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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 27, 2014 13:12:41 GMT -5
Nope. They have this situation because they have booked it that way. It's what happens when a wrestling company has no clear plan.
That's the problem. They have brought it upon themselves.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 27, 2014 13:20:28 GMT -5
The thing is, lonewolf, you don't NEED Cena or Orton in the Championship match. You could easily do Brock vs. Bryan, or even heel Batista vs. Bryan. Tow big ego behemoths that the underdog (Bryan) has to go through to finally get his just due. It f***in' writes itself.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 27, 2014 13:22:59 GMT -5
My favourite part of the whole night - someone CLEARLY feeding Cole the line 'Batista saying "I'm going to Wrestlemania, DEAL WITH IT!"' That's right fans, f*** you, we're wrong, the customer is always wrong. I'm not even a mark for Bryan, I'm just a mark for big crowd reactions and Bryan gets them and the fans haaaaaated all that. I really think they should've just called an audible and got Punk to win it instead. Here's the funny thing about the Rumble. I wasn't mad that Bryan wasn't in the Rumble. Because I thought they were gonna go the route of CM Punk overcoming the Authority and winning the Royal Rumble, almost like Stone Cold in 1999. At least make him one of the last two before screwing him over. To me, I thought they'd go the route of Batista/Del Rio for Wrestlemania, and then Punk/Orton for the WWE title, the way it was playing out. Then Undertaker/Cena for Wrestlemania as well. But no, that would make way too much sense.
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Post by machomuta on Jan 27, 2014 13:42:36 GMT -5
The fans are sick and tired of the same old shit. They've seen Cena vs Orton so many times, they've just had enough. They shouldnt have gone to the show then.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 27, 2014 13:47:14 GMT -5
The fans are sick and tired of the same old shit. They've seen Cena vs Orton so many times, they've just had enough. They shouldnt have gone to the show then. It's not the only thing on the show. One can go to a wrestling card, like some things and dislike others.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 27, 2014 14:08:13 GMT -5
You're tying yourself up in knots trying to make sense of WWE's convoluted, chaotic and assbackwards booking. This is part of the problem. What they needed to do was a clear and concise storyline which elevated Bryan. Something easy to follow and with a solid logical conclusion. Not tossing in different guys in crossbooked feuds and angles, thus leading to a post like this where you have to ponder which of four different guys have priority. I'm not saying their booking makes perfect sense, I'm saying that you work with what you have and when you pretty much have one main event heel, you can't have the same guy face him 20 times in a row, especially if you're building up to a WrestleMania match where someone finally dethrones his long reign. They already did 3 months worth of Orton vs. Bryan, meaning to give Bryan the title you either have to: A. Throw away the months of Randy Orton storyline that you've been building up for just so Bryan can win the title off of someone different. Or B. Have Daniel Bryan face Randy Orton again, meaning you just spent 7 months building up Orton just to lose to the same guy he already faced 10 times over the last year. Like Eddie Guerrero got screwed over by JBL in 2004, but we didn't keep coming back saying Guerrero had to be the one who beat JBL for the title at WrestleMania since that would just be a waste of a long storyline. Whether you feel Batista is the right guy to do it is one thing, but I've sat through Randy Orton's heel tactics for the last 6 months and want to see someone different take the title from him to pay it all off. You could have done any number of possibilities to fill the time. Show goes heel, Mark Henry returns, Kane fights Bryan; Shield vs. Bryan in a 4 way match; A Cena rematch; hell, vs. HHH even. There, there's six matches right there. It's not rocket science. And Eddie only lost to JBL because he didn't want to be Champion. They rewrote everything because of it, and the brand suffered. (JBL was actually the lowest drawing WWE Champion of all time).
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Jan 27, 2014 14:24:25 GMT -5
The problem with that is that crowd reaction is pretty much THE key difference between pro wrestling and every other form of entertainment. The response is immidiate and there for everyone to hear. With a film, you only have until people leave the theatre, same with music (not quite with concerts) and television and such. I can see your point and as a film critic, I expect respect from the people watching until the movie ends but pro wrestling, at it's core, wants people to react to the things that are going on. It's more aggressive pantomime in that sense. Right, but still as I'm saying, there's a difference between "reacting" to what's going on, and doing whatever you can to "ruin" the show because you don't approve of it. What Pittsburgh did to me was the latter, not the former when it came to the Cena/Orton match. It is different because of how far in advance tickets may be bought, but I would also think that no matter how early you bought tickets to a movie, you wouldn't start booing scenes immediately just because your favorite actor didn't show up yet Remember, the crowds at the Roman Coliseum were very quick to give gladiators the kill sign if the match was boring. The hook was invented by Vaudville for a reason. You are assuming every crowd is a roving Tea Party or V for Vendetta waiting to topple the oppressors by staging massive protests. There simply aren't enough smarks out there. I think, genuinely, people like DBry. They want him to succeed because he is entertaining, likeable, and has done everything The Authority has asked him to do. Purposefully screwing with The E as the fourth wall takes money, will-power, and too much time to orchestrate.
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Post by gnr123 on Jan 27, 2014 15:18:11 GMT -5
Royal Rumble poll.
Thumbs up: 7k. Thumbs down: 25k.
OUCH!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 19:22:15 GMT -5
Actual show summary review:
The Brotherhood vs New Age Outlaws. The child in me cheered for every guy, I was shocked at how short it was and quite disappointed this star studded match was the PRE-SHOW but putting that to the side, every guy was sharp, The Brotherhood again on top form for every move, Road Dogg & Billy Gunn hitting every spot near perfectly, and the titles going from one team with huge fan support to another nostalgia act who happen to still be able to go (unlike that Batistuta guy...)
Bray vs Bryan was fantastic, a genuinely brilliant brawl. Bray FINALLY being able to shot his halfway Cactus Jack intensity and innovative/reckless brawling (and sadly the knee to the stairs bump which makes me gasp) and Bryan looking like a bad-ass. Match of the night.
Big Show vs Brock Lesnar was a short squash match inbetween the bells but christ, Lesnar was a beast (unlike that Deacon Dave bloke) and I felt uncomfortable seeing Show in tears or hardly managing to walk. Those chair shots to the hips...absolutely brutal. Lesnar needs to be like this, he needs to destroy all he comes across until he is toppled by someone the fans actually supported (unlike that Leviathan chap).
John Cena vs Randy Orton. I watched this event with three friends. We all knew orton was winning from before the bell and had zero interest in a repeat of this match. We all like Cena in ring, and we all think Orton is a top player, but a repeat? Again? For a guy who doesn't deserve a shot in kayfabe (Cena) against a guy who has better matches with ANY OTHER GUY (not named Khali)? Get a clue, WWE. No psychology, tried to sell it as a huge thing with stolen finishers, but this attempted Rock vs Austin call back was a pile of bilge. I'd be more polite if I hadn't seen this match 30 times before. Randy Orton deserves better, John Cena needs to step away for a minimum of a year. Get him away.
The Royal Rumble was very fun (I won't speak on the latter part), I felt awful for Jake not being back, I was hoping for some other new returns, Kofi's spot was fun, Shield heels was cool. Let's avoid the Bryan subject, but Reigns not winning against a blown up to exhaustion Batista who had a tricep taped and seemed to have lost his gear?! I think Batista is an underrated power-guy wrestler, but he's come back looking like a trashy gym rat. Reigns should have won of all those allowed in the Rumble and Batista should have never been in this match.
The fans pissing on Batista was spot on, for those that complained about The Rock's cardio I can't imagine how much you despised Big Dave-o's role in this travesty.
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