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Post by An Old Villain on Jan 26, 2014 1:31:41 GMT -5
My opinion is that, beyond wearing a suit and promoting the company on C level shows, the guy is rather useless. My opinion however does not matter, and neither does yours. Opinions that do matter come from his peers...or more accurately his coworkers. While watching the 'Seth Rollins peed under the ring' interview, I noticed that Seth takes a jab at Mizs finish. This, coupled with the Bad News Barrett bit from Smackdown, made me realize that folks within the company aren't shy about sharing their feelings about ol' Mizzy. ITT we post videos, stories, clips, etc of folks in THIS BUSINESS giving their opinions on the Miz. Clip 1: The previously mentioned Seth Rollins interview (at 3:10) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywSD_b33KJMClip 2: Alberto Del Rio thinks Miz is a "loud, stupid little kid" www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA8Pp4gN5FE
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 26, 2014 1:37:53 GMT -5
What went wrong with the guy? He came in and most people hated him like they do now, but he improved his game, got respect and won the title... then it just all fell off a cliff and he's basically right back where he started.
Was it booking? Did he peak and just not get any better, or even regress? Is it something as petty as the fact he gets Maryse any time he wants her?
(Sorry, I typed this just as the guy above essentially said the same thing)
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 26, 2014 1:43:45 GMT -5
If Miz is gonna be floundering in he midcard, he should be running that shit. He should be the "top face" of the midcard. Not the Kofi Kingston jobber to the stars role, but he should always have something to do and he should be hovering around the Intercontinental and Tag Title scenes.
I actually LIKE Miz's "annoying" personality. WWE tries so hard to push these uppercard comedy faces who spout goofy one liners. It doesn't work for a guy like Sheamus, but Miz was made to be that type of character.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 26, 2014 1:44:10 GMT -5
R Truth getting suspended and the burial of Awesome Truth by Rock/Cena destroyed him (and R Truth).
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 26, 2014 1:46:36 GMT -5
I like Miz. I think Seth's jab at him wasn't so bad, and really, I don't think he was saying it'd be realistic to hit the move a whole lot harder than that, just that as a kid, your expectations are going to much more brutal than the reality.
Del Rio is just kind of a dick.
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Post by slappy on Jan 26, 2014 1:46:49 GMT -5
Yes. They screwed him over. The main feud he had was against Jerry Lawler. He feuded with Randy Orton but he beat him for the title so it's a given he'd face him. Sure, he won in the main event of WrestleMania but even in victory he was the third wheel in the Rock/Cena feud. Ever since Awesome Truth ended he's been jerked around. It's not like the crowd didn't react to him. They certainly did. In interviews with different wrestlers, he seems to be the Al Snow to their Mick Foley. They like him but they also like making fun of him.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 26, 2014 1:47:45 GMT -5
The Rollins comment strikes me as less vicious and more some light jabs at his delivery of a move.
In my honest opinion Miz and WWE would do some good if he took some time off from the company. Matt Hardy reached a point where he seemed to stop caring and regress, and his indy stuff, especially ROH run has completely turned his work and persona around. Get Miz off TV, let the audience forget (or at least not immediately think of) the crappy last year and a half of his career, and see if the guy can recharge and refresh himself in a new scene. If he can't, well you haven't lost much, if he can than you got somebody to bring a year and a half or two years from now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 1:51:17 GMT -5
What went wrong with the guy? He came in and most people hated him like they do now, but he improved his game, got respect and won the title... then it just all fell off a cliff and he's basically right back where he started. Was it booking? Did he peak and just not get any better, or even regress? Is it something as petty as the fact he gets Maryse any time he wants her? (Sorry, I typed this just as the guy above essentially said the same thing) I think the booking failed him. I loved his act when he had Alex Riley as his wingman and Michael Cole as the complete fanboy (ignoring that Michael Cole in that position killed the rest of the shows). Then one way or another they get it in their heads to take Riley and Cole out of the picture and things just got weird. There was the feud with Riley that never really got resolved, that strange tournament where they had Mix as a heel getting face pops because they had him power through it with a gimmicked injury, which prompted a shoehorned face turn that didn't work. I loved his title run, I loved the total bullshit defenses that he eked out, I think he could have kept him as a main event guy if they kept him as the weaselly guy he was. I almost have to question if the Rock completely f***ed him over, because it really felt like WWE was all in with him until he showed up, then they saw an opening for more risk free status quo and that was that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 1:55:31 GMT -5
I think Miz got really f***ed on his face turn horribly.
