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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 27, 2014 1:35:41 GMT -5
I know the government is going to f*** me with taxes. Doesn't mean I have to like it. No, but that's like getting your tax notice and freaking out about it heavily at that moment despite knowing it for a while. It's really more like being in a tax haven for 4 years, and a great many alternate funding methods have been created and pitched with quite a bit of success in that time, and your Government then deciding to go back to the old outdated Tax Code that worked fairly well at one point. People being excited when the notice came a week ago and deciding to keep it despite a real push for investing in American Samoa or the Pacific Northwest. Despite a large portion of the tax base voting loudly and holding numerous impromptu protests for those very alternatives. This Tax Code however is being pushed thru due to the ruling party realistically being an oligarchical dictatorial semi-hereditary line rather than the oddly borderline incompetent Corporate face that they show publicly. (It's amazing how far someone can stretch a bad metaphor when it's surprisingly apt)
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 1:36:48 GMT -5
No, but that's like getting your tax notice and freaking out about it heavily at that moment despite knowing it for a while. Ya, but WWE is entertainment. They had to know how disastrous this would be received and could have called an audible or created a scenario to prevent the fallout they HAD to know was coming. People want to talk about everyone knowing Dave was going to win, and I agree. But by the same token, everyone knew and predicted that it would bomb and be viciously rejected. Nothing had to be in stone. If WWE was aware that in all likelihood their decision would be met with complete and utter contempt (and how could they not?), why go through with it anyway as is? That's why people are angry. The anger is coming from WWE ignoring them and being stubborn, right or wrong. How were they supposed to know what the crowd was going to be like? Batista got a good pop on Raw and drew a huge rating. Signs at that point should indicate that he'd also get a pop at the Rumble But still, should WWE then also ignore the millions of Cena fans who stay quiet too by pushing him down to the midcard since that's what the vocal minority seems to want?
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Post by DIIV on Jan 27, 2014 1:39:20 GMT -5
How were they supposed to know what the crowd was going to be like? Batista got a good pop on Raw and drew a huge rating. Signs at that point should indicate that he'd also get a pop at the Rumble It's almost as if you're admitting how stupid the WWE is.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 27, 2014 1:42:15 GMT -5
Ya, but WWE is entertainment. They had to know how disastrous this would be received and could have called an audible or created a scenario to prevent the fallout they HAD to know was coming. People want to talk about everyone knowing Dave was going to win, and I agree. But by the same token, everyone knew and predicted that it would bomb and be viciously rejected. Nothing had to be in stone. If WWE was aware that in all likelihood their decision would be met with complete and utter contempt (and how could they not?), why go through with it anyway as is? That's why people are angry. The anger is coming from WWE ignoring them and being stubborn, right or wrong. How were they supposed to know what the crowd was going to be like? Batista got a good pop on Raw and drew a huge rating. Signs at that point should indicate that he'd also get a pop at the Rumble But still, should WWE then also ignore the millions of Cena fans who stay quiet too by pushing him down to the midcard since that's what the vocal minority seems to want? They had to know which way the wind was blowing during Cena and Orton. They should have called an audible. Even if that audible was a creative way to at least get the heat off Batista, and have Bryan eliminated by someone who'll set up a Mania program. It doesn't negate all negative reaction, but just having him not be in it was DUMB and accomplished a much worse and unsatisfying ending. And this is not an isolated incident. Fans will wreck WrestleMania, too.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 1:42:50 GMT -5
How were they supposed to know what the crowd was going to be like? Batista got a good pop on Raw and drew a huge rating. Signs at that point should indicate that he'd also get a pop at the Rumble It's almost as if you're admitting how stupid the WWE is. You mean WWE should be considered stupid for not expecting Pittsburgh to do what they did with Orton/Cena when that didn't happen at TLC and to boo the shit out of Batista when that didn't happen on Raw? How were they supposed to know what the crowd was going to be like? Batista got a good pop on Raw and drew a huge rating. Signs at that point should indicate that he'd also get a pop at the Rumble But still, should WWE then also ignore the millions of Cena fans who stay quiet too by pushing him down to the midcard since that's what the vocal minority seems to want? They had to know which way the wind was blowing during Cena and Orton. They should have called an audible. Even if that audible was a creative way to at least get the heat off Batista, and have Bryan eliminated by someone who'll set up a Mania program. It doesn't negate all negative reaction, but just having him not be in it was DUMB and accomplished a much worse and unsatisfying ending. And this is not an isolated incident. Fans will wreck WrestleMania, too. Bryan could have been in the Rumble and eliminated 27 other people, got eliminated by Miz, who then got eliminated by Batista and the crowd would still have booed it since it wasn't Bryan winning. Anything less than that would have gotten the boos. And the whole "Mania's gonna get wrecked" too thing just isn't right. The damn New Jersey crowd last year is now ruining shows since everyone's now copying them with their whole "chant for the most random shit during matches" stuff that they decided to do
