TNA HAS IT.
For historic reference, take a look at Heyman's work in a fed called NWA-EASTERN, and on a little show called SMACKDOWN!, which he took from WWE's lowest numbers post- "Attitude Era," and made the #1 show until Vince killed it by ousting him for Steff in the big seat, and by insisting he (Vince) appear on the program often. Ratings sank...
Get back to me when you learn more about wrestling history to flesh out your opinion on the matter. I bet it'd be a lot different than what I've quoted.
Take a step back from the internet and travel back to the time when SMACKDOWN! was drawing in more fans than RAW less than a few years ago. Who was booking SD!? That's right: Paul Heyman.
WWE "fans" are hardly "smart," let alone "smarks."
Scott Levy is the worst booker on the planet, second only to anyone with the fmaily name "McMahon."
Fact.
Here's reality: Raven can only book Raven, and even now - it's tired, old, regurgitated Raven and that's why he's no longer a main eventer, nor should he ever be again.
Besides being overrated, his actual booking work is overstated on this forum.
Scott Levy "booked" ECW breifly upon his return from WCW. He worked alongside Tommy Dreamer, Heyman and Lance Storm. According to Dreamer, Storm and Levy - his total time "booking" ECW was less than a few months, and in that time - ECW was struggling to stay afloat.
Don't confuse Raven the performer and Raven the b. s. artist with what Raven actually brought to ECW as a booker.
Reality & pro wrestling history: two beautiful things to get to know, people!
Probably, since Heyman yanked him from booking ECW, and since calling him out for the ideas he (Heyman) had for Raven's character, which Raven claims were his own (they were not).
That's like saying, "Elvis in a fifteenth rate, teenaged Elvis cover band playing in a basement would be a great fit to me."
Worth repeating.
HUSTLE, like early 90s WCW and WWF - represents EVERYTHING Heyman hates about wrestling. Then again, so do WWE.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Dec 6, 2006 17:50:28 GMT -5
Regarding the whole "He can't appear at ROH because he's under contract" thin. Do you really think a pissed off Paul Heyman would ask permission? It'd actually could work to his benefit if he's wanting to go to TNA or start an MMA project.
And at least HUSTLE can have some really good and solid workers while doing their crazy gimmicks. I honestly think Heyman would at least respect that.
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 6, 2006 18:02:02 GMT -5
Regarding the whole "He can't appear at ROH because he's under contract" thin. Do you really think a pissed off Paul Heyman would ask permission? It'd actually could work to his benefit if he's wanting to go to TNA or start an MMA project. He's got a wife and two kids. HE can't afford a McLawsuit about "breech of contract." Really. Think about it.
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Post by JMA on Dec 7, 2006 7:54:59 GMT -5
When did Heyman get married?
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Post by Vice Squad: Strong Style on Dec 7, 2006 10:23:16 GMT -5
vinniemac, great post. to be honest, heyman has probably ridden the horse as far as it can go. he's done pretty much everything there is to do in the business, and you'd have to imagine the guy is tired of having the rug pulled out from under him. as far as tna is concerned.... i'm not real convinced that he would really be motivated enough to do the legwork to turn it around. and i am not sure the carters are quite willing to go the the lengths that heyman would.
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Post by hollywood on Dec 7, 2006 11:45:36 GMT -5
vinniemac makes a good post. especially since he agreed with me ;D
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Post by -Lithium- on Dec 7, 2006 13:58:02 GMT -5
Besides the whole your opinion is wrong thing and mine is...lmao "FACT"... Seriously, nothing more annoying then people saying "FACT." at the end of they're opinions. Anyway, Heyman in TNA would be awesome, they are pretty much at the level ECW was when they were on TNN, only Spike is actually happy with and advertising TNA, and TNA has alot more star power, so it would be even better for him...
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Post by peopleschamp on Dec 8, 2006 16:34:37 GMT -5
If its all real with Heyman going then him going to TNA would be ideal, and would probably serve as TNA's best shot at creating a viable and sustainable opposition to WWE.
Having Heyman at TNA with someone else balancing the books might just might be the thing that wrestling needs.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Dec 8, 2006 22:42:43 GMT -5
Ive allways liked AWA more then TNA anyways. So Haymen there is cool
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Post by -Lithium- on Dec 8, 2006 22:49:32 GMT -5
Well hopefully when his WWE contract expires he'll go to TNA...
