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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 25, 2014 0:58:41 GMT -5
No, they can have Batista, the guy who got 5 million viewers in the first hour monday, have a huge marquee match with someone significant who means something more to business. You know, a WrestleMania quality match that's epic and original and actually wanted. Not a rehash of a dead stable that means nothing in 2014, with a heatless champion, and a title win that has the potential to not be well received unlike the proper alternative. Batista is already a star. WWE's job is to try and create new stars (like they did in 2005 with Batista) to replace guys like him when he inevitably breaks down or leaves. Batista getting Bryan's shot at Mania would be like Goldberg coming back and getting Batista's in 2005. It would have been clear that Goldberg was the bigger star at the time, but hindsight has shown that going with the organic flow and giving fans the payoff to their emotional effort + solid, strong, protected booking makes STARS. And it did. And does. WWE can have its cake and eat it too. That's the bottom line. Everyone can be used efficiently, correctly and satisfyingly without fear of backlash. By simply rearranging the card, Batista can have a bigger match that won't bomb and get shit on and actually mean something. (vs Lesnar, maybe?). And fans who so emotionally invested themselves in Bryan can get the proper payoff their passion and dedication deserves. Wait...I thought according to people here, Bryan was already a star? You don't need to main event Wrestlemania to be a star. Bryan is already one, people should be happy that he is on TV every week, very over, and doesn't get treated like a chump. Imo, "Being on TV every week, very over, and not treated like a chump" is the bare minimum of what a wrestler should get. Ideally the two guys in my sig would get THAT. Bryan is a superior talent and deserves more. |
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Jan 25, 2014 1:02:26 GMT -5
Wait...I thought according to people here, Bryan was already a star? You don't need to main event Wrestlemania to be a star. Bryan is already one, people should be happy that he is on TV every week, very over, and doesn't get treated like a chump. Imo, "Being on TV every week, very over, and not treated like a chump" is the bare minimum of what a wrestler should get. Ideally the two guys in my sig would get THAT. Bryan is a superior talent and deserves more. He doesn't deserve more. Outside of being champion of the universe, Bryan has it pretty damn good compared to the just about everyone else on the roster. I don't see what's wrong with that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 1:02:41 GMT -5
Yeah, call me stubborn, but anything less than Bryan/Brock for the strap at XXX is gonna make me walk. Oh oh oh! We better see Ultimate Warrior vs. The corpse of Randy Savage at Wrestlemania XXX or I'm walking! See? I can make unrealistic expectations, too. I hope your boots are made for walking. It's a TV show. When something like, I don't know, Walking Dead (is that still popular? I have no idea. Most of my knowledge of it comes from it being shit-talked most of the time when there's a Dinner For Fiends) kills off a character you're following for, or starts going in a direction you don't want to see, people perfectly understand why you'd stop watching. Why is it wrestling always seems to get this, "Shut up and lick up what scraps they throw at you, or you're an ungrateful piece of shit," reaction compared to pretty much every other type of fiction in existence? And it's not like people don't get mad and quit other shows making it a uniquely wrestling phenomenon. Hell, the second season of Legend of Korra was terrible, and I did eventually get fed up and drop the show entirely the week before the season finale. Still haven't watched that and I don't intend to watch the third season. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 25, 2014 1:08:27 GMT -5
No, they can have Batista, the guy who got 5 million viewers in the first hour monday, have a huge marquee match with someone significant who means something more to business. You know, a WrestleMania quality match that's epic and original and actually wanted. Not a rehash of a dead stable that means nothing in 2014, with a heatless champion, and a title win that has the potential to not be well received unlike the proper alternative. Batista is already a star. WWE's job is to try and create new stars (like they did in 2005 with Batista) to replace guys like him when he inevitably breaks down or leaves. Batista getting Bryan's shot at Mania would be like Goldberg coming back and getting Batista's in 2005. It would have been clear that Goldberg was the bigger star at the time, but hindsight has shown that going with the organic flow and giving fans the payoff to their emotional effort + solid, strong, protected booking makes STARS. And it did. And does. WWE can have its cake and eat it too. That's the bottom line. Everyone can be used efficiently, correctly and satisfyingly without fear of backlash. By simply rearranging the card, Batista can have a bigger match that won't bomb and get shit on and actually mean something. (vs Lesnar, maybe?). And fans who so emotionally invested themselves in Bryan can get the proper payoff their passion and dedication deserves. Wait...I thought according to people here, Bryan was already a star? You don't need to main event Wrestlemania to be a star. Bryan is already one, people should be happy that he is on TV every week, very over, and doesn't get treated like a chump. Winning the WWE Championship at WrestleMania has been the cementing factor in every top act's