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 27, 2014 1:45:41 GMT -5
Ya, but WWE is entertainment. They had to know how disastrous this would be received and could have called an audible or created a scenario to prevent the fallout they HAD to know was coming. People want to talk about everyone knowing Dave was going to win, and I agree. But by the same token, everyone knew and predicted that it would bomb and be viciously rejected. Nothing had to be in stone. If WWE was aware that in all likelihood their decision would be met with complete and utter contempt (and how could they not?), why go through with it anyway as is? That's why people are angry. The anger is coming from WWE ignoring them and being stubborn, right or wrong. How were they supposed to know what the crowd was going to be like? Batista got a good pop on Raw and drew a huge rating. Signs at that point should indicate that he'd also get a pop at the Rumble But still, should WWE then also ignore the millions of Cena fans who stay quiet too by pushing him down to the midcard since that's what the vocal minority seems to want? An entire Arena full of people Chanted Along with Bryan, he gets pops from crowds on shows he's not even ON. Signs at that point should indicate that he'd also get a pop at the Rumble.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 27, 2014 1:50:35 GMT -5
It's almost as if you're admitting how stupid the WWE is. You mean WWE should be considered stupid for not expecting Pittsburgh to do what they did with Orton/Cena when that didn't happen at TLC and to boo the shit out of Batista when that didn't happen on Raw? They had to know which way the wind was blowing during Cena and Orton. They should have called an audible. Even if that audible was a creative way to at least get the heat off Batista, and have Bryan eliminated by someone who'll set up a Mania program. It doesn't negate all negative reaction, but just having him not be in it was DUMB and accomplished a much worse and unsatisfying ending. And this is not an isolated incident. Fans will wreck WrestleMania, too. Bryan could have been in the Rumble and eliminated 27 other people, got eliminated by Miz, who then got eliminated by Batista and the crowd would still have booed it since it wasn't Bryan winning. Anything less than that would have gotten the boos. And the whole "Mania's gonna get wrecked" too thing just isn't right. The damn New Jersey crowd last year is now ruining shows since everyone's now copying them with their whole "chant for the most random shit during matches" stuff that they decided to do People are chanting for "Random Shit" because they're disgusted with what's being presented to them. For far too long we (Or at least the IWC) have complained that crowds are silent, or at least not responding to the action in the ring. The crowd is responding now, it's responding with open rebellion for what they dislike. They've paid their way in, and they're voicing their displeasure (and pleasure when appropriate) with the product in a manner that WWE approves of. I'd rather have a crowd that shits on a poor showing than one that doesn't react at all.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 27, 2014 1:54:14 GMT -5
We're back to the 'rebellion' and 'revolution' talk?
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 1:54:16 GMT -5
You mean WWE should be considered stupid for not expecting Pittsburgh to do what they did with Orton/Cena when that didn't happen at TLC and to boo the shit out of Batista when that didn't happen on Raw? Bryan could have been in the Rumble and eliminated 27 other people, got eliminated by Miz, who then got eliminated by Batista and the crowd would still have booed it since it wasn't Bryan winning. Anything less than that would have gotten the boos. And the whole "Mania's gonna get wrecked" too thing just isn't right. The damn New Jersey crowd last year is now ruining shows since everyone's now copying them with their whole "chant for the most random shit during matches" stuff that they decided to do People are chanting for "Random Shit" because they're disgusted with what's being presented to them. For far too long we (Or at least the IWC) have complained that crowds are silent, or at least not responding to the action in the ring. The crowd is responding now, it's responding with open rebellion for what they dislike. They've paid their way in, and they're voicing their displeasure (and pleasure when appropriate) with the product in a manner that WWE approves of. I'd rather have a crowd that shits on a poor showing than one that doesn't react at all. But are they shitting on it because it's "poor" or because they only want 1 specific thing? To me, tonight would be as if you bought tickets to see a line up of comedians that included Dave Chappelle and for whatever reason, Chappelle couldn't make it. Chappelle was then replaced by Chris Rock and instead of listening to his jokes, the crowd started to heckle him and chat random things, ruining his act. Your favorite comedian is Chappelle, but you still shouldn't be heckling the guy who's taking the place you feel like he should be in just because he's not Chappelle. Yes there is a difference in the circumstances, but it's still a matter of ruining a show just because you wanted something else
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 2:00:07 GMT -5
