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Post by Glitch on Feb 25, 2014 21:02:00 GMT -5
Except this time it involves other people working on this campaign. And judging by what he says on the goal description, they must be as stupid as he is.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 27, 2014 21:28:09 GMT -5
That should be enough to pay off the contracts of all the women on the roster
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 12, 2014 16:05:31 GMT -5
Actually I brought Nathan on-board when I was browsing around the indiegogo siteone night to see what other projects people were working on for the indie spectrum of the industry. I'm the founder of Big Sky Wrestling and it's still my operation. I applaud his efforts for at least taking a political science type approach to evaluate some of the things going on with TNA as of late, although I can't say I agree with everything. I haven't really been involved with watching much of pro wrestling for the last few years, I just keep seeing all these reports of the low attendance at TNA shows. I basically watched a few of their earlier shows and then sorta skipped ahead to late 2013 and watched from then on. At the end of the day, every promoter is going to do what they believe makes sense for their promotion and different things will stand out to different people due to things like manners etc (in the de Tocqueville sense). What works in a place like Tennessee may not necessarily work in New York due to a number of factors. If you look at the timeline of the indiegogo campaign, you'll see I am the one that has been posting all of the updates, I'm also the one that purchased the ring and some of the local articles regarding our promotion in Wyoming like the one from the Lusk Herald name me, not Nathan. I never sought to buy out TNA, I just wanted to start some local entertainment in the empty quarter region due to the sparse population causing most of the bigger names to completely overlook the area. For any organization or entity to flourish, a certain amount of cooperation and 'social capital' is required and I figured he perhaps wanted to come work with us. We are in different states though and in most indie promotions it gets quite stale if you don't see new faces. There are some local people that always wanted to try their hand at being a manager so a local promotion is a good way to see if it is something they even like. Someone might try it and decide it isn't for them, or they might excel at it and decide they want to try more. This is also the case for wrestlers. Why drive 300+ miles just to try it out if there is an opportunity in your own area? @glitch, what is stupid about creating jobs? Out here the pickings are pretty slim as far as employment goes, and as I pointed out before, there isn't much in the way of entertainment. This isn't a big city like San Francisco where there are literally thousands of things to do at any given time. The last Wyoming wrestling tour did pretty well averaging around 200-600 attendees per show which was about as much as the venues used could hold anyway. Most promotions run in the red for the first few years, yet wasn't the case for Wyoming. Perhaps the issue is that of trying to use a "one size fits all" approach and expecting it to apply everywhere. P.S. we're nearly at $2000 now, have sponsors and the ring is paid for, so the project is going to happen either way. And we won't have to use plastic toy belts like some of the indie promotions I have seen Take care www.indiegogo.com/projects/wyoming-pro-wrestling/x/4668169
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 12, 2014 16:16:27 GMT -5
See, I'm still noticing that if the goal isn't met, the funds aren't returned to contributors.
I'm sorry but that just screams "SCAM" to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 16:23:36 GMT -5
I still haven't figured out why I'M not doing IndieGoGo campaigns left and right.
This just seems like too much fun.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Mar 12, 2014 16:33:08 GMT -5
I'd love for there to be some pro wrestling out here in Wyoming...but at the same time, I'm not willing to give you money to make it happen.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 12, 2014 16:41:00 GMT -5
See, I'm still noticing that if the goal isn't met, the funds aren't returned to contributors. I'm sorry but that just screams "SCAM" to me. It seems like an awful lot of trouble to post pics of a wrestling ring being hauled,posting pictures in the updates, and then unloading it somewhere that obviously has snow. I suppose it's possible, just very unlikely to go from a campaign that has zero contributions to suddenly it magically pops up in a different state and has sponsors. I have to ask though, an indie promotion gets so much scrutiny but why is there no outrage at things like that of some of the founders of the World Wildlife Fund going after endangered species for mere trophy hunting? They pull in loads of money every year. In the case of breast cancer research, less than half of the money raised by the bigger organizations actually go to those that need the help, with about 70% going towards further fundraising. BSW and the effort to buy TNA are separate causes. Has the other campaign even been looked at or is it more of an "zomgoat one d00d that joined half way through is the same as another" issue? www.scoop.it/t/press-release-by-jeasson-lens/p/4016674419/2014/02/27/professional-wrestling-promotion-launching-in-wyomingnew.pitchengine.com/pitches/aa2bfb37-8acd-4eda-b35f-361e0213143a
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 12, 2014 16:46:13 GMT -5
I'd love for there to be some pro wrestling out here in Wyoming...but at the same time, I'm not willing to give you money to make it happen. The campaign is actually geared more for sponsors at the moment, as once the shows are running the rates will go up. I put some other perks for general purposes, but we will be running the shows in late spring/early summer once UWYO gets out. What part of Wyoming are you in? The first few shows will be based primarily in the Lusk area but I can start doing research on venues in other areas. Wheatland was pretty successful last year but I would like to hit up Rock Springs, Douglas, Laramie, Evanston, Gillette etc as well. Montana doesn't have a promotion right now either, and neither does western Nebraska or the Black Hills area.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Mar 12, 2014 16:49:16 GMT -5
I'd love for there to be some pro wrestling out here in Wyoming...but at the same time, I'm not willing to give you money to make it happen. The campaign is actually geared more for sponsors at the moment, as once the shows are running the rates will go up. I put some other perks for general purposes, but we will be running the shows in late spring/early summer once UWYO gets out. What part of Wyoming are you in? The first few shows will be based primarily in the Lusk area but I can start doing research on venues in other areas. Wheatland was pretty successful last year but I would like to hit up Rock Springs, Douglas, Laramie, Evanston, Gillette etc as well. Montana doesn't have a promotion right now either, and neither does western Nebraska or the Black Hills area. Calling bullshit, nobody goes to Gillette willingly. ...wait, Lusk, wants to run a wrestling company with funding of others...ERIC?!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 16:52:27 GMT -5
Translation: "I'm not saying its NOT a scam, but that things like curing breast cancer are kind of scammy so....why are you putting US under a microscope!?!"
