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Post by Allison Reynolds on Jan 27, 2014 6:06:14 GMT -5
Well, I've never really posted full thoughts in this section in a long time, But for once I've never disagreed more with everyone on the boards who legitimately thought the match was an awful one or posted "Boring" gifs/pics - because it wasn't. It was a solid match. So I was reading the Royal Rumble thread during the section people were watching the match live. I'm just really confused, and I've been seriously shaking my head at the majority of reactions in the RR thread, because people were crapping on it the whole time and calling the match awful, and boring and it was FAR from it. It really feels like so many people had some preconceived notions about it before Orton or Cena even had a chance to prove they could work a good match, especially with the loud crowd reaction, I think reinforcing the hate just because it's Cena and Orton. For one, I entirely enjoyed the crowd reaction, because it allowed John Cena and especially Randy Orton (who did it perfectly entertaining with the taunts and Legend Killer Poses and stuff like that) and I just always enjoy the entertaining crowd chants. Just going to Quote Ric here, because I agree entirely: What the- I'm not sure what's going on here or if I watched the same show as everyone else, but that match wasn't bad at all. I enjoyed the match and I think both guys did a great job working off the crowd. Orton doing those Legend Killer poses he used to do in response was fun. I actually think the hate sometimes goes unwarranted. I think it was a damn good match, second to Bray/Bryan on the night and probably the best those two have had. Match didn't deserve the hate, booking did.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 6:09:50 GMT -5
I disagree. Personally, to me when you took the chants out of it the whole thing was them trading finishers back and forth, with a meaningless ref bump in there for basically no reason. It's not like it was the worst match I've ever seen (far from it - it was perfectly tolerable, I suppose, just not remotely remarkable or something I'd ever actually want to be watching), but I don't have anything good to say about it.
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Jan 27, 2014 6:10:27 GMT -5
It's two people that no-one wants to see wrestle again, never mind hogging the main event title match yet again. People are bored. There are guys that the audience love and want to see in those matches and instead we're being force-fed the same old shit.
WWE can hype it as "the biggest rematch of all time" like that even means anything. Fans just don't care about Orton vs Cena in 2014.
For what it's worth, it was an average match. Pretty boring, seen it all before. The fact they started using each other's finishing moves to try and inject some interest says it all.
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Post by The IWC WORLD Champion on Jan 27, 2014 6:12:53 GMT -5
I never watched it myself, but from what I am reading it seems akin to trying to get a kid to enjoy his saturday morning cartoons after you taken his candy away.
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Post by BEARD on Jan 27, 2014 6:17:47 GMT -5
It's two people that no-one wants to see wrestle again, never mind hogging the main event title match yet again. People are bored. There are guys that the audience love and want to see in those matches and instead we're being force-fed the same old shit. WWE can hype it as "the biggest rematch of all time" like that even means anything. Fans just don't care about Orton vs Cena in 2014. For what it's worth, it was an average match. Pretty boring, seen it all before. The fact they started using each other's finishing moves to try and inject some interest says it all. Not no one exactly. I for one missed their entire feud before this because I wasn't watching in 2007 or whenever it was. But people seem to assume that everyone watches all the time.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Jan 27, 2014 6:22:35 GMT -5
i don't think it's the match quality people were getting on, but more that it's the same people that have been in the main event for nearly a decade main eventing again. I just think the fans are desperate for something different.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Jan 27, 2014 6:23:15 GMT -5
Before the ref bump, It was absoluty AWFUL. They looked like a video game. Hit move rest hold, hit move rest hold. No story telling whatsoever. And after the ref spot, they kinda put more effort but it turned into hit finisher, pin, kickout. Repeat.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Jan 27, 2014 6:27:22 GMT -5
I understand that people don't want to see the match again, it's a "been there seen that" situation, I get it. I'm not the biggest supporter of these guys either, but it truly felt like because it was Them (Randy Orton and John Cena), people were going to hate it by default. I certainly wasn't expecting much, but got more than that from them tonight. It was the booking of that match, but not the match itself that was lame. Truly wasn't so awful as the entire Royal Rumble thread made it out to be.
I never watched it myself, but from what I am reading it seems akin to trying to get a kid to enjoy his saturday morning cartoons after you taken his candy away. Honestly, I feel like if I hadn't ordered this Royal Rumble PPV, I'd have believed what nearly everyone on FAN said about it, because I legitimately respect and almost always agree with what folks have to say here. So after seeing it myself I just have an entirely different opinion and perspective on it, which is sorta strange for me and inspired me to make this thread.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 27, 2014 6:27:36 GMT -5
I felt bad for them as performers as they were simply victims of a backlash against a corporation that they're seen as coddled and protected avatars for. But to me, the fact remains: there was no demand for this match. No one has cared about any of it since long before TLC. The match didn't need to happen.