People are chanting for "Random Shit" because they're disgusted with what's being presented to them. For far too long we (Or at least the IWC) have complained that crowds are silent, or at least not responding to the action in the ring. The crowd is responding now, it's responding with open rebellion for what they dislike. They've paid their way in, and they're voicing their displeasure (and pleasure when appropriate) with the product in a manner that WWE approves of. I'd rather have a crowd that shits on a poor showing than one that doesn't react at all. But are they shitting on it because it's "poor" or because they only want 1 specific thing? To me, tonight would be as if you bought tickets to see a line up of comedians that included Dave Chappelle and for whatever reason, Chappelle couldn't make it. Chappelle was then replaced by Chris Rock and instead of listening to his jokes, the crowd started to heckle him and chat random things, ruining his act. Your favorite comedian is Chappelle, but you still shouldn't be heckling the guy who's taking the place you feel like he should be in just because he's not Chappelle. Yes there is a difference in the circumstances, but it's still a matter of ruining a show just because you wanted something else So, what, are people just not supposed to have hopes for the future? The public has spoken, and they want Daniel Bryan as WWE Champion. Maybe that won't happen, fine, but why should they pretend to be happy with what they're getting instead? It's a little like if someone went to go see the Devil Inside, and afterward came away from it saying, "Yeah, I was disappointed when at the end of the second act they suddenly get in a car wreck and die and that's the end of the movie, but I guess that's the story they wanted to tell and I applaud them." It's freaking stupid.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 2:03:04 GMT -5
But are they shitting on it because it's "poor" or because they only want 1 specific thing? To me, tonight would be as if you bought tickets to see a line up of comedians that included Dave Chappelle and for whatever reason, Chappelle couldn't make it. Chappelle was then replaced by Chris Rock and instead of listening to his jokes, the crowd started to heckle him and chat random things, ruining his act. Your favorite comedian is Chappelle, but you still shouldn't be heckling the guy who's taking the place you feel like he should be in just because he's not Chappelle. Yes there is a difference in the circumstances, but it's still a matter of ruining a show just because you wanted something else So, what, are people just not supposed to have hopes for the future? The public has spoken, and they want Daniel Bryan as WWE Champion. Maybe that won't happen, fine, but why should they pretend to be happy with what they're getting instead? It's a little like if someone went to go see the Devil Inside, and afterward came away from it saying, "Yeah, I was disappointed when at the end of the second act they suddenly get in a car wreck and die and that's the end of the movie, but I guess that's the story they wanted to tell and I applaud them." It's freaking stupid. No but if you don't like the movie, you don't sit in the theater and start chants about how the actors suck and yelling "BORING" midway through the movie
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Post by goodbyehorses on Jan 27, 2014 2:10:18 GMT -5
The WWF forgot how to book a Bret Hart.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 27, 2014 2:10:40 GMT -5
My favourite part of the whole night - someone CLEARLY feeding Cole the line 'Batista saying "I'm going to Wrestlemania, DEAL WITH IT!"'
That's right fans, f*** you, we're wrong, the customer is always wrong. I'm not even a mark for Bryan, I'm just a mark for big crowd reactions and Bryan gets them and the fans haaaaaated all that. I really think they should've just called an audible and got Punk to win it instead.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 27, 2014 2:12:11 GMT -5
And the whole "Mania's gonna get wrecked" too thing just isn't right. The damn New Jersey crowd last year is now ruining shows since everyone's now copying them with their whole "chant for the most random shit during matches" stuff that they decided to do Good. It's justified this time. I hope they ruin WrestleMania. Will look good on WWE if they keep their stubborn course. I wish people would stop acting like Bryan's popularity is some insignificant subsection of smarks only. He's cheered everywhere. He had the biggest pop of the last 3 years on that RAW. He's in the same position other supersatars were in when they were fully launched. I'm tired of reading the monumentally moronic argument that no one would be satisfied unless Bryan "wins every title and Main events every show, blah, blah, blah". That's bullshit. I'll be satisfied when he main events the one that matters. I'll be satisfied when his popularity allows him the SAME f***ING OPPORTUNITIES THAT OTHERS IN HIS EXACT SAME POSITION WERE ALLOTTED. Batista wouldn't be a "star" and a "draw" if he wasn't booked strong and PROTECTED. He was nothing but a "popular guy" like Bryan in 2004 and 2005 until HHH and the company made him, protected him, and booked him as a world beater and superstar. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. That's how it always has. There are no exceptions. I'll be satisfied when Bryan gets the exact same chance to run with the ball and be as protected in said run as Cena was in his, Batista, Austin, etc. When he gets to be Champion at Mania and have his crowning moment that will be embraced by fans and not rejected like the alternative. You know, like said guys above who weren't just magically draws and were gifted belts because they were selling out arenas and moving ratings out of the hop. But I know now that no matter how much I try and explain this to trolls, imbeciles or contrarians, there will always be some annoying reaction that just keeps the same cliched argument going and going because deep down, regardless, they refuse to admit that they just don't think Bryan should get that chance for personal reasons, and not any other. Because, quite frankly, every counterpoint they've made has been picked apart, countered or obliterated by a great number of people on here.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Jan 27, 2014 2:12:16 GMT -5
