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Post by CMWaters on Jan 14, 2014 10:37:03 GMT -5
Easiest way for people to look at this, who might be upset about this decision: The stuff that happens in the EU stuff is alternate universe. That's how Star Trek has done it since the beginning: only things in the shows and movies counted (well, The Animated Series was a "maybe" in what counted or didn't), and books, comics and the like were just alternate universe stories. The Animated Series counts now. OK. Lost track of if it did or didn't. I know it didn't during DS9's run.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jan 14, 2014 10:54:01 GMT -5
The Animated Series counts now. OK. Lost track of if it did or didn't. I know it didn't during DS9's run. I believe Paramount did a poll of the fans to see if it would get in or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:19:54 GMT -5
To be fair, an entire moon had to kill Chewie... ...ah, screw it, the whole "killing Chewbacca" and "Han Solo's son as a Sith lord" crap has to go.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 14, 2014 11:22:19 GMT -5
To be fair, an entire moon had to kill Chewie... ...ah, screw it, the whole "killing Chewbacca" and "Han Solo's son as a Sith lord" crap has to go. That's no moon... it's a space station stunt to sell more copies But seriously, the end of the Vong is a good thing. Yes, I'm a little sad the Thrawn stuff is going away, but it's not like they are going to burn every copy of those books. (Some Disney Lawyer is probably contemplating how to do this now) You can still read them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:27:08 GMT -5
To be fair, an entire moon had to kill Chewie... ...ah, screw it, the whole "killing Chewbacca" and "Han Solo's son as a Sith lord" crap has to go. That's no moon... it's a space station stunt to sell more copies But seriously, the end of the Vong is a good thing. Yes, I'm a little sad the Thrawn stuff is going away, but it's not like they are going to burn every copy of those books. (Some Disney Lawyer is probably contemplating how to do this now) You can still read them. There are a lot of things in the Expanded Universe that I do like reading, but the things I mentioned were stuff I didn't like.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 14, 2014 11:35:18 GMT -5
I just see this as a practical move. If they had to consider every single event that happened in the hundreds of stories that have been published over the last few decades, it'd make writing a new movie an insane feat.
Certain time periods, characters, all locked out because of one story or another.
This way they can focus on making a good movie, which the franchise needs more than anything at this point, they might even bring in some ideas they like from it.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 14, 2014 11:35:40 GMT -5
there's some good stuff that should be saved, but there's a LOT of crap that rally should be thrown out. the New Jedi Order's a good place to start. the Emperor having 5 million clones thus making his death pointless is another thing they can probably toss.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 14, 2014 11:36:00 GMT -5
The alternative is to go the Doctor Who route and say "everything is canon sort it out for your selves!" Surely the Doctor Who route is saying that nothing is canon rather than everything, because the canon itself doesn't exist? But yeah, the Who route would be better. Canon is a phenomenally stupid idea ("This fictional thing is more real than this fictional thing!"), and it has never made a franchise better.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 14, 2014 11:37:46 GMT -5
yeah not good when people become selective in what THEY WANT to be in the universe keep it all i say, otherwise what was the point in giving rights to people who write the comics and novels and games then? worked for DC Comics with the New 52 right? ... the f*** you looking at?
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 14, 2014 12:21:50 GMT -5
The alternative is to go the Doctor Who route and say "everything is canon sort it out for your selves!" Surely the Doctor Who route is saying that nothing is canon rather than everything, because the canon itself doesn't exist? But yeah, the Who route would be better. Canon is a phenomenally stupid idea ("This fictional thing is more real than this fictional thing!"), and it has never made a franchise better. I like it in some instances, like how videogames handle things like crossovers (or KOF dream match years). They do have a main story but they don't refuse to do fun side games due to it. Or things like elseworlds, where they specifically state it's an alternate world. They don't ever pass off like it's part of any main story. To me, it does make a franchise better, because it makes them willing to do things that, if they strictly cared about presenting a setting, they wouldn't do. I would agree that having the tiers of canon stuff is pretty stupid though, and that's what SW was doing. It's one thing for them to say "this is a fun side thing we're doing, it clashes with the main story so don't take it as part of it" and another to say "This is more real than this because it was written in this series while this comic book series is less canon and the movie canon trumps them all." If you do it, it should really just come down to "this is the story, and this is fun side stuff that doesn't count"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 13:57:05 GMT -5
This is really great news. The EU is so huge, so winding that it's impossible to keep track of everything. There's so many random, poorly-written characters, awfully-designed alien races, horrid storylines and plot developments that pretty much nobody can know all of what's going on. Probably the best thing about this is that the Vong and all associated stories will almost certainly be eliminated. That stuff was bad.It makes me hope that we get a similar concept to the Vong in future films. The idea of an alien race invading the galaxy is awesome. I agree, it's not a bad idea in and of itself, it's just the way it was executed was really badly done. The notion of another galaxy harboring a conquering race that uses the Galaxy's instability from the Rebellion to destroy the New Republic before it can consolidate sort of writes itself, but the way they designed/explained the Vong (in addition to the horrible plot) was just screwy.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jan 14, 2014 14:02:18 GMT -5
Way I see it, the easiest way to go about it is all the books and comics are non-canon. Make the official canon only be the films, the cartoons, and the games.
Boom made it nice and simple.
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Post by Burst on Jan 14, 2014 14:09:38 GMT -5
^ Yeah, but then we'd have to include the awful 80's cartoons.
Honestly? Keep Thrawn, Rouge/Wraith Squadron, and Death Star. The character development there alone is enough to flesh out all the old favorites, though I have to say, if they wanted to make people happy, just have Thrawn be the villain for the next ones and reboot him that way.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Jan 14, 2014 15:03:14 GMT -5
Goodbye Hethrir, so long Irek, adios Waru, but you better f***ing leave Dash Rendar alone
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 14, 2014 15:06:11 GMT -5
Does this mean Splinter in the Mind's Eye is non-canon?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 14, 2014 15:09:24 GMT -5
Goodbye Hethrir, so long Irek, adios Waru, but you better f***ing leave Dash Rendar alone and Kyle Katarn!
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jan 14, 2014 16:21:45 GMT -5
Hey, this means Boba Fett is still dead and rotting down in the Sarlaac!
Ironic timing, as the goings-on between Marvel and Star Wars lately finally give a better chance to Lucas' one specific "he's not canon and I refuse to acknowledge him" - Jaxxon - returning in some form.
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 14, 2014 16:26:59 GMT -5
The biggest question I have in all this:
Are the Holiday Special and the two Ewok movies canon or no?
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Jan 14, 2014 16:27:54 GMT -5
Hey, this means Boba Fett is still dead and rotting down in the Sarlaac!. Until JJ puts him front & centre of Episode VII, just watch
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 14, 2014 16:30:16 GMT -5
The biggest question I have in all this: Are the Holiday Special and the two Ewok movies canon or no? Lucas has gone out of his way to make sure the Holiday Special never existed.
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