There's been some judgments on Miz based on his title run (which was also badly booked, rather than badly played by the Miz) that have just stuck with him even on this forum.
You know how we say "so and so improved blah blah blah" and it's always synonymous with "this person sucked then and they suck now, but I happen to like them now so lets play pretend?"
Miz actually improved. He improved ALOT. In the ring and on the stick. His heel work in the midcard way back when was excellent. Remember him mentoring Bryan and then the feud? He was tailor made for that feud and did really well in it. This was at a time when the crowd could give 2 shits about Bryan, but Miz made them care. He carried Bryan in the fan's eyes from "some indy guy we don't care about" to "This guy is pretty cool I'm going to keep an eye on him"
If you replaced Miz with someone else, I'm not so sure Bryan would have ever won MITB.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Jan 26, 2014 1:57:11 GMT -5
This would be a great sitcom.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 1:57:46 GMT -5
I don't see how that comment from Rollins was anything vicious or vile towards the Miz. Seems like the kind of comment you'd make about somebody you like, but pick at a lot of the time. That seems to be Miz's role with a lot of guys. They pick at him, and you don't generally do that with people you outright dislike.
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Post by An Old Villain on Jan 26, 2014 2:01:41 GMT -5
I think Miz got really f***ed on his face turn horribly. There's been some judgments on Miz based on his title run (which was also badly booked, rather than badly played by the Miz) that have just stuck with him even on this forum. You know how we say "so and so improved blah blah blah" and it's always synonymous with "this person sucked then and they suck now, but I happen to like them now so lets play pretend?" Miz actually improved. He improved ALOT. In the ring and on the stick. His heel work in the midcard way back when was excellent. Remember him mentoring Bryan and then the feud? He was tailor made for that feud and did really well in it. This was at a time when the crowd could give 2 shits about Bryan, but Miz made them care. He carried Bryan in the fan's eyes from "some indy guy we don't care about" to "This guy is pretty cool I'm going to keep an eye on him" I cant find the clip but this reminds me of Punk and Regal making fun of Miz at NXT season 1.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jan 26, 2014 2:06:24 GMT -5
Miz peaked for me around 2010. To me, he's been horrible for the last couple of years. He often makes me want to change the channel.
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Post by dvdvrgonzalez on Jan 26, 2014 2:09:06 GMT -5
I don't see how that comment from Rollins was anything vicious or vile towards the Miz. Seems like the kind of comment you'd make about somebody you like, but pick at a lot of the time. That seems to be Miz's role with a lot of guys. They pick at him, and you don't generally do that with people you outright dislike. It's not very vicious, but it shows the lack of respect people have for Miz who at one point was supposed to be "The Guy". Let's just say this... If that interviewer was talking about Cena's AA, do you think Rollins would have made a innocent little joke about the way he performed it?
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Post by sybaku on Jan 26, 2014 2:09:56 GMT -5
Batistas Fault
The Miz's rape eyes have transfixed Maryse thereby preventing the gravitational pull between Divas and Batistas penis, the locker room has become jealous because The Miz has never had his girlfriend stolen by Batista inciting jealousy and hatred from the lockerroom.
Punk doesn't hate him, long ago Miz gave Punk the rape eyes and Punk has had confusing sexual frustration towards Miz ever since. Punk expresses this frustration by hating Miz and attempting to mask his true feelings by nailing every diva he can find.
JBL.... Well the story of Miz and JBL is not a tale for today.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jan 26, 2014 2:18:49 GMT -5
His booking post title reign killed it for me. First he shouldn't have lost his title in a Triple Threat cage match because a reign like his deserved having Cena severely putting his career at a near-end to take the title off him. Then his feud with Riley was alright but never got resolved. His tournament run made no sense at all considering he was a heel booked face. Why the hell would you make the entire roster scared of Miz & R-Truth? Then his losing streak that lasted forever failed him.