Answer: Because curing breast cancer is actually important. Kickstarting an indie wrestling promotion in 2014, in a market where you can easily buy DVDs and MP4s of indie companies all over the world isn't.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 12, 2014 16:57:58 GMT -5
See, I'm still noticing that if the goal isn't met, the funds aren't returned to contributors. I'm sorry but that just screams "SCAM" to me. It seems like an awful lot of trouble to post pics of a wrestling ring being hauled,posting pictures in the updates, and then unloading it somewhere that obviously has snow. I suppose it's possible, just very unlikely to go from a campaign that has zero contributions to suddenly it magically pops up in a different state and has sponsors. I have to ask though, an indie promotion gets so much scrutiny but why is there no outrage at things like that of some of the founders of the World Wildlife Fund going after endangered species for mere trophy hunting? They pull in loads of money every year. In the case of breast cancer research, less than half of the money raised by the bigger organizations actually go to those that need the help, with about 70% going towards further fundraising. BSW and the effort to buy TNA are separate causes. Has the other campaign even been looked at or is it more of an "zomgoat one d00d that joined half way through is the same as another" issue? www.scoop.it/t/press-release-by-jeasson-lens/p/4016674419/2014/02/27/professional-wrestling-promotion-launching-in-wyomingnew.pitchengine.com/pitches/aa2bfb37-8acd-4eda-b35f-361e0213143aI like how you wrote all that and managed to still not respond to what the f*** I actually said. What does the World Wildlife Fund have to do with any of this? We're talking about you and this scam of a promotion. It gets so much scrutiny because none of this makes any kind of sense and you aren't willing to provide any proof that you have what you say you have. This is some bullshit and anybody who is dumb enough to give you money gets no sympy when you run off like a bandit in the night with their cash.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 12, 2014 17:00:11 GMT -5
The campaign is actually geared more for sponsors at the moment, as once the shows are running the rates will go up. I put some other perks for general purposes, but we will be running the shows in late spring/early summer once UWYO gets out. What part of Wyoming are you in? The first few shows will be based primarily in the Lusk area but I can start doing research on venues in other areas. Wheatland was pretty successful last year but I would like to hit up Rock Springs, Douglas, Laramie, Evanston, Gillette etc as well. Montana doesn't have a promotion right now either, and neither does western Nebraska or the Black Hills area. Calling bullshit, nobody goes to Gillette willingly. ...wait, Lusk, wants to run a wrestling company with funding of others...ERIC?! What's wrong with Gillette? They're probably cold and bored. "The campaign is actually geared more for sponsors at the moment". Why lump the ENTIRE town of Lusk? Why don't some folks start up their own promotions than sit around claiming someone buying a ring for a few grand is a scam? You can actually see the building right across from the Manville town hall in the turnbuckle picture. These comments are going to make it way too easy for the heels. See you guys in May/June. Don't forget to check out our article in the Lusk Herald =p
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Post by Kash Flagg on Mar 12, 2014 17:03:32 GMT -5
If Jeff Katz can scam people...just saying.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Mar 12, 2014 17:07:21 GMT -5
Oh man, so much in this post. So much. I was just goofin' at first but since you wanna go that route... ]What's wrong with Gillette? Gillette sucks and smells like egg farts. 1. I never said you were a scam. 2. It was a joke, I don't think you're Eric Bischoff. ...and now I actually think you're Eric Bischoff. Circulation: 12.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 12, 2014 17:19:59 GMT -5
It seems like an awful lot of trouble to post pics of a wrestling ring being hauled,posting pictures in the updates, and then unloading it somewhere that obviously has snow. I suppose it's possible, just very unlikely to go from a campaign that has zero contributions to suddenly it magically pops up in a different state and has sponsors. I have to ask though, an indie promotion gets so much scrutiny but why is there no outrage at things like that of some of the founders of the World Wildlife Fund going after endangered species for mere trophy hunting? They pull in loads of money every year. In the case of breast cancer research, less than half of the money raised by the bigger organizations actually go to those that need the help, with about 70% going towards further fundraising. BSW and the effort to buy TNA are separate causes. Has the other campaign even been looked at or is it more of an "zomgoat one d00d that joined half way through is the same as another" issue? www.scoop.it/t/press-release-by-jeasson-lens/p/4016674419/2014/02/27/professional-wrestling-promotion-launching-in-wyomingnew.pitchengine.com/pitches/aa2bfb37-8acd-4eda-b35f-361e0213143aI