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Post by Rave on Oct 23, 2013 18:41:39 GMT -5
Chris Daniels is 43 and weighs probably under 200 pounds... For f***'s sake dude the man wasn't even suggesting giving Daniels a title run for the sake of the future, he literally just meant for him to get a thank you reign and then close down the company with him as champ. Which makes perfect sense to me. Let it rest. You have a strong against the grain opinion on Chris Daniels and thats fine and you have a right to express it when appropriate and I even see where you're coming from with it usually but this just wasn't the time or place to express it. Its like you just saw "Daniels" and "TNA Champ" and commented without actually looking at the context at all. Actually a girl, but yeah, that's what I was going for. If TNA must close, give Daniels a proper thank you for every bit of crap he's put up with and go out on a high note. If not closing, give him that proper thank you anyway and then let him make whoever he drops the title to look like a million bucks in the process. It's not like he has to be champ for that long, though if a few months or so of buildup can be had in having the heir apparent go through EGO first, that would work quite well, I think. Would make the switch mean a bit more when it happens.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 23, 2013 22:59:17 GMT -5
For f***'s sake dude the man wasn't even suggesting giving Daniels a title run for the sake of the future, he literally just meant for him to get a thank you reign and then close down the company with him as champ. Which makes perfect sense to me. Let it rest. You have a strong against the grain opinion on Chris Daniels and thats fine and you have a right to express it when appropriate and I even see where you're coming from with it usually but this just wasn't the time or place to express it. Its like you just saw "Daniels" and "TNA Champ" and commented without actually looking at the context at all. Actually a girl, but yeah, that's what I was going for. If TNA must close, give Daniels a proper thank you for every bit of crap he's put up with and go out on a high note. If not closing, give him that proper thank you anyway and then let him make whoever he drops the title to look like a million bucks in the process. It's not like he has to be champ for that long, though if a few months or so of buildup can be had in having the heir apparent go through EGO first, that would work quite well, I think. Would make the switch mean a bit more when it happens. I literally thought as I wrote that "that post was probably made by a girl just to cosmically punish me for not checking".
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 23, 2013 23:47:03 GMT -5
No punches or anything No violence wrestling The guys solve their issues via sitcom situations Violence becomes cartoony as they cut to comercial when vilence happens. Then match ends via 3-count Yeah, because that's the only way to book PG-rated wrestling The thing about a Disney run wrestling promotion is are y'all really prepared for a truly PG wrestling product. No blood. No swearing. No over the top violence. No overt sexuality. The writers being from It's A Laugh Productions. Basically Saturday Morning Slam with non-stop Eric Young type antics. I see how much flack WWE get for being PG. Think about how well this will go over with the 18-25 crowd. Kids would love this though. Swearing is cheap heat. Blood is no substitute for compelling storytelling. One of the worst elements of the Attitude Era in the WWF was the sleazy sexual elements. I don't miss that at all. WWF was family friendly during the Hulkamania years and it was a million times better than anything since.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 23, 2013 23:52:29 GMT -5
No punches or anything No violence wrestling The guys solve their issues via sitcom situations Violence becomes cartoony as they cut to comercial when vilence happens. Then match ends via 3-count Watch Chikara....people love that promotion which would do that goofy stuff.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 23, 2013 23:54:52 GMT -5
If TNA goes down, WWE stops having to try. If you want to know how that ends up, watch some 2001 WWE. Sad thing is, WWE has stopped trying for a while. TNA isn't even on their radar anymore and are just a mosquito now.
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Post by psychokiller on Oct 24, 2013 0:03:48 GMT -5
I think what they should do is obviously not re-sign Hogan for one. He costs way too much, when they could be spending that money on younger talent, especially the women, who arguably draw the most for the company. Hogan as a non-wrestler does absolutely nothing for the company on a week to week basis. If Hogan were to stay he should just made sporadic appearances, maybe even just once a month, it would be a lot better & make his appearances more special. They can just pay him per appearance instead of some huge salary.
They should do 1 on the road location for Impact a month instead of 2. That'll keep costs down a bit, but still be better than being in the same place every week. If they go back to 1 location every single week, it's going to kill the show since it'll be almost the same fans week in & week out. It needs a fresh environment every so often. Also, do less house shows because their house show numbers are terrible for the most part. It's not worth spending money if hardly anyone is even going to show up to those shows.
They need to hire some new women on the roster. Since history shows that the women are the ones who usually draw the biggest ratings for the company. They only have about 5 or 6 women now, which is sad. They used to have a huge talent of women on the show, but they all got released.
That's at least a few things they should do to improve a bit.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Oct 24, 2013 1:43:33 GMT -5
If Disney ever buys a wrestling promotion its going to be WWE after Vince is gone. Getting TNA would be like instead of getting Marvel they purchase Image Comics or not getting Star Wars but the Stargate franchise. Both decent, but one is Star Wars, Marvel and WWE ones that are ingrained deep in the American pop culture, and the others Stargate, Image and TNA are niche ones that have some bright spots but are no where near the other group.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 24, 2013 2:09:25 GMT -5
I know one thing for certain, if Disney had their own wrestling company, this would piss all over WWE's signature intro...
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Oct 24, 2013 4:00:00 GMT -5
I honestly don't know.
There is still part of me that wants TNA to succeed but lets face it under the current management they are doomed to remain a third string bush league promotion no matter who they sign or what they do.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 24, 2013 10:10:05 GMT -5
I feel your pain, ICBM. I know it might be a pipe dream but I wished Disney would buy TNA and do a complete overhaul of the promotion. Change the name, fire the deadweight and cancer, hire people who know what they are doing, and change the tv content. Basically, work the Disney magic. A wrestling promotion that is family friendly would excel in their corporate brand. That....isn't too bad an idea. If Disney handled TNA with the balanced approach they do with Marvel properties (i.e, not doing much aside from removing some of the more risque content, giving Impact and its stars stronger promotion), it would be the best thing that ever happened to them.