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Post by default on Dec 9, 2006 0:11:34 GMT -5
I agree Heyman and TNA would be the best match if he were leaving WWE and continuing in wrestling. According to New Jack and other sources, Heyman only gets paid roughly $50k a year (or at least was), so that noone who owed him money could sue him. Not sure if that's still the case since WWE bought ECW or not.
Oh, and not to offend... but besides a set up TV and PPV deal that TNA has... great relations with Spike and a free building every week, CZW and ROH to a degree are too niched. It's been argued that ECW didn't succeed at a national level because it was too extreme as a niche, despite Heyman showing tons of styles of wrestling (hardcore, technical, lucha, hard hitting, tag teams, etc.) I'm not typecasting CZW as garbage wrestling or ROH as solely technical, but TNA has the best "all around" style around. Plus all those other benefits and a handful of "names" even if they aren't Hogan-Austin-Rock draws.
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Post by vinniemac on Dec 9, 2006 0:39:57 GMT -5
Besides the whole your opinion is wrong thing and mine is...lmao "FACT"... Seriously, nothing more annoying then people saying "FACT." at the end of they're opinions. If the truth (i. e. reality) bothers you, then so be it. That's a FACT.
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Post by LARIATOOO! on Dec 9, 2006 4:47:14 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Dec 9, 2006 14:11:11 GMT -5
''In 1996 former AWA workers Dale Gagne (actually Gagner) and Jonnie Stewart relicensed the AWA name in the state of Minnesota and the AWA opened up as an independent promotion called AWA Superstars of Wrestling. On April 4, 2005, the owners changed its history books and named Hulk Hogan a two time AWA World Heavyweight Champion. Also in 2005, Gagne began to franchise the AWA name, selling memberships to existing independent promotions around the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, and Japan. Several members of the new AWA are former members of the National Wrestling Alliance.
Currently, all copyrights and footage for the AWA prior to the formation of AWA Superstars of Wrestling are owned by World Wrestling Entertainment.''
Source: Wikipedia
Just so people don't confuse the AWA owned by Vinnie Mac with the AWA Heyman just signed for
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 14:12:11 GMT -5
Doesn't this company have a history of lying to draw attention to itself?
Almost positive I've seen them do stuff like this before......unless I'm thinking of another company
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Post by eJm on Dec 9, 2006 14:15:58 GMT -5
Doesn't this company have a history of lying to draw attention to itself? Almost positive I've seen them do stuff like this before......unless I'm thinking of another company Maybe TNT Wrestling with the 'Midth' but I don't really know much about the new AWA, I dunno.
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Post by BlackHoleMark on Dec 9, 2006 14:47:41 GMT -5
Their roster page also has Bret Hart, A-Train, Hulk Hogan, and many other people who I'm pretty sure don't wrestle for them.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Dec 9, 2006 14:55:41 GMT -5
Their roster page also has Bret Hart, A-Train, Hulk Hogan, and many other people who I'm pretty sure don't wrestle for them. It also has Scott Hall and Hacksaw in their. Odd that Hacksaw would be wrestling for the AWA while still making regular appearances on Raw Actually I think the bio page may just list wrestlers who have wrestled for the company in the past, so they can really get the AWA legacy feeling across. If not than, yeah the roster page is bullshit.
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Post by JMA on Dec 10, 2006 17:20:53 GMT -5
In regards to Heyman going to TNA: I'm a little worried that the old school, redneck (like Dutch Mantell and Jeff Jarrett) bookers might sabotage him there. Plus, he's said some bad things about TNA in the past.
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Post by TJStheGreat on Dec 11, 2006 1:20:50 GMT -5
In regards to Heyman going to TNA: I'm a little worried that the old school, redneck (like Dutch Mantell and Jeff Jarrett) bookers might sabotage him there. Plus, he's said some bad things about TNA in the past. Maybe so, but if they really want to compete with the E (and as wrestling fans we all want that simply for better product on both ends ie Monday Night Wars) then Heyman might be there best choice. They already got Kurt Angle in the ring now have Paul E booking and making TV apperances and it might give TNA the jolt it needs to get more attention, exp from the residents of MacLand. Than again I could be wrong...
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