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Post by percymania on Jan 27, 2014 20:22:43 GMT -5
It wasn't a great match either. If you've seen these two wrestle before, you missed nothing in this match. Cena doing the RKO was the only spot I hadn't seen before. Other than that, it was standard fare for these two. I wouldn't put it in the top 3 Cena/Orton matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 9:37:02 GMT -5
Orton and Cena are so much better when they're not wrestling each other. Both guys have had much, MUCH better matches recently. Sure, I didn't want to see it in the first place. But the actual match just felt lifeless and robotic. I don't have a problem with headlocks and "restholds", it's a wrestling match and they're wrestling holds, ya know? My problem was the complete lack of intensity (especially considering the "you beat up my dad!" aspect) and creativity. It reminded me of Miz vs. Cena at WrestleMania 27. Sometimes, you can just feel it when guys aren't really psyched. That's the feeling I got from Orton/Cena. They probably knew the match was going to get shit on, that could certainly affect the emotion of a match.
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Post by Ryushinku on Jan 28, 2014 9:58:21 GMT -5
It wasn't some travesty, worst match of the year nominee or anything like that. Maybe given the build/positioning, but not in pure terms.
But it wasn't much good at all. And one of the few times I could directly point to Cena dogging it. By this point I get the feeling even he's bored of the feud, and he normally puts in his best shot in matches.
Orton, well, I don't know what the hell's going on there as he had a really good run of performances around this time last year but he's having a real nose-dive of work. He's been dogging it in the ring for months now, as if all the Bryan/Authority related stuff has hurt his mojo rather than helped it.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Jan 28, 2014 12:48:27 GMT -5
Well, I've actually just gotten around to watching the match, so I can weigh in on this a little more besides pointing out the obvious problem (no one wanting to see yet another Orton/Cena championship match).
The match itself was rather solid. Yes, they've had much better matches against other people, but it certainly wasn't a disaster in terms of a performance.
The biggest problem for me is that they got the story of the match completely and utterly wrong. The booking leading up to the match was that Orton had put Cena's dad in the hospital (yeah, I can't believe they went down that road again either, but maybe some fans didn't see that first time around, so I can kind of excuse it).
Bottom line is, Orton made it personal. Why in the hell would Cena get in there and start trading headlocks with the guy that assaulted his father?! If I were in John Cena's shoes, I'd say f*** the title and f*** the headlocks, I'm gonna kill this prick! That's what the story of the match demanded- a fight, not a wrestling match.
Compare this to what Brock Lesnar did to Big Show earlier in the PPV. Show did hardly anything to piss Lesnar off prior to their match. Did Brock go in there to trade headlocks with Show? No, he went in there with the intention to maim him. After seeing that, why would I accept John Cena having a by the books wrestling match with a guy who hospitalized his own father as logical?
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Post by barelybeastmode on Jan 28, 2014 13:16:11 GMT -5
Well, I've actually just gotten around to watching the match, so I can weigh in on this a little more besides pointing out the obvious problem (no one wanting to see yet another Orton/Cena championship match). The match itself was rather solid. Yes, they've had much better matches against other people, but it certainly wasn't a disaster in terms of a performance. The biggest problem for me is that they got the story of the match completely and utterly wrong. The booking leading up to the match was that Orton had put Cena's dad in the hospital (yeah, I can't believe they went down that road again either, but maybe some fans didn't see that first time around, so I can kind of excuse it). Bottom line is, Orton made it personal. Why in the hell would Cena get in there and start trading headlocks with the guy that assaulted his father?! If I were in John Cena's shoes, I'd say f*** the title and f*** the headlocks, I'm gonna kill this prick! That's what the story of the match demanded- a fight, not a wrestling match. Compare this to what Brock Lesnar did to Big Show earlier in the PPV. Show did hardly anything to piss Lesnar off prior to their match. Did Brock go in there to trade headlocks with Show? No, he went in there with the intention to maim him. After seeing that, why would I accept John Cena having a by the books wrestling match with a guy who hospitalized his own father as logical?  I absolutely agree with everything said there. Most especially with the lack of emotion and psychology during the match. There was no passion, no energy and because of that, no continuity. Just bland mechanical wrestling with some trolling thrown in for good measure. |
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Post by shaker on Jan 28, 2014 13:41:48 GMT -5
Perfectly average match. Nothing spectacular but nothing bad at all.
