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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 14:17:41 GMT -5
500 run-ins in main event matches, a title belt changing hands 3 times in a month, a woman being treated like a sex object, numerous cage matches, at least two "on a pole" matches, etc.
If Russo doesn't have input, he has an evil twin.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jan 25, 2014 14:34:31 GMT -5
500 run-ins in main event matches, a title belt changing hands 3 times in a month, a woman being treated like a sex object, numerous cage matches, at least two "on a pole" matches, etc. If Russo doesn't have input, he has an evil twin. If it talks like a New Yawker and books like a New Yawker, it's Vince Russo.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 25, 2014 15:17:58 GMT -5
Seriously, with the awful way they've been booking things, what do they need Russo for?
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jan 25, 2014 17:56:02 GMT -5
I swear, when I was talking with a friend about wanting Russo back more than heel Dixie, I wasn't being serious. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm so very sorry. BURN THE WITCH!
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Post by CH Punk on Jan 25, 2014 20:44:54 GMT -5
500 run-ins in main event matches, a title belt changing hands 3 times in a month, a woman being treated like a sex object, numerous cage matches, at least two "on a pole" matches, etc. If Russo doesn't have input, he has an evil twin. If it was an evil twin, wouldn't that mean that TNA booking would be good?
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 25, 2014 22:22:56 GMT -5
Also, the return of this verbiage.
Velvet: Hey, you slutty bitch slut, how come you sleep with so many people? Brooke: How dare you say that, you're the bitchiest slut who sleeps with everybody. Velvet: Oh yeah? Well I heard you slept with one of our writers! Brooke: Oh yeah? Well I heard you have sex with Stomper and the Hostage Taking Bird!
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Post by JTG Fan on Jan 25, 2014 22:30:12 GMT -5
Also, the return of this verbiage. Velvet: Hey, you slutty bitch slut, how come you sleep with so many people? Brooke: How dare you say that, you're the bitchiest slut who sleeps with everybody. Velvet: Oh yeah? Well I heard you slept with one of our writers! Brooke: Oh yeah? Well I heard you have sex with Stomper and the Hostage Taking Bird! needs more 'glass bottom boat loving bitch'
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jan 25, 2014 22:42:13 GMT -5
I will say one thing about Vinnie Ru. His style of booking has become almost iconic in how regular it's used.
-Something odd on a pole -Wacky stipulation matches -Ridiculous run ins -The Russo Swerve (tease hitting someone with a chair, pivot hips, hit friend, turn heel) -Incredible disrespect to female performers
Like, here's another issue. Couldn't they have someone new try this? Al Snow did some writing for OVW, have him give it a shot. Something different. Bring in Gabe Sapolsky. Bring in Adam Pearce to book. Bring in former WWE writer Alex Greenfield if their horny for writers. I mean, anybody different, like, let's try something new. Even if Russo's stuff was good, it would just be old and tired. Have one of the wrestlers with the company, like, I think Abyss did some writing and booking before, let him do it. If it doesn't work, find someone else, but at least try something new.
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Post by velvetsthong on Jan 25, 2014 22:55:20 GMT -5
LOL and Samoa Joe was just trashing this guy last week. Priceless
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 25, 2014 22:58:29 GMT -5
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 25, 2014 23:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 0:23:37 GMT -5
I'm hoping that they're just keeping Russo a secret for the massive pop head scratching that will surely accompany his return.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jan 26, 2014 0:49:08 GMT -5
I'm hoping to God this is the swerve to end all swerves where even the writers aren't aware of Russo secretly swerving their plot. They'll be like "...Wait...wait but we thought the investor was...WE WROTE THIS DAMM THING HOW IS THIS--" "BECAUSE I'M VINCE RUSSO DAMMIT"
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 26, 2014 0:55:40 GMT -5
TNA when he was in charge is often praised Excuse me, but really? Praised? I think the "FIRE RUSSO" chants would COMPLETELY disagree with you.