He was decent around 2012 though with his IC reign but the second he turned face, holy crap was that a mistake. A guy like Miz is meant to be disliked and if he ever turns face, it has to be a huge moment, not a "Put me on your team so you have 5 guys!" face turn.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 2:27:12 GMT -5
His booking post title reign killed it for me. First he shouldn't have lost his title in a Triple Threat cage match because a reign like his deserved having Cena severely putting his career at a near-end to take the title off him. Then his feud with Riley was alright but never got resolved. His tournament run made no sense at all considering he was a heel booked face. Why the hell would you make the entire roster scared of Miz & R-Truth? Then his losing streak that lasted forever failed him. He was decent around 2012 though with his IC reign but the second he turned face, holy crap was that a mistake. A guy like Miz is meant to be disliked and if he ever turns face, it has to be a huge moment, not a "Put me on your team so you have 5 guys!" face turn. IMO Miz shouldn't have won the world title. Not because he sucks and doesn't deserve it, but because he was excellent as a gatekeeper heel who you have to deal with on the way. Heel Miz was MADE for the upper card (Yes upper card, I'm trying to phase out the term "upper mid card" please join me) and he should have hung out there. Much like Kane.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 26, 2014 2:29:09 GMT -5
I certainly don't hate the guy. My tolerance of him has become more moderate, due to the fact that I don't find him a threat to the WWE title anymore, along with making improvements to his look and wrestling a style that at least is more fitting of someone like him. That said, he's still well out of his league.
To me, he'll forever be the poster child of having too much too soon, or the most undeserving champion ever, because he fit the model in both cases. While there might have been people in the past who couldn't have been less interested in becoming champion, at least when they did, they looked or wrestled the part. When it happened with Miz, I immediately found myself questioning the decision made because nothing warranted it.
I've tirelessly addressed every problem in the past regarding his time as champion, and at the end of the day, whatever the booking did, he didn't do himself any favors either. No matter how awful the writing can be, if you're still a major part of the show, let alone champion...you still have it made. Miz had 160 days to prove to me why he was THE guy, and he didn't do it. You can argue that feuding with Lawler or being a 3rd wheel in a Cena/Rock program didn't help him, but I guarantee if you put Ziggler or Punk in that same situation, they could make it work or at least keep you engaged until they moved on. Miz does not have this ability. He was doomed from the start because he never should have been there to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 2:32:13 GMT -5
I certainly don't hate the guy. My tolerance of him has become more moderate, due to the fact that I don't find him a threat to the WWE title anymore, along with making improvements to his look and wrestling a style that at least is more fitting of someone like him. That said, he's still well out of his league. To me, he'll forever be the poster child of having too much too soon, or the most undeserving champion ever, because he fit the model in both cases. While there might have been people in the past who couldn't have been less interested in becoming champion, at least when they did, they looked or wrestled the part. When it happened with Miz, I immediately found myself questioning the decision made because nothing warranted it. I've tirelessly addressed every problem in the past regarding his time as champion, and at the end of the day, whatever the booking did, he didn't do himself any favors either. No matter how awful the writing can be, if you're still a major part of the show, let alone champion...you still have it made. Miz had 160 days to prove to me why he was THE guy, and he didn't do it. You can argue that feuding with Lawler or being a 3rd wheel in a Cena/Rock program didn't help him, but I guarantee if you put Ziggler or Punk in that same situation, they could make it work or at least keep you engaged until they moved on. Miz does not have this ability. He was doomed from the start because he never should have been there to begin with. Miz could never be THE guy and shouldn't have been placed in that position. And no, Ziggler would not have made it work. Punk would have, not Ziggler. Ziggler would fail at it for the same reasons Miz did, and Miz is a better talker than Ziggler by a fair margin.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jan 26, 2014 2:37:03 GMT -5
His booking post title reign killed it for me. First he shouldn't have lost his title in a Triple Threat cage match because a reign like his deserved having Cena severely putting his career at a near-end to take the title off him. Then his feud with Riley was alright but never got resolved. His tournament run made no sense at all considering he was a heel booked face. Why the hell would you make the entire roster scared of Miz & R-Truth? Then his losing streak that lasted forever failed him. He was decent around 2012 though with his IC reign but the second he turned face, holy crap was that a mistake. A guy like Miz is meant to be disliked and if he ever turns face, it has to be a huge moment, not a "Put me on your team so you have 5 guys!" face turn. IMO Miz shouldn't have won the world title. Not because he sucks and doesn't deserve it, but because he was excellent as a gatekeeper heel who you have to deal with on the way. Heel Miz was MADE for the upper card (Yes upper card, I'm trying to phase out the term "upper mid card" please join me) and he should have hung out there. Much like Kane. I think Miz was the type of guy who you give the world title to after becoming a major face (which obviously is never happening at this rate). At the time, he was getting huge pops despite being a top heel and if he turned face in a major way, he would have easily been a strong champion. Instead they went the obvious route of MITB -> Weaselly heel champion.
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