like how you wrote all that and managed to still not respond to what the f*** I actually said. What does the World Wildlife Fund have to do with any of this? We're talking about you and this scam of a promotion. It gets so much scrutiny because none of this makes any kind of sense and you aren't willing to provide any proof that you have what you say you have. This is some bullshit and anybody who is dumb enough to give you money gets no sympy when you run off like a bandit in the night with their cash. Fair enough. What is "proof"? A bill of sale for the ring? Or would you want a personal invitation to drive out to manville to see the ring? Even articles of organization for an LLC does not necessarily mean someone is going to run a show, it just means they gave the state $50 to form an LLC and can let it rot for 2 years until the state revokes the status of the entity and dissolves it for not continuing to pay $50 a year. You missed the "The campaign is actually geared more for sponsors at the moment" comment. It seems like the majority just want to sit around and complain about how a promotion runs rather than do something like research into what it actually takes to launch a promotion, invest their own money into the purchase of a ring, etc. In case you haven't checked, the rings aren't cheap. You can't just walk into a resale store and buy one for $20. Hopefully you wont be too sore once the shows start up and I log back in with a youtube link of a match in an "I told ya so" fashion, but honestly I think that would just sorta get all the armchair promoters to start up with "well I would have done it THIS way or done XYZ and differently" which still proves my point that most people are not willing to even invest their own time and resources into starting a promotion. If there was an influx of people getting into pro wrestling promotion, we would probably have the same kind of competition people equate with the 70s-90s and only the best ones would be left standing as the ones that didn't have what it took wouldn't be able to stay afloat for ages and would eventually tap out. Then the remaining ones would be able to buy their rings and run more shows simultaneously and the likes of TNA/WWE wouldn't be able to bank on being the only game in town as some smaller operations with a better product would be able to muscle in and force them to keep raising the bar. It's the fans that suffer when one or two big fish control the pond.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 12, 2014 17:27:36 GMT -5
Oh man, so much in this post. So much. I was just goofin' at first but since you wanna go that route... ]What's wrong with Gillette? Gillette sucks and smells like egg farts. 1. I never said you were a scam. 2. It was a joke, I don't think you're Eric Bischoff. ...and now I actually think you're Eric Bischoff. Circulation: 12. We both know the actual circulation is more like 13 or 14, lets give the paper their due =p The scam comment was a general response to the other comments, not so much to yours but I assure you I am not Eric Bischoff. Niobrara isn't that big, we have less than 3000 people. Someone would have seen him and I for sure would have pestered him. I am curious about how the heck they were able to do Nitro in Casper with the insane amount prerequisites that venue has. You would think you were trying to muscle into a Bilderberg meeting or something.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 17:32:09 GMT -5
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Mar 12, 2014 17:32:11 GMT -5
I have no idea what's going on in this thread.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 12, 2014 17:35:02 GMT -5
Translation: "I'm not saying its NOT a scam, but that things like curing breast cancer are kind of scammy so....why are you putting US under a microscope!?!" Answer: Because curing breast cancer is actually important. Kickstarting an indie wrestling promotion in 2014, in a market where you can easily buy DVDs and MP4s of indie companies all over the world isn't. True. Industry is a necessity though. The grocery store won't just hand food over from the goodness of their heart. People need to eat and out here, we need wood and/or propane for about 7 or 8 months out of the year. I simply turned the same logic back at the source, but yeah, entertainment is optional. There is also a huge difference between watching wrestling on TV or watching it online vs actually going to a show. Not saying the live event is necessarily for everyone, but there are some that never got to go to a live show. I would have absolutely LOVED to see a live show when I was a kid. To each their own. Those who want video can watch video and those who want a live show can buy a ticket. It's not like we have Big Sky Wrestling gestapo jackboots forcing someone to donate, sponsor or even attend a show.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Mar 12, 2014 17:36:00 GMT -5
this is going to be the jeff jarrett announcement isn't it?
but actually let me get this right - Big-sky guy are you the dude that wanted to buy TNA in the original post?
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