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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 17:36:10 GMT -5
I have no idea what's going on in this thread. Kill the buzz, Zaq! Make BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres famous!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 17:43:51 GMT -5
Translation: "I'm not saying its NOT a scam, but that things like curing breast cancer are kind of scammy so....why are you putting US under a microscope!?!" Answer: Because curing breast cancer is actually important. Kickstarting an indie wrestling promotion in 2014, in a market where you can easily buy DVDs and MP4s of indie companies all over the world isn't. True. Industry is a necessity though. The grocery store won't just hand food over from the goodness of their heart. People need to eat and out here, we need wood and/or propane for about 7 or 8 months out of the year. I simply turned the same logic back at the source, but yeah, entertainment is optional. There is also a huge difference between watching wrestling on TV or watching it online vs actually going to a show. Not saying the live event is necessarily for everyone, but there are some that never got to go to a live show. I would have absolutely LOVED to see a live show when I was a kid. To each their own. Those who want video can watch video and those who want a live show can buy a ticket. It's not like we have Big Sky Wrestling gestapo jackboots forcing someone to donate, sponsor or even attend a show. "We're not forcing people to go" doesn't really address the fact that you tried to draw some lame parallel curing breast cancer to starting an indie wrestling promotion, but nevertheless, as someone whose seen indie wrestling both live and on DVD, I agree, live is ultimately more entertaining. At the same time though, you can't really be so shocked when people assume this is either one big scam, at worst or poorly concieved, at best.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Mar 12, 2014 17:50:08 GMT -5
Having looked about your website and looking at your post on the previous page, i see that you are not the TNA and martial art movie guy. Good. No Harm to that guy but his pitches, sponsorship benefits and ideas in the two things he has up are pretty iffy.
That being said, good luck to you in trying to get your new venture up and running. It's incredibly difficult to get something niche up and running from scratch, especially when you have no capital and have to go round with the begging cap out looking for investment. If you are genuine about getting this show on the road my i suggest you go to your local council and see if you apply for community group funding. I would also suggest that if you are taking money from others for this promotion - if there isn't much to go round - don't put a single penny of that money in your pocket until you, as a business, are making money.
just my two cents.
as i say man, good luck with it.
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Post by Lancers on Mar 12, 2014 17:56:47 GMT -5
I have no idea what's going on in this thread. The conception of Wyoming Championship Wrestling. I call dibs on naming a wrestler The Casper Crusher.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 12, 2014 18:29:00 GMT -5
this is going to be the jeff jarrett announcement isn't it? but actually let me get this right - Big-sky guy are you the dude that wanted to buy TNA in the original post? No. I addressed that before. I'm in Wyoming. The guy who wanted to buy TNA is in either Minnesota or Michigan (somewhere in the midwest) but probably won't even be at the first show. The confusion came when I messaged him and offered him to come try his hand out either as creative team or a wrestling manager and I added him to the campaign (he's got some articles on wrestling floating around), but someone on here made the claim that another campaign had been started by the same guy but that this one had $125. Big Sky Wrestling is my company and totally separate from any effort to buy TNA. I have absolutely nothing to do with Jeff Jarrett, I don't think he would use IndieGogo for sponsors but who knows. I was actually kinda curious when that announcement about his promotion was going to be revealed.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 12, 2014 18:59:47 GMT -5
@glitch, what is stupid about creating jobs? Out here the pickings are pretty slim as far as employment goes, and as I pointed out before, there isn't much in the way of entertainment. This isn't a big city like San Francisco where there are literally thousands of things to do at any given time. The last Wyoming wrestling tour did pretty well averaging around 200-600 attendees per show which was about as much as the venues used could hold anyway. Most promotions run in the red for the first few years, yet wasn't the case for Wyoming. Perhaps the issue is that of trying to use a "one size fits all" approach and expecting it to apply everywhere. And what promotion was this Wyoming wrestling tour? I have no clue if the numbers you are saying are completely made up. Also, you guys seriously expect to create 60 full time jobs? I doubt even Ring of Honor does that. Indie wrestling is not really the place to rake in the dough.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 12, 2014 19:01:31 GMT -5
Having looked about your website and looking at your post on the previous page, i see that you are not the TNA and martial art movie guy. Good. No Harm to that guy but his pitches, sponsorship benefits and ideas in the two things he has up are pretty iffy. That being said, good luck to you in trying to get your new venture up and running. It's incredibly difficult to get something niche up and running from scratch, especially when you have no capital and have to go round with the begging cap out looking for investment. If you are genuine about getting this show on the road my i suggest you go to your local council and see if you apply for community group funding. I would also suggest that if you are taking money from others for this promotion - if there isn't much to go round - don't put a single penny of that money in your pocket until you, as a business, are making money. just my two cents. as i say man, good luck with it. Thank you for the suggestions. I won't bother asking the town council though, they