khali
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Post by khali on Jan 24, 2014 21:51:10 GMT -5
Again I ask: why would anyone still think he's not recovered from the concussion and therefore won't be in the rumble? He's in a singles match on the show. They wouldn't be putting anyone still not recovered from a concussion in any sort of physical contact. End of story. Well, he may be recovered, but if they still want to be cautious with him, they may not want him pulling double duty. I'm fairly confident if he had not gotten hurt, he'd be in the Rumble as well as in the Wyatt match. But if he could only do one match, the Rumble would be the one to be in since he could be protected and not have to do much. And if the plan had really been for him to win the rumble, they wouldn't have pulled him from that match but keep him in the Wyatt match to protect his health.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jan 24, 2014 21:53:14 GMT -5
Well, he may be recovered, but if they still want to be cautious with him, they may not want him pulling double duty. I'm fairly confident if he had not gotten hurt, he'd be in the Rumble as well as in the Wyatt match. But if he could only do one match, the Rumble would be the one to be in since he could be protected and not have to do much. And if the plan had really been for him to win the rumble, they wouldn't have pulled him from that match but keep him in the Wyatt match to protect his health. Yea, I see where you are coming from. My guess to that would be that maybe since he wasn't he wasn't going to win it (if that was the plan), they might as well do the Wyatt match.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 24, 2014 21:54:37 GMT -5
Right, so you're saying they should have Batista, the guy who got Raw to average over 5 million viewers in the first hour on Monday, win the Royal Rumble then is what you're saying No, they can have Batista, the guy who got 5 million viewers in the first hour monday, have a huge marquee match with someone significant who means something more to business. You know, a WrestleMania quality match that's epic and original and actually wanted. Not a rehash of a dead stable that means nothing in 2014, with a heatless champion, and a title win that has the potential to not be well received unlike the proper alternative. Batista is already a star. WWE's job is to try and create new stars (like they did in 2005 with Batista) to replace guys like him when he inevitably breaks down or leaves. Batista getting Bryan's shot at Mania would be like Goldberg coming back and getting Batista's in 2005. It would have been clear that Goldberg was the bigger star at the time, but hindsight has shown that going with the organic flow and giving fans the payoff to their emotional effort + solid, strong, protected booking makes STARS. And it did. And does. WWE can have its cake and eat it too. That's the bottom line. Everyone can be used efficiently, correctly and satisfyingly without fear of backlash. By simply rearranging the card, Batista can have a bigger match that won't bomb and get shit on and actually mean something. (vs Lesnar, maybe?). And fans who so emotionally invested themselves in Bryan can get the proper payoff their passion and dedication deserves. And if they really wanted to have Batista have a run with the WWE WHC, they can easily just do it in late July/August, so that it coincides with Dave's big movie. It'd also give Bryan a good 3-4 month run with the belt, too. This way, you won't sacrifice Bryan's big WrestleMania payoff moment, and you'd still have a Batista title run meant to drum up interest for his role in a major motion picture.
