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Post by kieran on Jan 27, 2014 14:08:41 GMT -5
After Bryan vs Bray, Orton Cena looked like a parody of pro wrestling, the match had ZERO story in it, I actually think they threw out most of the match's design to try and appease the crowd.
It'd be like if back in the New Generation era Bret and Shawn went out and put on a clinic, an example of what at the time modern wrestling was moving towards, fast paced, hard hitting realistic moves, then Hacksaw and Slaughter go out and do a typical 80's style match. BTW Im not saying Hacksaw , Sarge, Orton and Cena are on the same level.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 14:10:47 GMT -5
A good solid match that didn't stand a chance due to the crowd IMO.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 27, 2014 14:12:07 GMT -5
I agree and wish the crowd would have given them a chance. Rest holds exist in pretty much any long "wrestling" match so they can build up the tension. Punk/Cena at MITB had them too. The second half of the match was very good to me, but I think Cena could have done a 810 Splash and they still probably would have booed it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 14:13:56 GMT -5
It was a great nostalgia match.
I mean that honestly. If this were 3-5 years ago. I'd call it a good match, but today. Its the same problem I've had with Angle for a while now. He wrestles the same match each time.
Orton/Cena at the RR was basically a paint-by-numbers match with nothing of consequence or interest happening. Hell, even WWE knew this was the case, hence the Wyatt interruption.
They boondoggled it because it was a boondoggle from TLC onwards.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 14:18:08 GMT -5
It was okay at best.
Regardless of the fact they've faced each other a million times, regardless of the fans shitting all over it, it was a poorly-booked match that had no heat behind it. Orton had a chinlock on for about the first 3 minutes of the match which started the match off in the worst possible way. Then there was a pointless ref bump and then they just started exchanging finishers to try and get a positive reaction out of the crowd.
Not the worst match of all time, but still not good, and definitely worthy of the crowd reaction (although I do feel a tad sorry for Orton and Cena because WWE booking has gotten them to this situation).
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Post by comahan on Jan 27, 2014 14:19:59 GMT -5
I love both Cena and Orton, and think they're both tremendous workers. But the match last night didn't hold my attention in the slightest. I actually flipped over the the Grammy's mid-match to watch Pink perform for a bit.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jan 27, 2014 14:21:46 GMT -5
I honestly can't weigh in. I stopped paying attention after Orton's third chinlock
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 27, 2014 14:21:57 GMT -5
Even ignoring the fans, the match didn't even make sense in tone. Why wasn't Cena more pissed off? Why wasn't Orton trying to get the hell out of dodge more? This was a match that warranted a fight and we didn't get one.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 27, 2014 14:24:21 GMT -5
Is it at all possible for it to be a great match AND for them to be mailing it in at the same time? Because if so, that's my feelings on it.
Maybe they were just taken out of it mentally by the crowd.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jan 27, 2014 14:25:37 GMT -5
It was a bad match. Here's the reasons why- 1. Opened with a long resthold. 2. First half the match was resthold city 3. Last half of the match they just traded finishers 4. No psychology. They acted hurt until it was time to stop acting hurt, and they didn't do it in a cool no selling, strong style way, they were just hurt one minute, fine the next 5. The rehashed, unnecessary storyline going in. Orton punching Cena's dad again created zero heat for the match 6. No gimmick. How and why would you follow a TLC match with a traditional one? 7. The interference was lame. I guess Wyatt didn't like Orton's comments, which is fine, but why did Randy start trash talking him in the first place? Didn't the guy just take out his main nemesis of last year? 8. Why does an RKO that "comes out of nowhere!" not work, but a distraction RKO works.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 27, 2014 14:26:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure Cena/Orton have ever had a bad match per se - they have pretty good chemistry, but it's just the same old shit again, that's the problem. And the thing is for me wrestling is so much about investment. Even if I am cheering the heel, I still want investment from the crowd and the crowd just killed this match dead simply because of who was participating. That is unfair on Orton and Cena as being the victims of the booking that they didn't write, but it was unfair on us as fans to yet again give us the same old shit again, so, oh well? I don't know.
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Post by grimbiniho on Jan 27, 2014 16:42:41 GMT -5
It was s-l-o-w, and not in a building up tension. In a vintage Orton chin lock way. Then we went to finishers. I genuinely can't remember any other part of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 16:44:19 GMT -5
If you have to convince people a match was good, the match wasn't good.
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Post by mrjl on Jan 27, 2014 18:36:14 GMT -5
I disagree. It was two guys I've seen wrestle a hundred times before having the same basic match I've seen a hundred times before in an angle that I don't care about, to me that's a bad match. They were working rest spots two minutes in for a crowd they knew weren't happy to not see Bryan in that position. That seems real f***ing logical, "They're gonna hate this match so we better do all we can to antagonize them before we get to the one awesome sequence in this overly long snoozefest." the only bad match is one that has technical flaws. An individual's opinions can't remove the talent of the people in the ring, it can only make it a match you don't enjoy
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 27, 2014 18:44:25 GMT -5
Oh I see the reasoning now. It's the fact that after several encounters in the past, that the match even existed in the first place. Understandable. I guess, I just have a different perspective when it comes to watching WWE or try to be as unbiased as possible (Daniel Bryan should have at least been in the Royal Rumble match! CM Punk/Roman Reigns should have won, Batista didn't need it, etc.) when I go into these things and try to keep an open-mindedness for these things. Not a slight at any of you guys btw, just some meta-cognition on my part. If only in ALF's dream where he was a comedian whose career crashed and burned due to only having two jokes to tell there had been enough people with this mindset. He wouldn't have been tormented in that seedy nightclub while reciting the classic: Anyone ever been to a fast food restaurant? On Melmac, they were the worst. You ask for extra crispy, they bring you cat with arthritis, no problem.
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Post by jdsnelson on Jan 27, 2014 19:09:22 GMT -5
I also enjoyed the match, but can't blame the fans for their reaction. I wish Cena would've won though.
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Post by stealthamo on Jan 27, 2014 19:22:16 GMT -5
I had the same problem with Rock/Cena II that I did with this match. They were trying to manufacture an "epic" match that they can talk about for years to come. With a match like Cena/Punk from Money in the Bank, the match actually felt organic, if that makes sense. With this, it felt like they were trying to hit all the spots to make it epic. Kicking out of multiple finishers, copying finishers, stuff like that.
It didn't help that the crowd wasn't into it whatsoever, but at the same time, it didn't help that it looked like Orton and Cena were egging the crowd on at points, with Orton continuing to go back into headlocks while the crowd was chanting "boring" and busting out the Orton pose for no reason, and Cena staring out into the crowd most of the time when he gets the upperhand (but he seems to do that most of the time anyways).
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Jan 27, 2014 19:29:34 GMT -5
I actually really thought it was bad. Slow. Plodding. Tons of restholds. ORTON PUNCHED CENA'S DAD IN THE FACE. Could we at least get an elevated level of aggression, anything, to merit this match existing?
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Post by darthpipes on Jan 27, 2014 19:32:37 GMT -5
I can't believe they are still putting together Cena vs Orton matches. Seriously, how many times have they wrestled on PPV and Raw over the past 6-7 years?
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Post by Woo on Jan 27, 2014 20:10:57 GMT -5
It was terrible. Five Orton chinlocks, a match completely without any kind of heat or energy, a match that completely ignored the storyline of Orton attacking Cena's father, a complete finisher fest with no thought behind the moves. It was utterly worthless from two great performers. The highlight of the match was Orton's heat-seeking pose. Dreadful match on a what would be one of the worst PPV's ever were it not for Bray/Bryan.
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