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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 4, 2014 18:07:21 GMT -5
Third hour of misery again. I wasn't paying full attention to the opening segment but did I hear that Orton will be main-eventing the next month of Raw? That'll sure keep some butts in the seats.
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Post by error on Feb 4, 2014 18:08:12 GMT -5
error's buddy "nielsen system" hated raw too
this may be to blame
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Post by molson5 on Feb 4, 2014 19:39:48 GMT -5
I think the consistent massive drop between the first and third hours doesn't say anything about the performers involved, but rather just that no one can stomach WWE's shit for three hours every week. Well, nobody except for the almost 4 million that do.
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Sin Cara Tres
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Feb 4, 2014 19:53:19 GMT -5
Also 600,000 fewer viewers than the same Raw last year (which didn't have anything "special" on it either). What happened to all those viewers that Batista supposedly was responsible for and that many used to justify his push? Could it be they tuned in for his return, weren't impressed, and stopped watching? Nah, couldn't be... What about Daniel Bryan, "the most over superstar since Stone Cold Steve Austin"?* * - Actual Internet Quote
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 20:53:15 GMT -5
error's buddy "nielsen system" hated raw too this may be to blame How did the anonymous Raw GM feel about it? Come on, we all know it wasn't really Hornswoggle.
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Post by error on Feb 4, 2014 20:55:02 GMT -5
error's buddy "nielsen system" hated raw too this may be to blame How did the anonymous Raw GM feel about it? Come on, we all know it wasn't really Hornswoggle. anonymous raw GM went into sleep mode
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 4, 2014 22:48:53 GMT -5
I didn't watch. I like DBry. I think he's great. But I watched the opening bit of the promo with Orton, realized HIMYM was new, watched that instead and realized I didn't care about Raw. I'm sure Bryan vs Orton was great but at the same time I have little to no hopes that things are going to change.
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 4, 2014 22:51:32 GMT -5
Rating was a 3.1
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Post by "I'm Batman..." on Feb 4, 2014 22:56:33 GMT -5
Boo-tista
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 22:58:46 GMT -5
Also 600,000 fewer viewers than the same Raw last year (which didn't have anything "special" on it either). What happened to all those viewers that Batista supposedly was responsible for and that many used to justify his push? Could it be they tuned in for his return, weren't impressed, and stopped watching? Nah, couldn't be... What about Daniel Bryan, "the most over superstar since Stone Cold Steve Austin"?* * - Actual Internet Quote Being over and being a draw are two different things. Whether Bryan is a draw or not remains to be seen, but he is very very over.
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Sin Cara Tres
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Feb 4, 2014 23:00:02 GMT -5
Just not with the TV audience...
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 4, 2014 23:13:58 GMT -5
Just not with the TV audience... Only 5% of those insignificant freeloaders even pay for the product. That said, the numbers that actually have monetary value, house shows and PPVs, are average or at least on par with non-Cena numbers. He's not anywhere close to being a top draw (there is only one, Cena), but he's hardly tanking business significantly. Not being John Cena shouldn't be a blight on anyone. No one is. And likely will be again, due to WWE's ass backwardness and reliance on passe fossils in lieu of potential new Cenas.
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Feb 4, 2014 23:27:19 GMT -5
Just not with the TV audience... Only 5% of those insignificant freeloaders even pay for the product. Unlike his biggest fanbase, which doesn't pay for anything and prefers to watch illegal streams. Going back to being over and being a draw. You can't be a draw if you aren't over and being a draw is the bigger picture because it means fans are paying to see you and are buying your merchandise. Bryan may be doing good, I don't know. But that quote before was legit. Someone on another board said he's the most over wrestler since Austin and anyone who disagreed was insane. I think it's insane to suggest Bryan is more over than Cena, when he was doing his biggest business. Or a number of other guys.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 5, 2014 0:11:38 GMT -5
Only 5% of those insignificant freeloaders even pay for the product. Unlike his biggest fanbase, which doesn't pay for anything and prefers to watch illegal streams. Going back to being over and being a draw. You can't be a draw if you aren't over and being a draw is the bigger picture because it means fans are paying to see you and are buying your merchandise. Bryan may be doing good, I don't know. But that quote before was legit. Someone on another board said he's the most over wrestler since Austin and anyone who disagreed was insane. I think it's insane to suggest Bryan is more over than Cena, when he was doing his biggest business. Or a number of other guys. Prove that his 'biggest fanbase' downloads more streams than orders. Truth is, you don't know what his fanbase is, and who it is made up of, because the general reaction of the live audience suggests that it is in fact all sorts of demos. The only 'fact' when it comes to Daniel Bryan fans, as you said, from a monetary standpoint, is that they are not as profitable as Cena's. He is however more profitable than most if he is in fact being held to main event the B shows on top vs. Bray, while Orton vs. Cena main event the A's. If he was such a substandard draw, he wouldn't be put in the position he is in on live events. That said, I don't know which 5% pays for the WWE product on whole outside it's 6 million fanbase, but it's a statistical fact that 95% of said viewing audience, whomever that may entail, does not. So ergo, ratings, as a barometer of drawing in statistically insignificant. As for your comment about that person who said that Bryan was as over as Austin, I agree that it is absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 0:13:37 GMT -5
Just not with the TV audience... Says who? You'd be hard pressed to find a Raw 3rd hour that didn't drop.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 5, 2014 0:35:41 GMT -5
Just not with the TV audience... Says who? You'd be hard pressed to find a Raw 3rd hour that didn't drop. Got curious. Going by the listing on PWInsider: Shows where the 3rd hour gained: 8/13/2012 11/7/2013 15/6/2013 25/13/2013 15/20/2013 16/03/2013 17/8/2013 17/15/2013 18/12/2013 19/9/2013 19/23/2013 19/30/2013 31/6/2014 21Viewership rose from hour 1 to 3 21st hour was the high 3Dropped from 1 to 2. Hour 3 was the high So in 81 weeks of 3 hour RAWs, 13 weeks have seen the 3rd hour gain viewers from hour 2. Shows where the 2nd and 3rd were basically even (10k or less difference): 7/23/2012 (The first 3 Hour Raw) 7/30/2012 10/8/2012 12/3/2012
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 0:40:59 GMT -5
Well, there you go. 13 weeks out of 81. How many of those 81 did Daniel Bryan go on last? Not that many.
And if you look at the 13 that did increase, some of them had Bryan on last. Any other "evidence" for Bryan not being a draw that we can dismiss?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 5, 2014 0:55:33 GMT -5
Well, there you go. 13 weeks out of 81. How many of those 81 did Daniel Bryan go on last? Not that many. And if you look at the 13 that did increase, some of them had Bryan on last. Any other "evidence" for Bryan not being a draw that we can dismiss? Of the ones that gained: July 15 - Cena chooses Bryan to face him at Summerslam Sept. 9 - Bryan ended the show having laid out Orton after Big Show refused to KO Bryan. Sept. 23 - Bryan ended the show pinning Rollins to end the 11-on-3 handicapped match. Sept. 30 - Bryan and Orton brawl. Orton RKOs Bryan threw a table while Brie Bella watches.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Feb 5, 2014 1:00:59 GMT -5
It's confusing the third hour shits the bed so often given Raw's entire way of operating since doing it is shit that matters and stuff anybody is going to care about happens in the first 15 minutes then the last half hour of the show
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Post by TheSchattenjager on Feb 5, 2014 1:14:13 GMT -5
Perhaps CM Punk is a draw? I know that personally I did not watch RAW, because I knew Punk wasn't going to be on.
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