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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on Jan 4, 2014 20:49:19 GMT -5
He's good in the ring, but I didn't care about him at all in the '90s and I still don't. Well that's all well and good because he really wasn't fleshed out as a character until 2000, but good job!
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Post by Sparkybob on Jan 4, 2014 20:50:35 GMT -5
I always felt Christian should have been drafted over to smackdown in 2004. They desperately needed main event heels and Christian after going over Jericho at mania was gaining momentum. He could have easily have feuded with Taker for a couple of months if the WWE wanted to keep the JBL push, or even have him challenge Eddie for the belt which would have led to some outstanding matches.
On Raw he was behind the glass ceiling known as evolution so Christian never wouldn't have an oppertunity to prove himself in a main event spot on Raw. Christian on Smackdown would have a chance to shine and gave the bookers on some more heels for their 3 top baby-faces Eddie/Taker/Cena that weren't sh** guys like Dupree/Heindriech/Suzuki.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 4, 2014 20:52:37 GMT -5
Good midcard guy, charismatic enough for his role. He can fill in the ME in a pinch, but I don't think he's at that level long term.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 23:00:48 GMT -5
He's good in the ring, but I didn't care about him at all in the '90s and I still don't. Well that's all well and good because he really wasn't fleshed out as a character until 2000, but good job! I don't care about his character, either. I've seen everything they've ever done to "flesh him out," but there's just something about the guy that causes me to be completely unable to care about anything he does. Make no mistake, he's a great wrestler, but so are a lot of guys, so that only goes so far. He's always been the very definition of mid-card filler to me. I see him in the same category as D'lo Brown or Marty Janetty; he's a definitive "also-ran" - he just managed to stick around for a long time. The only thing Christian can do that a thousand other guys can't do just as well is say he was around for the Attitude era. I have no nostalgia for then, and I'm not too impressed by that. Sorry, but some people just don't care about the guy.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 4, 2014 23:11:48 GMT -5
He's just there for me. I liked Edge and Christian, but as a solo wrestler I just don't get the appeal, honestly.
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Post by bootytea on Jan 4, 2014 23:24:45 GMT -5
I always preferred him over Edge, but he was not consistent at being a good talker. One week he would get my attention, but the next he would be really bland. I for one can not stand how Edge overdoes and tries so hard. With Christian, he gets into the material if he likes it, but makes it obvious when he thinks its stupid.
When it comes to matches, Christian is so underrated that it almost makes me want to cry. I remember being excited for the ECW main events because it did not matter who he was facing, you knew they would have a great match. The same thing with Matt Hardy as well. It seems that Christian and Matt are alike in the sense that they could not tow the line and made it obvious when they did not like something.
It probably did not help when Christian left to go to TNA the way that he did either.
Giving Christian the World Heavyweight title was a nice moment, but I could not help but feel slighted at the fact he could not get a run with the title that matters the most.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 5, 2014 1:16:14 GMT -5
Well that's all well and good because he really wasn't fleshed out as a character until 2000, but good job! I don't care about his character, either. I've seen everything they've ever done to "flesh him out," but there's just something about the guy that causes me to be completely unable to care about anything he does. Make no mistake, he's a great wrestler, but so are a lot of guys, so that only goes so far. He's always been the very definition of mid-card filler to me. I see him in the same category as D'lo Brown or Marty Janetty; he's a definitive "also-ran" - he just managed to stick around for a long time. The only thing Christian can do that a thousand other guys can't do just as well is say he was around for the Attitude era. I have no nostalgia for then, and I'm not too impressed by that. Sorry, but some people just don't care about the guy. Comparing Christian to Marty Jannetty or D'Lo Brown is insulting, especially after his TNA and ECW brand runs. I swear, Christian's recent run of injuries has really pushed down the IWC opinion of him and I don't understand it at all. At Extreme Rules 2011, this poll would have been insanely skewered towards the top option. Now, because a couple of injuries and the WWE making sure that you remember he's nothing special, he's right back down. I'll call it the Zack Ryder effect, since the WWE did it with Ryder and got everyone in the IWC to turn on him.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 5, 2014 1:52:02 GMT -5
I don't know about all that; a lot of us just feel like 'Christian, yeah, he's alright'; and have always felt that way.
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Post by onetruemisfit on Jan 5, 2014 3:31:30 GMT -5
Didn't draw a dime.
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Post by Woo on Jan 5, 2014 5:50:33 GMT -5
Superb in the ring. Superb on the mic. What's not to love?
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Post by MOONDOG on Jan 5, 2014 6:08:04 GMT -5
Enjoyed his tag team work well enough. When he went solo i knew he didn't have THAT factor i knew Edge had.