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Post by Rave on Jan 26, 2014 2:58:29 GMT -5
TNA when he was in charge is often praised Excuse me, but really? Praised? I think the "FIRE RUSSO" chants would COMPLETELY disagree with you. I think he might mean late '09 TNA, which did get quite a bit of praise.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 26, 2014 3:11:13 GMT -5
Excuse me, but really? Praised? I think the "FIRE RUSSO" chants would COMPLETELY disagree with you. I think he might mean late '09 TNA, which did get quite a bit of praise. Yes....it did, but his overall TNA run has not gotten praise.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 4:13:06 GMT -5
TNA when he was in charge is often praised Excuse me, but really? Praised? I think the "FIRE RUSSO" chants would COMPLETELY disagree with you. Point 1: Dixie Carter herself has said that the chant during that match was for a segment booked by Dutch Mantel and not Vince Russo so there goes that logic Point 2: Impact Zone was full of smarks. The TNA audience base was a lot bigger than that. Point 3: Most people praise TNA from like 03-09. Russo was involved in booking and writing for most of those years bar 05 and I believe 06. He was around in 2010-2012 but everyone wants to hate Bischoff and Hulk for those years so if people want to blame Russo as well that'd be contradictory. In closing, people say Russo sucks and is unsuccessful simply because they don't like his style which is fine. I'm personally not a fan of Jim Cornette's booking style but to say he outright sucks and that his career has been 90% shit is very silly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 8:15:38 GMT -5
Excuse me, but really? Praised? I think the "FIRE RUSSO" chants would COMPLETELY disagree with you. Point 1: Dixie Carter herself has said that the chant during that match was for a segment booked by Dutch Mantel and not Vince Russo so there goes that logic Point 2: Impact Zone was full of smarks. The TNA audience base was a lot bigger than that. Point 3: Most people praise TNA from like 03-09. Russo was involved in booking and writing for most of those years bar 05 and I believe 06. He was around in 2010-2012 but everyone wants to hate Bischoff and Hulk for those years so if people want to blame Russo as well that'd be contradictory. In closing, people say Russo sucks and is unsuccessful simply because they don't like his style which is fine. I'm personally not a fan of Jim Cornette's booking style but to say he outright sucks and that his career has been 90% shit is very silly. I doubt Dixie knows who has booked what. Dutch has also been online where he refuted Dixie's claims. Simple facts here: 1. Dutch was the champion of the knockouts division and handled most of it. One of 2 things TNA was doing right. When he left TNA, it went down hill. 2. No one ever chanted "Fire Dutch" or anyone else for that matter. 3. Dutch walked onto WWE and 5 minutes later, the no 1 heel in the company. He even made a guy who was 2 seconds away from being "future endevoured" into a main event guy. Of course the Impact Zone is full of Smarks, so is WWE. So was ECW and WCW. Whats your point? Put on a good show and they cant complain. As for point 3. I have never heard anyone ever praise TNA. Saying "They might finally be getting it" or "That guy is gone so maybe it will start getting good" is not praise. TNA went out of business in 2003 remember. If not for Dixie bailing them out, TNA would already have died. TNA has been a constant failure and has failed miserably to gain fans or ratings at all. The budget cutter also shows Mum and Dad are getting tired of loosing money too.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 9:28:57 GMT -5
Point 1: Dixie Carter herself has said that the chant during that match was for a segment booked by Dutch Mantel and not Vince Russo so there goes that logic Point 2: Impact Zone was full of smarks. The TNA audience base was a lot bigger than that. Point 3: Most people praise TNA from like 03-09. Russo was involved in booking and writing for most of those years bar 05 and I believe 06. He was around in 2010-2012 but everyone wants to hate Bischoff and Hulk for those years so if people want to blame Russo as well that'd be contradictory. In closing, people say Russo sucks and is unsuccessful simply because they don't like his style which is fine. I'm personally not a fan of Jim Cornette's booking style but to say he outright sucks and that his career has been 90% shit is very silly. I doubt Dixie knows who has booked what. Dutch has also been online where he refuted Dixie's claims. Simple facts here: 1. Dutch was the champion of the knockouts division and handled most of it. One of 2 things TNA was doing right. When he left TNA, it went down hill. 2. No one ever chanted "Fire Dutch" or anyone else for that matter. 3. Dutch walked onto WWE and 5 minutes later, the no 1 heel in the company. He even made a guy who was 2 seconds away from being "future endevoured" into a main event guy. Of course the Impact Zone is full of Smarks, so is WWE. So was ECW and WCW. Whats your point? Put on a good show and they cant complain. As for point 3. I have never heard anyone ever praise TNA. Saying "They might finally be getting it" or "That guy is gone so maybe it will start getting good" is not praise. TNA went out of business in 2003 remember. If not for Dixie bailing them out, TNA would already have died. TNA has been a constant failure and has failed miserably to gain fans or ratings at all. The budget cutter also shows Mum and Dad are getting tired of loosing money too. First, Dixie definitely knows whats going on. I know everyone loves to play it off as Dixie being this dumb business woman