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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 14, 2014 16:35:57 GMT -5
Hey, this means Boba Fett is still dead and rotting down in the Sarlaac! Ironic timing, as the goings-on between Marvel and Star Wars lately finally give a better chance to Lucas' one specific "he's not canon and I refuse to acknowledge him" - Jaxxon - returning in some form. Was such a non-death in movies, I doubt it will be any more difficult to explain than it ever was. Dude is covered in armor, it isn't like he would be digested nearly as fast as Luke would be if he was dropped in.
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Post by CM Dazz on Jan 14, 2014 16:40:31 GMT -5
Eh, this doesn't bother me. I'm a big Star Wars fan, but never got into the ancillary stuff outside KOTOR/KOTOR2 for Xbox.
FWIW, I enjoy the prequels, & I'm not terribly bothered by Lucas' edits. I saw something last week about watching them in the following order: IV, V, I, II, III, VI. Anyone ever watch them this way? I do find it a bit intriguing, & will probably give it a shot when I get the opportunity to do so. I've also seen the same order except skipping Phantom Menace. Won't do that though since I enjoy all six movies like I said.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 14, 2014 16:58:57 GMT -5
Disney should decanonise the prequels too. They are shit and will severely restrict the writers of the next episodes if they had to adhere to them. Restoring the original films to their pre-1997 versions would also be a good idea. Then at some point, Disney can remake the prequels, albeit with a better story.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 14, 2014 17:15:31 GMT -5
Disney should decanonise the prequels too. They are shit and will severely restrict the writers of the next episodes if they had to adhere to them. Restoring the original films to their pre-1997 versions would also be a good idea. Then at some point, Disney can remake the prequels, albeit with a better story. At the very least I want the pre-OT EU decanonized because then people can stop using that as an excuse to explain Prequal plot holes.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 14, 2014 17:40:07 GMT -5
Here's hoping they start with Hayden Christensen in Return of the Jedi.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 14, 2014 17:49:32 GMT -5
I'm in a bit of a bind when it comes to the special editions
- A new hope - every version but theatrical can piss off - empire - I really like the special edition, changes were vast improvements IMO - Jedi - Theatrical version till Vader's funeral then 1997 special edition, I prefer the victory fanfare over Nub Nub (or whatever it's called)
That's my ideal release, or how about branching
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 20:06:35 GMT -5
I'm in a bit of a bind when it comes to the special editions - A new hope - every version but theatrical can piss off - empire - I really like the special edition, changes were vast improvements IMO - Jedi - Theatrical version till Vader's funeral then 1997 special edition, I prefer the victory fanfare over Nub Nub (or whatever it's called) That's my ideal release, or how about branching How dare you hate on Yub Nub! I'll Yub Nub till I can't Yub Nub no more. I f***in' love Yub Nub!
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Post by Cela on Jan 14, 2014 20:22:46 GMT -5
Seems fitting.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 14, 2014 20:31:24 GMT -5
This is my take on what should remain in the canon from the EU:
1) Splinter of the Mind's Eye - Granted, some of it does not quite fit but it was intended to be the original sequel and Lucas was rather involved in its production.
2) The two Clone Wars cartoons - Some of it seems like fan service, but for the most part it is all quality material that does not conflict with anything officially canon.
3) Select post-RotJ novels up to the end of the Thrawn trilogy. Remember, the new movies are going to take place a long time after Ep 6. Keeping selected materials that only date up to 5 years after Ep 6 will not conflict unless it kills off a character you wish to use in the new movies. Personally, I would keep the first 6-7 X-Wing novels (I don't have #7 to know if it has anything that does not belong), the Thrawn trilogy, and perhaps any other materials that introduce a character that you wish to use. Please note that I am not simply advocating keeping only books I like as canon as I my favorite books from the EU are Starfighters of Adumar, the Behind Enemy Lines duology, and the second Thrawn duology. I propose to ignore all of those.
4) I would take a serious look at the Saga edition stories that take place between the two trilogies. They definitely inflate the role of Leia's adopted dad to that of certain hero.
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Post by the2ndevil on Jan 14, 2014 20:44:11 GMT -5
I don't really see how something called the expanded universe can ever be part of the main canon, anyway.
Only piece of Star Wars EU I would come close to grouping with the actual canon is the first The Force Unleashed game, and that's because I really like how it gives the Rebel Alliance insignia some weight, and how Palpatine was directly involved in what lead to his empire's downfall.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 14, 2014 20:46:17 GMT -5
But..but without a huge extensive expanded universe, how will fanboys shit on your favorite parts of Star Wars when your having a casual conversation?
You may think the Emperor comes off as evil, but in an obscure novel from the 80s(that was only sold at comic-con), he rescued homeless puppies!