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Post by khali on Jan 24, 2014 21:57:09 GMT -5
But if he could only do one match, the Rumble would be the one to be in since he could be protected and not have to do much. And if the plan had really been for him to win the rumble, they wouldn't have pulled him from that match but keep him in the Wyatt match to protect his health. Yea, I see where you are coming from. My guess to that would be that maybe since he wasn't he wasn't going to win it (if that was the plan), they might as well do the Wyatt match. Yeah, that I can see being the case. I just figured they didn't alter the winner for that reason. But that particular scenario you made is believable enough.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 24, 2014 21:59:21 GMT -5
There it is. That's his out; his kayfabe excuse as to why he's not in it. Now can everyone just drop it finally? All this desperate optimism is going to lead to nothing but a VERY salty and bitter forum community once the Rumble match is over. These WWE forums are supposed to be fun. Then WWE should do what the vast majority of the fans want. It'll be 'fun' again when we find out that emotional investment in a character actually leads to productive result rather than whatever manufactured nonsense WWE wants to personally push and highlight in lieu. Yeah, to just say "just get over it, guys!" is complete horseshit. If Bryan isn't in the match, that is the epitome of stupid booking decisions. They deserve to get blasted for it.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 24, 2014 22:12:26 GMT -5
No, they can have Batista, the guy who got 5 million viewers in the first hour monday, have a huge marquee match with someone significant who means something more to business. You know, a WrestleMania quality match that's epic and original and actually wanted. Not a rehash of a dead stable that means nothing in 2014, with a heatless champion, and a title win that has the potential to not be well received unlike the proper alternative. Batista is already a star. WWE's job is to try and create new stars (like they did in 2005 with Batista) to replace guys like him when he inevitably breaks down or leaves. Batista getting Bryan's shot at Mania would be like Goldberg coming back and getting Batista's in 2005. It would have been clear that Goldberg was the bigger star at the time, but hindsight has shown that going with the organic flow and giving fans the payoff to their emotional effort + solid, strong, protected booking makes STARS. And it did. And does. WWE can have its cake and eat it too. That's the bottom line. Everyone can be used efficiently, correctly and satisfyingly without fear of backlash. By simply rearranging the card, Batista can have a bigger match that won't bomb and get shit on and actually mean something. (vs Lesnar, maybe?). And fans who so emotionally invested themselves in Bryan can get the proper payoff their passion and dedication deserves. And if they really wanted to have Batista have a run with the WWE WHC, they can easily just do it in late July/August, so that it coincides with Dave's big movie. It'd also give Bryan a good 3-4 month run with the belt, too. This way, you won't sacrifice Bryan's big WrestleMania payoff moment, and you'd still have a Batista title run meant to drum up interest for his role in a major motion picture. Why can't they give Bryan a run with the belt around the same time instead so he can take the belt from someone who isn't the guy he's faced 28 times in the last year? Just because "WrestleMania"? I'd rather see a logical progression of current story telling than hotshotting the belt to Bryan to pay off a story that hasn't been mentioned in months
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 24, 2014 22:17:41 GMT -5
Again I ask: why would anyone still think he's not recovered from the concussion and therefore won't be in the rumble? He's in a singles match on the show. They wouldn't be putting anyone still not recovered from a concussion in any sort of physical contact. End of story. Well, he may be recovered, but if they still want to be cautious with him, they may not want him pulling double duty. I'm fairly confident if he had not gotten hurt, he'd be in the Rumble as well as in the Wyatt match. This is what I don't understand. If they want to be cautious with him, he should be in the Rumble INSTEAD of the Wyatt match. But if he could only do one match, the Rumble would be the one to be in since he could be protected and not have to do much. And if the plan had really been for him to win the rumble, they wouldn't have pulled him from that match but keep him in the Wyatt match to protect his health. I agree. I'm not saying that Bray Wyatt is CARELESSNESS or anything, but it just doesn't seem wise to put a guy who just came back from a concussion in a high profile singles match with a young guy with something to prove. Wyatt might go a little too hard in an attempt to impress the brass, and that might put Bryan at risk.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Jan 24, 2014 22:19:15 GMT -5
Well, he may be recovered, but if they still want to be cautious with him, they may not want him pulling double duty. I'm fairly confident if he had not gotten hurt, he'd be in the Rumble as well as in the Wyatt match. This is what I don't understand. If they want to be cautious with him, he should be in the Rumble INSTEAD of the Wyatt match. I don't disagree, but see my reply to khali - 2nd post on this page - for my thoughts on that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 22:27:26 GMT -5