are dealing with the EPA trying to take control of the water at the moment. From a poli sci perspective I have read more than enough to know Wyomingites love benefits but are reluctant to fund ventures (and this even bleeds over into our tax structure). I'm not saying it out of bitterness or anything, but I won't be trying to change the manners of the state any time soon. This is more because we get skipped over for live entertainment so often due to the low population. It's more lucrative to just go to Denver where there are more people, but I wanted primarily to bring live wrestling and other entertainment to an area that doesn't usually have the opportunity without driving super far away. This is why it was so humorous to see general metropolitan or big city logic being applied to our own "rural/frontier/"rurban" state. To be honest I'm not sure what kind of attendance to expect in a smaller town like Manville or Lusk, but that's where it's easiest to haul the ring to. The instant jump to "zomgoat, SCAM!!!11" by some, when in fact the crowdfunding campaign was mostly aimed at Sponsors (which pretty much every promotion does without that type of suspicion) made it a little interesting. Thank you for the well wishes and I hope to see some of you at a future show.
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Post by jagilki on Mar 12, 2014 19:03:00 GMT -5
Wyoming Wrestling? Are you aiming to do it in Lusk? I always thought at least a show here (state) every once in a while would be good, but... I'm just having a hard time picturing the turn out being great unless you go Gillette, Casper or Laramie/Cheyenne.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Mar 12, 2014 19:21:09 GMT -5
I have no idea what's going on in this thread. All you need to know is Gillette is awful. There's even a song about it.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 12, 2014 19:26:46 GMT -5
@glitch, what is stupid about creating jobs? Out here the pickings are pretty slim as far as employment goes, and as I pointed out before, there isn't much in the way of entertainment. This isn't a big city like San Francisco where there are literally thousands of things to do at any given time. The last Wyoming wrestling tour did pretty well averaging around 200-600 attendees per show which was about as much as the venues used could hold anyway. Most promotions run in the red for the first few years, yet wasn't the case for Wyoming. Perhaps the issue is that of trying to use a "one size fits all" approach and expecting it to apply everywhere. And what promotion was this Wyoming wrestling tour? I have no clue if the numbers you are saying are completely made up. Also, you guys seriously expect to create 60 full time jobs? I doubt even Ring of Honor does that. Indie wrestling is not really the place to rake in the dough. You set a goal and see where it goes. Sometimes changes have to be made along the way. The current state in which wrestling is, it certainly wouldn't hurt for several indies to sprout up and have some regional promotions and see where it goes. The point is to jump-start some sort of industry where there are basically a few railroad jobs, a few others here and there, and then a whole bunch sitting up on public assistance complaining that there are no jobs. The ranchers are more than happy to hire a handful of people to help them keep raking the dough in. If someone played their cards right it could happen, I never said it DEFINITELY would. If a promotion went around in multiple states without other entertainment available, it could very quickly turn into full time work and then branch out from there. I'm not sure if you are in the 'empty quarter' region but in Wyoming most don't think twice about driving an hour or two to go shopping in a slightly bigger city that has Walmart, Home Depot, Menards etc so it's not like every venue is 15 or 20 minutes away. It's more about creating economic opportunity than "raking in the dough." Anytime someone makes a large investment of their resources for something like a ring there is a risk. Some are willing to take a shot, others won't. I was willing to. To each their own. The crowdfunding is still primarily aimed at sponsors and generating buzz and launching a project sure beats sitting around waiting for TNA, ROH or WWE to come to the empty quarter. Look at how many comments we have on here just because someone had a single idea to try to buy TNA. It might be funny to some and all that, but I wouldn't hold everyone responsible for every single thought that crossed their mind at some point. Honestly, I liked the story much better where the guy spent about $50,000 in coins from the Franklin Mint and was unable to cash them in when he retired because he didn't do any research into whether those coins would really have numismatic value in the future and just lapped up the promises made by the sales people. He ended up with about $2 or 3,000 worth of the silver coins, which were marked up ridiculously to begin with. www.highbeam.com/doc/1N1-13E73D6F6F346D48.html
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 12, 2014 19:45:13 GMT -5
Wyoming Wrestling? Are you aiming to do it in Lusk? I always thought at least a show here (state) every once in a while would be good, but... I'm just having a hard time picturing the turn out being great unless you go Gillette, Casper or Laramie/Cheyenne. The first few shows will most likely be in Lusk but that's a starting point. I can haul the ring pretty much anywhere with a venue and set up shop. I've been very cautious about throwing names of towns out there, Lusk and Manville are just the places where I have venues ready at a moment's notice and can go set the ring up pretty easily. It's more about bringing local live entertainment to the empty quarter region that usually doesn't have those kinds of events than anything. The wrestlers still get paid whether 10 people show up or 200 people show up. You gotta start somewhere. There is an MMA/UFC style promotion advertising in Torrington as well. True enough, the turnout will most likely be much better in bigger towns but the charity we are working with still could use the money, many of the kids and even adults out here still haven't even seen a live show yet and after going through all the heroics to get the belts, we still want to show them off.