career for the last 25+ years. Don't play dumb and pretend you don't already know this to be true. Take your bias of disliking Bryan out of the equation, and your online troll persona, and put someone else who was as popular and on the same fringe and tell me that they shouldn't win the Title at Mania. Should Austin have not gotten the Title match at WM 14? He after all wasn't a PPV and ratings juggernaut until after he did. Should Cena and Batista not have at WM 21, when they were in that same position: Chosen by the fans, but not yet seen as "the" guy. How about HBK at WM 12? Savage at Wm 4? What do all these things have in common? I'll answer. They were all guys who got over, some even by accident, and then got their true big break and were made Championship focal points at a WrestleMania that then launched their main event careers. All had had cups of coffees with main events prior, but it wasn't until that moment that they became true top guys because of the importance of the event and the focus it received. It's how it works. And if Bryan is another Miz, Diesel or JBL after that, then at least you'll know for sure that he's not that guy and move on without having squandered a potential opportunity. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 1:14:24 GMT -5
Wait...I thought according to people here, Bryan was already a star? You don't need to main event Wrestlemania to be a star. Bryan is already one, people should be happy that he is on TV every week, very over, and doesn't get treated like a chump. Winning the WWE Championship at WrestleMania has been the cementing factor in every top act's career for the last 25+ years. Don't play dumb and pretend you don't already know this to be true. Take your bias of disliking Bryan out of the equation, and your online troll persona, and put someone else who was as popular and on the same fringe and tell me that they shouldn't win the Title at Mania. Should Austin have not gotten the Title match at WM 14? He after all wasn't a PPV and ratings juggernaut until after he did. Should Cena and Batista not have at WM 21, when they were in that same position: Chosen by the fans, but not yet seen as "the" guy. How about HBK at WM 12? Savage at Wm 4? What do all these things have in common? I'll answer. They were all guys who got over, some even by accident, and then got their true big break and were made Championship focal points at a WrestleMania that then launched their main event careers. All had had cups of coffees with main events prior, but it wasn't until that moment that they became true top guys because of the importance of the event and the focus it received. It's how it works. And if Bryan is another Miz, Diesel or JBL after that, then at least you'll know for sure that he's not that guy and move on without having squandered a potential opportunity. Batista's really honestly probably the best case to compare to here. They were obviously, for months on end, setting up Triple H against Randy Orton for Mania 21. Then when they teased the idea that Batista had turned on Evolution, he was suddenly over huge, and even when that turned out to not be the case later in the night, he kept getting big reactions and they kept teasing it. And in that situation, they were smart enough to recognize that Orton wasn't working while Batista was the guy the fans wanted to bring down Triple H and they changed plans accordingly. Nowadays... It'd probably have been Austin or Scott Steiner or something planned to beat Triple H at Mania, but if they still had their minds set on Orton, even though he was injured by the time Mania came around they damn sure would've still had him beat Triple H while Batista probably would've been stuck in Money in the Bank. Also, to be a little bit fair, Rock has never won the title at WrestleMania. The time it would've been perfectly natural to do it, they opted to wait and give it to him at Backlash. All the same though, at least he actually got to main event Mania. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 3:56:32 GMT -5
This clears nothing up at all. If he's not in it, it's his out. Or, it could be him furthering the "WWE doesn't want me to be their guy" angle and making his eventual entrance/victory a surprise. There's 10 spots open, they're not all going to be Kevin Nash and Booker T types.
I really don't dig anything that's going on right now, there's plenty of talents I like but the people I'm most bored with seem to be getting the most focus. Depending on who does win and how it's done, Bryan not winning the Rumble might see me sell my ticket to Raw the next night and stop watching for a while. TNA killed my interest in them, WWE's getting there too, though it's not TNA bad so much as it's "welcome to 2009" bad.
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Post by The IWC WORLD Champion on Jan 25, 2014 3:58:29 GMT -5
Bryan and Punk will be the final 2 competitors, they will fued in the lead up to Wrestlemania and probably end up in a triple threat match.
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Jan 25, 2014 13:00:18 GMT -5
A new masked (yet oddly bearded) wrestler named American Dragon enters. People go nuts. He wins and unmasks to reveal Adrian Neville in a fake beard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 13:26:40 GMT -5
Frankly, what happens at wrestlemania has meant less and less every year for quite a while now.
It doesn't feel like a big ppv anymore. Now it feels like they're TELLING me how big it is instead.
Just because they sing america the beautiful and somewhere in the middle some assbag with a one hit wonder on the radio performs doesn't make the ppv important to me.
Think back to mania 29. How many matches on the card can you name without looking it up?