This all but confirms to me he is in it and will be #30. I'm pretty sure it still means WWE hasn't decided yet on his condition and will wait until gameday. I'm pretty much sold on this now, too. If it wasn't a work, I wouldn't have expected a kayfabe explanation. I don't think WWE even knows what's going on.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 24, 2014 22:30:33 GMT -5
And if they really wanted to have Batista have a run with the WWE WHC, they can easily just do it in late July/August, so that it coincides with Dave's big movie. It'd also give Bryan a good 3-4 month run with the belt, too. This way, you won't sacrifice Bryan's big WrestleMania payoff moment, and you'd still have a Batista title run meant to drum up interest for his role in a major motion picture. Why can't they give Bryan a run with the belt around the same time instead so he can take the belt from someone who isn't the guy he's faced 28 times in the last year? Just because "WrestleMania"? I'd rather see a logical progression of current story telling than hotshotting the belt to Bryan to pay off a story that hasn't been mentioned in months What story would that be? Batista showing up one week to say he wants to be Champion? How is that a story that needs a payoff? It was pulled out of their asses five days ago. With that logic, Bryan could come out next week and say the same thing and he'd be back in the hunt. And unlike Dave, he'd at least have an unfinished story arc in need of conclusion. And it doesn't matter how many times someone wrestles if the crowd is into the chase and final victory. Rock fought HHH like 15 times in some shape or form between 99 and 2000. If the crowds weren't reacting to Bryan, I'd be the first one to say he's not the guy. But what does he have to do to at least get the same chance and opportunity on the big stage as guys like Batista or Cena? -- who, as fate would have it, weren't draws, but just popular in arenas, when they got their first big break at WrestleMania and joined the pantheon of other crowned legends at the only event that historically matters in WWE history.
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Post by Sparvid on Jan 24, 2014 22:35:59 GMT -5
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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Jan 24, 2014 23:05:02 GMT -5
I doubt Bryan is going to retire or disappear anytime soon, so there is always next year. So don't worry the world won't end if he's not maineventing wrestlemania this year.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 24, 2014 23:06:37 GMT -5
I doubt Bryan is going to retire or disappear anytime soon, so there is always next year. So don't worry the world won't end if he's not maineventing wrestlemania this year. I know that. But it just feels like Bryan not main eventing THIS WrestleMania when he's at his hottest and most over is a huge missed boat.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 24, 2014 23:10:49 GMT -5
I still think Bryan will be in the Rumble.
The whole thing just screams "work".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 23:12:22 GMT -5
Bryan will be sitting by the phone during the entire Rumble. That call could come at any time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 23:17:01 GMT -5
I doubt Bryan is going to retire or disappear anytime soon, so there is always next year. So don't worry the world won't end if he's not maineventing wrestlemania this year. True. Though if Bryan isn't main-eventing this WrestleMania, then I'm not watching it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 24, 2014 23:20:53 GMT -5
In this case, the old dogs are getting plenty of bones though. "Here Spot, take this young dog's milkbone as well."
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 24, 2014 23:25:02 GMT -5
I doubt Bryan is going to retire or disappear anytime soon, so there is always next year. So don't worry the world won't end if he's not maineventing wrestlemania this year. True. Though if Bryan isn't main-eventing this WrestleMania, then I'm not watching it. You realize that even if by some miracle he does win and faces Orton that it's not main eventing the show right?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 24, 2014 23:27:02 GMT -5
True. Though if Bryan isn't main-eventing this WrestleMania, then I'm not watching it. You realize that even if by some miracle he does win and faces Orton that it's not main eventing the show right? It should though. The part timers should only be here to put butts in seats. They should not be treated as more important than Bryan.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 24, 2014 23:28:39 GMT -5
You realize that even if by some miracle he does win and faces Orton that it's not main eventing the show right? It should though. The part timers should only be here to put butts in seats. They should not be treated as more important than Bryan. IF Bryan faces Orton for the title, then the logical card besides them would be: Undertaker vs. John Cena Batista vs. Brock Lesnar CM Punk vs. Triple H Orton vs Bryan would be the 4th most important match on the card at that point considering it's happened about 20 times over the last 6 months and these 3 matches would be what moves buys. Hell, NO match that WWE could come up with should main event over Undertaker vs Cena if it does happen
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