It was just a case where NOBODY really cared about it. Like Del Rio and Miz could have a good match, but nobody would give a crap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 13:49:14 GMT -5
Well, I've actually just gotten around to watching the match, so I can weigh in on this a little more besides pointing out the obvious problem (no one wanting to see yet another Orton/Cena championship match). The match itself was rather solid. Yes, they've had much better matches against other people, but it certainly wasn't a disaster in terms of a performance. The biggest problem for me is that they got the story of the match completely and utterly wrong. The booking leading up to the match was that Orton had put Cena's dad in the hospital (yeah, I can't believe they went down that road again either, but maybe some fans didn't see that first time around, so I can kind of excuse it). Bottom line is, Orton made it personal. Why in the hell would Cena get in there and start trading headlocks with the guy that assaulted his father?! If I were in John Cena's shoes, I'd say f*** the title and f*** the headlocks, I'm gonna kill this prick! That's what the story of the match demanded- a fight, not a wrestling match. Compare this to what Brock Lesnar did to Big Show earlier in the PPV. Show did hardly anything to piss Lesnar off prior to their match. Did Brock go in there to trade headlocks with Show? No, he went in there with the intention to maim him. After seeing that, why would I accept John Cena having a by the books wrestling match with a guy who hospitalized his own father as logical? Bingo. The last thing we saw in the feud before the match was them brawling all over the arena. So then, when they face off, they get into this tat-for-tat exchange of very slowly hitting each other's big moves. Bland. Boring. |
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Post by 4TheGlory on Jan 28, 2014 13:53:25 GMT -5
All I got out of it was a lazy house show caliber match disguised as being better by finisher stealing and lots of kick outs. Add a ref bump and an unclean finish...yeah this match was crap.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 28, 2014 14:03:23 GMT -5
Well, I've actually just gotten around to watching the match, so I can weigh in on this a little more besides pointing out the obvious problem (no one wanting to see yet another Orton/Cena championship match). The match itself was rather solid. Yes, they've had much better matches against other people, but it certainly wasn't a disaster in terms of a performance. The biggest problem for me is that they got the story of the match completely and utterly wrong. The booking leading up to the match was that Orton had put Cena's dad in the hospital (yeah, I can't believe they went down that road again either, but maybe some fans didn't see that first time around, so I can kind of excuse it). Bottom line is, Orton made it personal. Why in the hell would Cena get in there and start trading headlocks with the guy that assaulted his father?! If I were in John Cena's shoes, I'd say f*** the title and f*** the headlocks, I'm gonna kill this prick! That's what the story of the match demanded- a fight, not a wrestling match. Compare this to what Brock Lesnar did to Big Show earlier in the PPV. Show did hardly anything to piss Lesnar off prior to their match. Did Brock go in there to trade headlocks with Show? No, he went in there with the intention to maim him. After seeing that, why would I accept John Cena having a by the books wrestling match with a guy who hospitalized his own father as logical? Same thing happened with that Orton/HHH mania match. Orton was terrorizing the Mcmahons, punting Shane and Vince, molesting Steph, HHH invades his home, etc. and it resulted in a standard, heatless match. You'd think they would've learned from their mistakes. |
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Post by Raskovnik on Jan 28, 2014 14:17:25 GMT -5