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Post by Viva on Jan 25, 2014 13:29:51 GMT -5
Kane's gonna fix the draw and get him in there late. My guess is #27.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 25, 2014 14:30:37 GMT -5
Wait...I thought according to people here, Bryan was already a star? You don't need to main event Wrestlemania to be a star. Bryan is already one, people should be happy that he is on TV every week, very over, and doesn't get treated like a chump. Winning the WWE Championship at WrestleMania has been the cementing factor in every top act's career for the last 25+ years. Don't play dumb and pretend you don't already know this to be true. Take your bias of disliking Bryan out of the equation, and your online troll persona, and put someone else who was as popular and on the same fringe and tell me that they shouldn't win the Title at Mania. Should Austin have not gotten the Title match at WM 14? He after all wasn't a PPV and ratings juggernaut until after he did. Should Cena and Batista not have at WM 21, when they were in that same position: Chosen by the fans, but not yet seen as "the" guy. How about HBK at WM 12? Savage at Wm 4? What do all these things have in common? I'll answer. They were all guys who got over, some even by accident, and then got their true big break and were made Championship focal points at a WrestleMania that then launched their main event careers. All had had cups of coffees with main events prior, but it wasn't until that moment that they became true top guys because of the importance of the event and the focus it received. It's how it works. And if Bryan is another Miz, Diesel or JBL after that, then at least you'll know for sure that he's not that guy and move on without having squandered a potential opportunity. Rock didn't get that and he was fine. Also, Cena beat JBL on the undercard--that wasn't a big Wrestlemania-closing, star-solidifying moment for him and he was fully solidified as the top guy by the time he main evented with HHH the following year. Not everything has to happen how it's happened for others in the past. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 14:34:27 GMT -5
Winning the WWE Championship at WrestleMania has been the cementing factor in every top act's career for the last 25+ years. Don't play dumb and pretend you don't already know this to be true. Take your bias of disliking Bryan out of the equation, and your online troll persona, and put someone else who was as popular and on the same fringe and tell me that they shouldn't win the Title at Mania. Should Austin have not gotten the Title match at WM 14? He after all wasn't a PPV and ratings juggernaut until after he did. Should Cena and Batista not have at WM 21, when they were in that same position: Chosen by the fans, but not yet seen as "the" guy. How about HBK at WM 12? Savage at Wm 4? What do all these things have in common? I'll answer. They were all guys who got over, some even by accident, and then got their true big break and were made Championship focal points at a WrestleMania that then launched their main event careers. All had had cups of coffees with main events prior, but it wasn't until that moment that they became true top guys because of the importance of the event and the focus it received. It's how it works. And if Bryan is another Miz, Diesel or JBL after that, then at least you'll know for sure that he's not that guy and move on without having squandered a potential opportunity. Rock didn't get that and he was fine. Also, Cena beat JBL on the undercard--that wasn't a big Wrestlemania-closing, star-solidifying moment for him and he was fully solidified as the top guy by the time he main evented with HHH the following year. Not everything has to happen how it's happened for others in the past. The "undercard" match was the one before last match on the show, and saw him ending the longest title run in ten years. And even then, Batista's rise was the focus more that year and he closed out the show and won decisively. Plus, even if the Batista / Orton, "Gee, Triple H sure is awesome," match no one wanted to see eight years ago when they first planned it is what's best from a financial perspective (which I don't remotely believe to be the case), why should we care? It's not like WWE's quarters remotely matter to my Raw viewing experience, and as a viewer, I want to see Bryan in the main event. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 15:25:15 GMT -5
Bryan and Punk will be the final 2 competitors, they will fued in the lead up to Wrestlemania and probably end up in a triple threat match. And Rey will win that coveted world title in memory of his brother Eddie! |
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 25, 2014 15:59:46 GMT -5
Rock didn't get that and he was fine. Also, Cena beat JBL on the undercard--that wasn't a big Wrestlemania-closing, star-solidifying moment for him and he was fully solidified as the top guy by the time he main evented with HHH the following year. Not everything has to happen how it's happened for others in the past. The "undercard" match was the one before last match on the show, and saw him ending the longest title run in ten years. And even then, Batista's rise was the focus more that year and he closed out the show and won decisively. Plus, even if the Batista / Orton, "Gee, Triple H sure is awesome," match no one wanted to see eight years ago when they first planned it is what's best from a financial perspective (which I don't remotely believe to be the case), why should we care? It's not like WWE's quarters remotely matter to my Raw viewing experience, and as a viewer, I want to see Bryan in the main event. So do I. I was just pointing out that Bryan can be a top star without main eventing this year's Mania. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 16:01:58 GMT -5
Frankly, what happens at wrestlemania has meant less and less every year for quite a while now. It doesn't feel like a big ppv anymore. Now it feels like they're TELLING me how big it is instead. Just because they sing america the beautiful and somewhere in the middle some assbag with a one hit wonder on the radio performs doesn't make the ppv important to me. Think back to mania 29. How many matches on the card can you name without looking it up? Taker vs CM Punk Brock vs Triple H Cena vs Rock Those are the only ones I can remember right now. Those were all I could come up with too. Oh yeah the Bryan/Sheamus "match" |
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