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 15, 2014 19:27:17 GMT -5
The biggest question I have in all this: Are the Holiday Special and the two Ewok movies canon or no? Lucas has gone out of his way to make sure the Holiday Special never existed. Yet oddly enough a lot of it eventually became canon, Life Day, Fett, Chewie's family, Kashyyyk. It's got a really weird place in Star Wars lore Also, when the f*** is Disney gonna get on releasing that?!?!
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Post by Glitch on Jan 15, 2014 20:33:10 GMT -5
- Jedi - Theatrical version till Vader's funeral then 1997 special edition, I prefer the victory fanfare over Nub Nub (or whatever it's called) Oh yeah, horrible,generic new age sounding music certainly doesn't ruin that moment.
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Post by Mike Strike on Jan 15, 2014 21:14:36 GMT -5
I'm fine with it so long as they still realize that certain key EU characters can still have a place in the new canon. I hear that the kids of Luke/Han/Leia are gonna be the protagonists of the new trilogy. There's really no reason for them making up new kids instead of using the existing ones right?
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Post by CM Dazz on Jan 15, 2014 21:24:42 GMT -5
I don't really see how something called the expanded universe can ever be part of the main canon, anyway. Only piece of Star Wars EU I would come close to grouping with the actual canon is the first The Force Unleashed game, and that's because I really like how it gives the Rebel Alliance insignia some weight, and how Palpatine was directly involved in what lead to his empire's downfall. I'm glad you brought up the Rebel Alliance insignia, because that reminded me of something. Where does the Jedi insignia come from, & does it have an official name? I've seen it before, but I can't really find an answer. I've only seen it within the last couple years as far as I remember, but I just don't know how it fits in.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 15, 2014 23:36:31 GMT -5
Pretty much everything set within the ten year period of ROTJ is fine with me. Once focus started to shift towards the Solo kids and the New Jedi Order things went to shit and can be cut with extreme prejudice for all I care.
Talon Karrde, Mara Jade, Thrawn, the Noghri, Xizor, and Guri are strong enough characters/races to deserve a place in the official canon.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 16, 2014 5:56:23 GMT -5
- Jedi - Theatrical version till Vader's funeral then 1997 special edition, I prefer the victory fanfare over Nub Nub (or whatever it's called) Oh yeah, horrible,generic new age sounding music certainly doesn't ruin that moment. It really doesn't. It's one of the few changes that is an improvement However, if the price of losing it means all the other shitty changes are also removed, I'm all for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 16:08:28 GMT -5
I take this to mean that the Yuuzhan Vong crap is gone. If so, I am pleased. Honestly, the farther away they got from ROTJ the worse it got. I enjoyed the earlier stuff mostly (DARK EMPIRE, the Thrawn trilogy, DARKLIGHTER, the initial X-WING books and the comic series, and KJ Anderson's first couple JEDI ACADEMY novels) but when the whole universe started to become unrecognizable because of age and calamity, I drifted away. ...Though they'd best not screw with Grand Admiral Thrawn... Thrawn is the one thing that I think can be spared in large part, because he was the 1st and arguably the most popular/critically acclaimed part of the post-ROTJ expanded universe. Mara Jade probably gets spared by being in the wake of his influence (in her original "Hand of the Empire" state; not sure she ends up with Luke, honestly), but I can't think of a bigger geekgasm the EU could provide in any Episode 7 trailer than seeing his blue face and red eyes on screen....
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 16, 2014 16:22:53 GMT -5
I take this to mean that the Yuuzhan Vong crap is gone. If so, I am pleased. Honestly, the farther away they got from ROTJ the worse it got. I enjoyed the earlier stuff mostly (DARK EMPIRE, the Thrawn trilogy, DARKLIGHTER, the initial X-WING books and the comic series, and KJ Anderson's first couple JEDI ACADEMY novels) but when the whole universe started to become unrecognizable because of age and calamity, I drifted away. ...Though they'd best not screw with Grand Admiral Thrawn... Thrawn is the one thing that I think can be spared in large part, because he was the 1st and arguably the most popular/critically acclaimed part of the post-ROTJ expanded universe. Mara Jade probably gets spared by being in the wake of his influence (in her original "Hand of the Empire" state; not sure she ends up with Luke, honestly), but I can't think of a bigger geekgasm the EU could provide in any Episode 7 trailer than seeing his blue face and red eyes on screen.... You actually liked the Anderson novels? I liked a few characters (Daala and Durron), but as a whole I thought that those novels were not very good. I did find the flashback of Tarkin to be badass, though.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 16, 2014 16:58:15 GMT -5
Oh yeah, horrible,generic new age sounding music certainly doesn't ruin that moment. It really doesn't. It's one of the few changes that is an improvement However, if the price of losing it means all the other shitty changes are also removed, I'm all for it. Agreed, As much as I love that tune, it's a price worth paying But on topic of the EU I love the "Old Republic" era stuff, Just thought I'd mention it.
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