All I got out of it was a lazy house show caliber match disguised as being better by finisher stealing and lots of kick outs. Add a ref bump and an unclean finish...yeah this match was crap. Then Cena walked away smiling. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 14:33:00 GMT -5
It was a bad match. Here's the reasons why- 1. Opened with a long resthold. 2. First half the match was resthold city 3. Last half of the match they just traded finishers 4. No psychology. They acted hurt until it was time to stop acting hurt, and they didn't do it in a cool no selling, strong style way, they were just hurt one minute, fine the next 5. The rehashed, unnecessary storyline going in. Orton punching Cena's dad again created zero heat for the match 6. No gimmick. How and why would you follow a TLC match with a traditional one? 7. The interference was lame. I guess Wyatt didn't like Orton's comments, which is fine, but why did Randy start trash talking him in the first place? Didn't the guy just take out his main nemesis of last year? 8. Why does an RKO that "comes out of nowhere!" not work, but a distraction RKO works. Number seven has an explanation, Renee (did she do the interview? Think so. And I think it's the one where she screwed up and said WWF) mentioned at the start of it that Bray was now looking for a title shot himself. And I guess for eight you could argue Cena was worn down by that point. |
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 28, 2014 15:00:27 GMT -5
It was a bad match. Here's the reasons why- 1. Opened with a long resthold. 2. First half the match was resthold city 3. Last half of the match they just traded finishers 4. No psychology. They acted hurt until it was time to stop acting hurt, and they didn't do it in a cool no selling, strong style way, they were just hurt one minute, fine the next 5. The rehashed, unnecessary storyline going in. Orton punching Cena's dad again created zero heat for the match 6. No gimmick. How and why would you follow a TLC match with a traditional one? 7. The interference was lame. I guess Wyatt didn't like Orton's comments, which is fine, but why did Randy start trash talking him in the first place? Didn't the guy just take out his main nemesis of last year? 8. Why does an RKO that "comes out of nowhere!" not work, but a distraction RKO works. Number seven has an explanation, Renee (did she do the interview? Think so. And I think it's the one where she screwed up and said WWF) mentioned at the start of it that Bray was now looking for a title shot himself. And I guess for eight you could argue Cena was worn down by that point. See for number seven I thought, and the announcers speculated about it, that Bray was there to attack Orton since he was trashing him but Cena attacked them first. If what you say is true, it makes even less sense. How does attacking Cena get them a title shot? And for 8 it's not so much complaining that it worked as it is pointing out how much I hate that every RKO has to "come out of nowhere!" even when he telegraphs it with his taunt. By that logic, every RKO catches the opponent off guard so a distraction is redundant. |
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Post by Boozeman on Jan 28, 2014 15:18:12 GMT -5
It was an awful match and the absolute worst part about it is there was no story being told whatsoever.
For the supposed conclusion of this bitter blood feud, they worked it like it was a random ordinary RAW match or something. Considering the fact that Randy Orton just tried to kill John Cena's dad, you would think Cena would be dying to get in the ring and pummel Orton.
But no, the match starts and they lock up and Cena puts him in a couple of chinlocks. Wow, you can just FEEL THE ANGER~! There was never a sense throughout the match that Cena hated this guy and wanted to tear him apart for what he did to his family and take his title.
Forget their previous encounters, this was in a vaccuum on its own was just dull and plodding and told no story. It got off to a terrible start and never recovered.