Not that i saw much of his TNA run but he grew as a performer there ( IMO ) That gave him credibility in my eyes when he returned and he was a better all-round wrestler...but he still didn't have " IT " ( IMO )
Rejoiced like most when he won the big gold Then he feuded with Randy ( who's bored me to tears ever since the night Hunter gave him the thumbs-down ) and they put on some of the best matches i'd seen in years. Awesome combo of styles
One of the most natural promo guys there is too. But yeah , to me he'll
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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on Jan 5, 2014 20:14:01 GMT -5
Well that's all well and good because he really wasn't fleshed out as a character until 2000, but good job! I don't care about his character, either. I've seen everything they've ever done to "flesh him out," but there's just something about the guy that causes me to be completely unable to care about anything he does. Make no mistake, he's a great wrestler, but so are a lot of guys, so that only goes so far. He's always been the very definition of mid-card filler to me. I see him in the same category as D'lo Brown or Marty Janetty; he's a definitive "also-ran" - he just managed to stick around for a long time. The only thing Christian can do that a thousand other guys can't do just as well is say he was around for the Attitude era. I have no nostalgia for then, and I'm not too impressed by that. Sorry, but some people just don't care about the guy. Well, if you think he's D'Lo or Marty Janetty, then you don't know anything about wrestling. Regardless about your personal preference.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 23:40:55 GMT -5
I don't care about his character, either. I've seen everything they've ever done to "flesh him out," but there's just something about the guy that causes me to be completely unable to care about anything he does. Make no mistake, he's a great wrestler, but so are a lot of guys, so that only goes so far. He's always been the very definition of mid-card filler to me. I see him in the same category as D'lo Brown or Marty Janetty; he's a definitive "also-ran" - he just managed to stick around for a long time. The only thing Christian can do that a thousand other guys can't do just as well is say he was around for the Attitude era. I have no nostalgia for then, and I'm not too impressed by that. Sorry, but some people just don't care about the guy. Well, if you think he's D'Lo or Marty Janetty, then you don't know anything about wrestling. Regardless about your personal preference. I'm not sure why you're getting so hostile over me not liking Christian. Lots of people dislike my favorite gus in the industry, but if I called out anyone who disliked Cornette or Hogan, for instance, I'd never get anything else done. If you think being compared to a worker like Marty Janetty or D'lo Brown is an insult, I'm not sure that I'm the one who doesn't know anything about wrestling. He's a good hand in the ring, but I can't see him ever being a top guy. He's at a perfect spot putting on good matches in the midcard. Obviously I'm not the only one who thinks so, or he would have gone a heck of a lot farther. Not everyone can be Shawn or Edge.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Jan 5, 2014 23:55:10 GMT -5
I like him when he's around, but when he's not around I never think about him. If it wasn't for people mentioning him on this forum, I would probably completely forget about him until he pops up on TV again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2014 23:59:25 GMT -5
I don't care about his character, either. I've seen everything they've ever done to "flesh him out," but there's just something about the guy that causes me to be completely unable to care about anything he does. Make no mistake, he's a great wrestler, but so are a lot of guys, so that only goes so far. He's always been the very definition of mid-card filler to me. I see him in the same category as D'lo Brown or Marty Janetty; he's a definitive "also-ran" - he just managed to stick around for a long time. The only thing Christian can do that a thousand other guys can't do just as well is say he was around for the Attitude era. I have no nostalgia for then, and I'm not too impressed by that. Sorry, but some people just don't care about the guy. Well, if you think he's D'Lo or Marty Janetty, then you don't know anything about wrestling. Regardless about your personal preference. D'Lo I can sort of get, but Marty Jannety had a pretty good career even with the sacking/rehiring/firing deals over the last 20 years. I mean, you have your opinion and that's always fine but don't talk down others because of a post and frame it as a fact.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 6, 2014 0:01:32 GMT -5
Without Edge he does nothing for me and wish him not on my TV.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 0:06:15 GMT -5
Well, if you think he's D'Lo or Marty Janetty, then you don't know anything about wrestling. Regardless about your personal preference. D'Lo I can sort of get, but Marty Jannety had a pretty good career even with the sacking/rehiring/firing deals over the last 20 years. I mean, you have your opinion and that's always fine but don't talk down others because of a post and frame it as a fact. I probably shouldn't have used D'lo, but I sort of pulled him out of the air because he's a random Attitude era midcarder who put on good matches and was entertaining, but really gave you no reason to ever think about him when he wasn't around. I guess I could have said he's a Mike Rotundo. Good in the ring, good with the angles he's given, and surely worthy of "legend" status, but also quite full of "meh."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 0:13:15 GMT -5
D'Lo I can sort of get, but Marty Jannety had a pretty good career even with the sacking/rehiring/firing deals over the last 20 years. I mean, you have your opinion and that's always fine but don't talk down others because of a post and frame it as a fact. I probably shouldn't have used D'lo, but I sort of pulled him out of the air because he's a random Attitude era midcarder who put on good matches and was entertaining, but really gave you no reason to ever think about him when he wasn't around. I guess I could have said he's a Mike Rotundo. Good in the ring, good with the angles he's given, and surely worthy of "legend" status, but also quite full of "meh." Oh no, I understand what you mean and I agree completely. Christian was the smaller guy who got the rub of being the eventual main eventer's buddy/ex-partner (much like Jannety), but that isn't an insult as such as it is a "wasn't as big a deal as Edge" statement. I simply didn't like the whole insinuation of "you know nothing about wrestling" in the follow up post, as that also seems to walk the line of "no one can consider their careers worthwhile if you compare them!" which is disrespectful to Jannety & D'Lo and your own fair opinion.
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Post by saintpat on Jan 6, 2014 0:32:23 GMT -5
Very good worker, makes other people look good.
Calling him Captain Charisma is like calling a 300-pound guy Tiny.
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Post by austinariesfan88 on Jan 6, 2014 0:55:10 GMT -5
Always enjoyed whether as a tag specialist or solo act, great on the mic and good in the ring.Really enjoyed his heel run in TNA, sometimes wish he would have stayed and would have loved to see him and Aries have a few matches together think they would be great, and loved his feud with Orton thought those two had great chemistry and amazing matches.
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