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Post by percymania on Oct 25, 2013 21:33:13 GMT -5
I'm all for TNA dying if it would make room for a new, better-managed wrestling company to step up and take its place as the #2 company.
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Post by Malcolm on Oct 25, 2013 21:39:20 GMT -5
Actually, I think TNA dying would actually drive people away from trying to compete on WWE's level. ROH would just become the #2 company, but the gap would look really bad...
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Post by Glitch on Oct 25, 2013 22:38:07 GMT -5
If Disney buys a wrestling company, the way it will be handled depends on the era. Had Disney bought a wrestling company during them monday night wars, it would have been aimed at teenagers and young adults. If they buy a wrestling company now during the wwe's PG era, you can bet the show would be aimed at kids and tweens. With plenty of crossovers with Disney channel stars and musical performances by Taylor Swift and such. Plus I'm sure the wrestling would be so safe that it'd make current wwe look like ECW.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 26, 2013 1:52:22 GMT -5
If Disney buys a wrestling company, the way it will be handled depends on the era. Had Disney bought a wrestling company during them monday night wars, it would have been aimed at teenagers and young adults. If they buy a wrestling company now during the wwe's PG era, you can bet the show would be aimed at kids and tweens. With plenty of crossovers with Disney channel stars and musical performances by Taylor Swift and such. Plus I'm sure the wrestling would be so safe that it'd make current wwe look like ECW. wouldn't it make more sense for them to try to reach out to the audience thats not already being pretty heavily tapped rather than try to take that market away from the WWE? Not that I don't think Disney could probably pretty successfully steal a bunch of WWE's youth audience if they did it that way though. Maybe then WWE would panic and be the ones to try to appeal to the older crowd. Either way I'd think one company would end up appealing to a different market than the other in the long run. It would be a way different situation than the Monday Night Wars was I think. But this is all theoretical so who knows.
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Post by saintpat on Oct 26, 2013 2:20:19 GMT -5
The problem with sell it is ... no one would be foot enough to buy it.
When you buy a company, they go over the books with a fine-toothed comb. They would see exactly what TNA is making or losing, what the loss margin is on doing shows on the road, what the PPV buy rates are (actually what they aren't), etc. They would surely conclude that they could buy a few McDonald's franchises or taco stands and have a much greater return on investment.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 26, 2013 5:19:22 GMT -5
I'm all for TNA dying if it would make room for a new, better-managed wrestling company to step up and take its place as the #2 company. It won't though, there is plenty of space in the wrestling biz for a well run alternative to TNA to emerge, but it hasn't because running a small wrestling company is a hard, thankless job where even the more successful ones are a couple of bad shows from being in trouble and TNA going under will only make it harder for any company trying to fill the gap to get any sort of foothold. Spike will dedicate what little resources it was giving to TNA to Bellator and no other major network will touch wrestling, because lets face it, they're not lining up to televise indies now... And the same will be said of financial backers. No startup wrestling company has ever provided a decent return on investment over the long term, TNA, post Hogan, is a money pit for Panda, WCW ended up losing millions for Turner/Warner, Smokey Mountain collapsed despite Rick Rubin's backing, WWA went under despite the backing of a major concert promoter and so on and so forth. And, lets not forget that none of the other wrestling companies founded at the same time as TNA are anywhere close in terms of size, RoH are now tied to a string of small TV stations, Chikara are possibly defunct, PWG are pretty much the same size they always were and so on and so forth. RoH will take TNA's place as #2 promotion by default, which won't be because of any actual growth, but because the previous occupant of that slot was hit by a red and yellow bus.
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Post by SOR on Oct 26, 2013 5:58:16 GMT -5
The problem with sell it is ... no one would be foot enough to buy it. When you buy a company, they go over the books with a fine-toothed comb. They would see exactly what TNA is making or losing, what the loss margin is on doing shows on the road, what the PPV buy rates are (actually what they aren't), etc. They would surely conclude that they could buy a few McDonald's franchises or taco stands and have a much greater return on investment. Not really. Hypothetically lets say you're a TV Station and you see that TNA draws between 0.8-1.1. You can tape the shows and everybody works pretty cheap and your overhead is pretty low. Some TV Stations throw a lot more money in for a 1.0 rating then what it costs to produce TNA.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 26, 2013 8:52:49 GMT -5
If Disney buys a wrestling company, the way it will be handled depends on the era. Had Disney bought a wrestling company during them monday night wars, it would have been aimed at teenagers and young adults. If they buy a wrestling company now during the wwe's PG era, you can bet the show would be aimed at kids and tweens. With plenty of crossovers with Disney channel stars and musical performances by Taylor Swift and such. Plus I'm sure the wrestling would be so safe that it'd make current wwe look like ECW. I doubt it. They know that the audience for Taylor Swift will be very different to that for wrestling. That being said, most of wrestling can fit comfortably inside a PG rating which allows for "moderate violence" which wrestling tends to be for the most part. The more intense violence seen in wrestling such as chairshots to the head, blood, barbed wire etc...is all passe anyway. Wrestling IS safe when done properly and when the sillier "stunt" type elements are avoided, which they should be anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 4:22:56 GMT -5
After watching Impact this week, I have changed my opinion.
Just scrap it. The AJ Styles angle is pathetic.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Oct 27, 2013 6:35:36 GMT -5
Although he expects it to be denied to high heaven. Meltzer this morning says the Carters want to sell TNA and there are changes being made in terms of TNA's ownership as we speak.
Meltzer didn't say yes or no whether Bischoff would be interested.
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