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Post by The Lex Espresso on Jan 28, 2014 15:40:20 GMT -5
Well, I've actually just gotten around to watching the match, so I can weigh in on this a little more besides pointing out the obvious problem (no one wanting to see yet another Orton/Cena championship match). The match itself was rather solid. Yes, they've had much better matches against other people, but it certainly wasn't a disaster in terms of a performance. The biggest problem for me is that they got the story of the match completely and utterly wrong. The booking leading up to the match was that Orton had put Cena's dad in the hospital (yeah, I can't believe they went down that road again either, but maybe some fans didn't see that first time around, so I can kind of excuse it). Bottom line is, Orton made it personal. Why in the hell would Cena get in there and start trading headlocks with the guy that assaulted his father?! If I were in John Cena's shoes, I'd say f*** the title and f*** the headlocks, I'm gonna kill this prick! That's what the story of the match demanded- a fight, not a wrestling match. Compare this to what Brock Lesnar did to Big Show earlier in the PPV. Show did hardly anything to piss Lesnar off prior to their match. Did Brock go in there to trade headlocks with Show? No, he went in there with the intention to maim him. After seeing that, why would I accept John Cena having a by the books wrestling match with a guy who hospitalized his own father as logical? I absolutely agree with everything said there. Most especially with the lack of emotion and psychology during the match. There was no passion, no energy and because of that, no continuity. Just bland mechanical wrestling with some trolling thrown in for good measure. Not only that, the trolling made me see it as a match between Randy Orton and John Cena the performers, rather than Randy Orton and John Cena the characters. Rather than suspending disbelief, their behaviour only heightened it so there was literally no sense of tension or drama to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 15:46:02 GMT -5
The worst thing about the match was Orton hitting a move, and then mindlessly walking around the ring for 30 seconds trying to look 'deep' and 'callous'. That usually works after you've pummeled someone with a weapon or knocked a man unconscious, not after hitting a suplex.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Jan 28, 2014 16:20:22 GMT -5
Well, I've actually just gotten around to watching the match, so I can weigh in on this a little more besides pointing out the obvious problem (no one wanting to see yet another Orton/Cena championship match). The match itself was rather solid. Yes, they've had much better matches against other people, but it certainly wasn't a disaster in terms of a performance. The biggest problem for me is that they got the story of the match completely and utterly wrong. The booking leading up to the match was that Orton had put Cena's dad in the hospital (yeah, I can't believe they went down that road again either, but maybe some fans didn't see that first time around, so I can kind of excuse it). Bottom line is, Orton made it personal. Why in the hell would Cena get in there and start trading headlocks with the guy that assaulted his father?! If I were in John Cena's shoes, I'd say f*** the title and f*** the headlocks, I'm gonna kill this prick! That's what the story of the match demanded- a fight, not a wrestling match. Compare this to what Brock Lesnar did to Big Show earlier in the PPV. Show did hardly anything to piss Lesnar off prior to their match. Did Brock go in there to trade headlocks with Show? No, he went in there with the intention to maim him. After seeing that, why would I accept John Cena having a by the books wrestling match with a guy who hospitalized his own father as logical? This one is a really good reason that I can agree with, that makes sense to me on why it didn't exactly work for people, even myself in a way (match psychology). Plus it wasn't a snide response. Thank you for that.  |
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Post by BRAINFADE on Jan 28, 2014 16:30:43 GMT -5
Well, I've actually just gotten around to watching the match, so I can weigh in on this a little more besides pointing out the obvious problem (no one wanting to see yet another Orton/Cena championship match). The match itself was rather solid. Yes, they've had much better matches against other people, but it certainly wasn't a disaster in terms of a performance. The biggest problem for me is that they got the story of the match completely and utterly wrong. The booking leading up to the match was that Orton had put Cena's dad in the hospital (yeah, I can't believe they went down that road again either, but maybe some fans didn't see that first time around, so I can kind of excuse it). Bottom line is, Orton made it personal. Why in the hell would Cena get in there and start trading headlocks with the guy that assaulted his father?! If I were in John Cena's shoes, I'd say f*** the title and f*** the headlocks, I'm gonna kill this prick! That's what the story of the match demanded- a fight, not a wrestling match. Compare this to what Brock Lesnar did to Big Show earlier in the PPV. Show did hardly anything to piss Lesnar off prior to their match. Did Brock go in there to trade headlocks with Show? No, he went in there with the intention to maim him. After seeing that, why would I accept John Cena having a by the books wrestling match with a guy who hospitalized his own father as logical? This one is a really good reason that I can agree with, that makes sense to me on why it didn't exactly work for people, even myself in a way (match psychology). Plus it wasn't a snide response. Thank you for that. You're welcome |
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Post by Germansuplex on Jan 28, 2014 16:47:56 GMT -5
It was a perfectly acceptable wrestling match with some fun spots near the end. Nothing more, nothing less. For a PPV title match and regarding the circumstances, that wasn't enough.
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