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Post by Reflecto on Mar 12, 2014 23:57:47 GMT -5
Wyoming Wrestling? Are you aiming to do it in Lusk? I always thought at least a show here (state) every once in a while would be good, but... I'm just having a hard time picturing the turn out being great unless you go Gillette, Casper or Laramie/Cheyenne. The first few shows will most likely be in Lusk but that's a starting point. I can haul the ring pretty much anywhere with a venue and set up shop. I've been very cautious about throwing names of towns out there, Lusk and Manville are just the places where I have venues ready at a moment's notice and can go set the ring up pretty easily. It's more about bringing local live entertainment to the empty quarter region that usually doesn't have those kinds of events than anything. The wrestlers still get paid whether 10 people show up or 200 people show up. You gotta start somewhere. There is an MMA/UFC style promotion advertising in Torrington as well. True enough, the turnout will most likely be much better in bigger towns but the charity we are working with still could use the money, many of the kids and even adults out here still haven't even seen a live show yet and after going through all the heroics to get the belts, we still want to show them off. As long as you have a strong plan, doing it in Wyoming might be good- it's a small state, nothing else is there, and all it takes is one really good promotion to turn an area that's dead for indy wrestling into a hotbed for it (just using my local area, it's obvious with how Beyond Wrestling became big in the last year and suddenly took Rhode Island from "New England state basically ignored by the indies" to "indy wrestling hotbed" in a year or so.) If this does it right- and at least it looks like this person has a small plan, Wyoming could do the same easily.
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Post by jagilki on Mar 13, 2014 18:49:18 GMT -5
Don't take me wrong. If there was a show most anywhere in the state I'd try to show up.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 13, 2014 20:48:45 GMT -5
Jagilki, what part of Wyoming are you in?
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Post by jagilki on Mar 13, 2014 22:30:08 GMT -5
Newcastle.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Mar 14, 2014 1:59:31 GMT -5
is this thread about buying tna of this dude trying to start running some random indy shows? im not following
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 14, 2014 2:20:50 GMT -5
is this thread about buying tna of this dude trying to start running some random indy shows? im not following Started off as a thread about the guy trying to buy TNA, then someone brought up him being involved with a startup Indy company, which led to the guy in charge of the startup Indy company joining the board to contribute to the thread.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 14, 2014 10:45:34 GMT -5
is this thread about buying tna of this dude trying to start running some random indy shows? im not following Started off as a thread about the guy trying to buy TNA, then someone brought up him being involved with a startup Indy company, which led to the guy in charge of the startup Indy company joining the board to contribute to the thread. It's like that Sunny thread with Todd...except much lamer. And also, it turns we're a bunch big city folk who have no clue how rasslin in a country setting works.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 14, 2014 11:02:40 GMT -5
So the original campaign is over... and he raised 2 dollars. I don't think Panda Energy is going to go for it
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Post by BigBadZ on Mar 14, 2014 15:47:51 GMT -5
Since there's no chance of me coming to Wyoming anytime in the near future, can we take the funds from the wrestling campaign and put them towards the "Kung-Fu Master vs Drunken Army" film?
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