who has no idea etc etc but she does. She's not a "wrestling" person but she knows who does what on her show and she has no reason to blindly defend Russo and blame Dutch Mantel. People just won't admit Dutch had a bad idea because he's an old school southern guy and has built himself a bit of a fan base in the WWE lately. Secondly, Nobody else chanted "Fire Dutch" or "Fire Cornette" because Russo is one of the easiest targets in wrestling. WCW fails? Russo's fault. TNA starts sucking? Russo's fault. Dumb angle in the WWF? Russo's fault. I mean you're even implying in your above post that Russo is responsible for Dixie Carter purchasing the company when in reality no company was going to go from "Regional Super Indy" to "National Juggernaut" in under 6 months. Yet somehow, this is Russo's fault as well. Thirdly, The time periods Russo was in charge for ALWAYS get praise around here. Hell, a lot of people would say 2004 or 2009 was TNA's best year. Both involved Russo to some extent. The shows started to die down in terms of internet hype around 2010 where Russo complained about "Too many cooks in the kitchen" Fourth, in regards to your smarks comment. What the smarks like isn't what the general public like. TNA is going that way currently and look how good the shows are. Your non smart mark wants story line wrestling with characters they enjoy. Russo can do that, not many others can. I'm not saying you have to love the guy or even like him but a lot of the hate in general is from people who just want to follow the crowd and hate Russo because everyone else does. The guy is a talented individual he just has a style that the smart marks can't appreciate. Eric Bischoff has the same issue where people just love to pile on the guy and blame him for things he had nothing to do with and then put the guy down constantly as a performer or writer or whatever simply because they don't like his style.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 26, 2014 9:42:16 GMT -5
I doubt Dixie knows who has booked what. Dutch has also been online where he refuted Dixie's claims. Simple facts here: 1. Dutch was the champion of the knockouts division and handled most of it. One of 2 things TNA was doing right. When he left TNA, it went down hill. 2. No one ever chanted "Fire Dutch" or anyone else for that matter. 3. Dutch walked onto WWE and 5 minutes later, the no 1 heel in the company. He even made a guy who was 2 seconds away from being "future endevoured" into a main event guy. Of course the Impact Zone is full of Smarks, so is WWE. So was ECW and WCW. Whats your point? Put on a good show and they cant complain. As for point 3. I have never heard anyone ever praise TNA. Saying "They might finally be getting it" or "That guy is gone so maybe it will start getting good" is not praise. TNA went out of business in 2003 remember. If not for Dixie bailing them out, TNA would already have died. TNA has been a constant failure and has failed miserably to gain fans or ratings at all. The budget cutter also shows Mum and Dad are getting tired of loosing money too. First, Dixie definitely knows whats going on. I know everyone loves to play it off as Dixie being this dumb business woman who has no idea etc etc but she does. She's not a "wrestling" person but she knows who does what on her show and she has no reason to blindly defend Russo and blame Dutch Mantel. People just won't admit Dutch had a bad idea because he's an old school southern guy and has built himself a bit of a fan base in the WWE lately. Secondly, Nobody else chanted "Fire Dutch" or "Fire Cornette" because Russo is one of the easiest targets in wrestling. WCW fails? Russo's fault. TNA starts sucking? Russo's fault. Dumb angle in the WWF? Russo's fault. I mean you're even implying in your above post that Russo is responsible for Dixie Carter purchasing the company when in reality no company was going to go from "Regional Super Indy" to "National Juggernaut" in under 6 months. Yet somehow, this is Russo's fault as well. Thirdly, The time periods Russo was in charge for ALWAYS get praise around here. Hell, a lot of people would say 2004 or 2009 was TNA's best year. Both involved Russo to some extent. The shows started to die down in terms of internet hype around 2010 where Russo complained about "Too many cooks in the kitchen" Fourth, in regards to your smarks comment. What the smarks like isn't what the general public like. TNA is going that way currently and look how good the shows are. Your non smart mark wants story line wrestling with characters they enjoy. Russo can do that, not many others can. I'm not saying you have to love the guy or even like him but a lot of the hate in general is from people who just want to follow the crowd and hate Russo because everyone else does. The guy is a talented individual he just has a style that the smart marks can't appreciate. Eric Bischoff has the same issue where people just love to pile on the guy and blame him for things he had nothing to do with and then put the guy down constantly as a performer or writer or whatever simply because they don't like his style. Fire Russo has been done more than once (AJ Styles/Frank Trigg MMA match, Sting/Abyss Last Rites Match, Electrified Cage Match) and many of those others had Vince Russo's fingerprints on them. Nobody praises Russo for his TNA run (at least not even close to as many as you think). Sorry, that is just a fact. In fact, here you are the only person who praises that run. Your non smart mark fan wants both. They want something to care about all the way through and they don't want to be freaking confused by what happens. Russo seems to forget that idea of keeping it simple.
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