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Post by The IWC WORLD Champion on Jan 27, 2014 6:31:07 GMT -5
Following wreslting to me feels like reading a choose your own adventure book, but the book makes the choices for you. If that makes any sense.
I mean they preach fan interaction, but then put their fingers in their ears going la la la.
We will know for sure next time they do a Fans call the shots voting thing on the app. My guess they will either not put Daniel Bryan in the voting what so ever, or just leave him out and say thats what the WWE 'Universe' (snigger, sorry I can't help that) voted for.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jan 27, 2014 6:34:38 GMT -5
I disagree. It was two guys I've seen wrestle a hundred times before having the same basic match I've seen a hundred times before in an angle that I don't care about, to me that's a bad match. They were working rest spots two minutes in for a crowd they knew weren't happy to not see Bryan in that position. That seems real f***ing logical, "They're gonna hate this match so we better do all we can to antagonize them before we get to the one awesome sequence in this overly long snoozefest."
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Post by BigBadZ on Jan 27, 2014 6:48:22 GMT -5
I disagree. It was two guys I've seen wrestle a hundred times before having the same basic match I've seen a hundred times before in an angle that I don't care about, to me that's a bad match. They were working rest spots two minutes in for a crowd they knew weren't happy to not see Bryan in that position. That seems real f***ing logical, "They're gonna hate this match so we better do all we can to antagonize them before we get to the one awesome sequence in this overly long snoozefest." I got the impression that anytime the crowd chanted 'boring' it was codeword for rest hold. Between that and the extremely slow pacing, this match wasn't very good. I know Orton was just trying to antagonize the fans but if you're getting the dreaded boring chant, you should probably change your game plan a little bit and attempt to win the crowd over.
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Post by Johnny on Jan 27, 2014 7:13:23 GMT -5
One of the best things about the royal rumble, is that they usually give a newer guy a shot at the title. So many guys would have benefitted from a title match against Orton last night.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Jan 27, 2014 7:17:37 GMT -5
It was fine...just like their other 629,811 matches have been.
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Post by Boo! on Jan 27, 2014 7:24:02 GMT -5
It was the best championship match there's been in a long while. Definitely their best one of the series between the two.
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Post by r. on Jan 27, 2014 7:26:39 GMT -5
It was as bd/good as their other 54,038 matches
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Post by The Lex Espresso on Jan 27, 2014 7:30:40 GMT -5
Up until the ref took a pointless bump it was an incredibly dull match. Orton had Cena in a rest hold in what felt like the first 30 seconds, and it almost felt like they knew the crowd didn't want to see them face each other yet again, so they were deliberately trolling them. As somebody else said, it felt like a video game - and an old, not very good one at that.
Other than Cena hitting a weird modified neckbreaker thing which was kinda interesting, I thought it was terrible, dull, hokey and just not necessary. By far the weakest match on the card, and I usually want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon after a Big Show match these days. I was happy when the Wyatt's showed up because it meant the damned thing was over with.
Random aside: when was the last time Orton went for the punt and actually connected with it?
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Jan 27, 2014 7:42:31 GMT -5
Oh I see the reasoning now. It's the fact that after several encounters in the past, that the match even existed in the first place.
Understandable.
I guess, I just have a different perspective when it comes to watching WWE or try to be as unbiased as possible (Daniel Bryan should have at least been in the Royal Rumble match! CM Punk/Roman Reigns should have won, Batista didn't need it, etc.) when I go into these things and try to keep an open-mindedness for these things. Not a slight at any of you guys btw, just some meta-cognition on my part.
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Post by The Lex Espresso on Jan 27, 2014 7:51:46 GMT -5
Oh I see the reasoning now. It's the fact that after several encounters in the past, that the match even existed in the first place. Understandable. I guess, I just have a different perspective when it comes to watching WWE or try to be as unbiased as possible (Daniel Bryan should have at least been in the Royal Rumble match! CM Punk/Roman Reigns should have won, Batista didn't need it, etc.) when I go into these things and try to keep an open-mindedness for these things. Not a slight at any of you guys btw, just some meta-cognition on my part. Partly, yes, but I thought the match was mechanically terrible too - and I actually quite enjoy Cena matches most of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 8:03:13 GMT -5
First move of the match - a minute long headlock combo. No wonder the crowd wasn't having it and chanted boring.
The whole match was just the same old same old, been there done that. They didn't even try to offer something fresh or new. It was just phoning it in for 20 minutes, awaiting the interference.
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