So, what, are people just not supposed to have hopes for the future? The public has spoken, and they want Daniel Bryan as WWE Champion. Maybe that won't happen, fine, but why should they pretend to be happy with what they're getting instead? It's a little like if someone went to go see the Devil Inside, and afterward came away from it saying, "Yeah, I was disappointed when at the end of the second act they suddenly get in a car wreck and die and that's the end of the movie, but I guess that's the story they wanted to tell and I applaud them." It's freaking stupid. No but if you don't like the movie, you don't sit in the theater and start chants about how the actors suck and yelling "BORING" midway through the movie Yeah because the actors and the people that made the movie can't hear you.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 27, 2014 2:20:10 GMT -5
We're back to the 'rebellion' and 'revolution' talk? Ok...point taken there, it might be a bit grandiose language, but "rebellion" is really the first thing that came to mind. Not some epic idea, but more a flat refusal to accept what they've been given. [/quote]But are they shitting on it because it's "poor" or because they only want 1 specific thing? To me, tonight would be as if you bought tickets to see a line up of comedians that included Dave Chappelle and for whatever reason, Chappelle couldn't make it. Chappelle was then replaced by Chris Rock and instead of listening to his jokes, the crowd started to heckle him and chat random things, ruining his act. Your favorite comedian is Chappelle, but you still shouldn't be heckling the guy who's taking the place you feel like he should be in just because he's not Chappelle. Yes there is a difference in the circumstances, but it's still a matter of ruining a show just because you wanted something else[/quote] It is a difference in circumstances. WWE has done the same thing. The issue was NOT that Daniel Bryan couldn't make it, it was that the fans were clamoring for an encore and (the equivalent to) his Manager decided that he shouldn't have one, despite the fact that doing one would've been more memorable than what was given and led to those same fans returning for more shows. Fans chanting is part of wrestling. Reacting to the flow of the action, voicing their (dis)pleasure [Choose as appropriate], and basically reacting to the action in the ring. If you can't react to, go with the flow of, or win over the crowd, then to me you fail to connect. At least by reacting you've made SOME connection, whether that's Sympathetic(The reaction the performer wants) or Antipathetic (Opposite to expectation, but still a measurable reaction) either is better than an apathetic(Lit. No reaction) crowd. I've seen and been part of a mostly apathetic crowd. It was draining for me watching, I can only imagine how deathly silent it was to the folks in the ring. At least Batista winning GOT a reaction, but if WWE doesn't react to the fans' rejection of what was presented to them in the Rumble in some way, then, really they're doing everyone involved a disservice. From the Superstars and Divas that go out there, to the Fans themselves, because that to me is a statement that they'd rather have NO reaction from the fans than listen to them.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 27, 2014 2:24:46 GMT -5
So, what, are people just not supposed to have hopes for the future? The public has spoken, and they want Daniel Bryan as WWE Champion. Maybe that won't happen, fine, but why should they pretend to be happy with what they're getting instead? It's a little like if someone went to go see the Devil Inside, and afterward came away from it saying, "Yeah, I was disappointed when at the end of the second act they suddenly get in a car wreck and die and that's the end of the movie, but I guess that's the story they wanted to tell and I applaud them." It's freaking stupid. No but if you don't like the movie, you don't sit in the theater and start chants about how the actors suck and yelling "BORING" midway through the movie No, You get up, you leave the theater and don't support the filmmaker responsible if appropriate. You also tell people when they ask about the movie that you didn't like it. And....You went to see the movie because you WANTED to see THAT movie.
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Post by schma on Jan 27, 2014 2:41:36 GMT -5
A movie costs something like $10. A ticket to a PPV or even watching the PPV costs a lot more. I don't think displeasure at one is in the same league as displeasure at another. Also a movie isn't live so chanting would be pointless.
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Post by bootytea on Jan 27, 2014 2:59:43 GMT -5
Definitely the worst Royal Rumble I have ever seen.
Absolutely atrocious.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 3:11:51 GMT -5
Definitely the worst Royal Rumble I have ever seen. Absolutely atrocious. Eh, I wouldn't say that. It was far from the best ever or anything, and it'd be completely forgettable if it weren't for the crowd shitting all over it at the end, but it was better than 1999 or 2006.
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