Sin Cara Tres
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Feb 5, 2014 1:17:57 GMT -5
Well, there you go. 13 weeks out of 81. How many of those 81 did Daniel Bryan go on last? Not that many. And if you look at the 13 that did increase, some of them had Bryan on last. Any other "evidence" for Bryan not being a draw that we can dismiss? Of the ones that gained: July 15 - Cena chooses Bryan to face him at Summerslam Sept. 9 - Bryan ended the show having laid out Orton after Big Show refused to KO Bryan. Sept. 23 - Bryan ended the show pinning Rollins to end the 11-on-3 handicapped match. Sept. 30 - Bryan and Orton brawl. Orton RKOs Bryan threw a table while Brie Bella watches. Out of curiosity, from your "evidence" (Quotation marks are cool), what other wrestlers were involved in gains? Bryan is still not a hugely significant draw, either way.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Feb 5, 2014 1:35:07 GMT -5
No one is a hugely significant draw. Those gains with Bryan were in at least slightly interesting segments. Interesting TV is their draw and the sooner they realize that the sooner their ratings come back up.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 5, 2014 1:40:41 GMT -5
Of the ones that gained: July 15 - Cena chooses Bryan to face him at Summerslam Sept. 9 - Bryan ended the show having laid out Orton after Big Show refused to KO Bryan. Sept. 23 - Bryan ended the show pinning Rollins to end the 11-on-3 handicapped match. Sept. 30 - Bryan and Orton brawl. Orton RKOs Bryan threw a table while Brie Bella watches. Out of curiosity, from your "evidence" (Quotation marks are cool), what other wrestlers were involved in gains? Bryan is still not a hugely significant draw, either way. Real nice. Just posting stuff based on my curiosity and not posting evidence of anything. Sorry it doesn't fit with whatever you're trying to prove. Anyway, since I am feeling nice: Aug. 13, 2012 - End with Lesnar attacking HBK in a parking lot, dragging him to the ring and breaking his arm in front of Triple H Jan. 7, 2013 - Punk/Rock face-to-face May 6, 2013 - Ryback beats Kane and is jumped by the Shield only to be saved by Cena and Bryan. Ryback then turns heel on Cena. May 13, 2013 - Triple H, Lesnar and Heyman promo and brawl May 20, 2013 - Triple H v. Curtis Axel (His first night as Axel). Triple H collapses because of a "concussion" June 3, 2013: Ends with a Cena/Axel match and Ryback putting Cena threw a table July 8, 2013: Punk pins Orton, Bryan lays them out going into MITB Next 4 listed Jan. 6, 2014: Old School RAW, Reigns (w/Shield) beat Punk (with the NAO) before Jake Roberts returns and puts Damian 3 on Ambrose.
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Sin Cara Tres
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Feb 5, 2014 1:50:20 GMT -5
That wasn't directed at you but thanks anyway. No one is a hugely significant draw. Exactly.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Feb 5, 2014 2:08:13 GMT -5
Bryan is still not a hugely significant draw, either way. Not bad, eh?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 5, 2014 2:18:03 GMT -5
That wasn't directed at you but thanks anyway. No one is a hugely significant draw. Exactly. ...What point are you even trying to make then? You just admitted no one on the roster is a consistent ratings draw, which is true. You're acting like Bryan has this niche fanbase when you just discredited your argument. NO ONE is a consistent ratings draw so why act like this is some negative that just applies to Bryan?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 10:42:26 GMT -5
That wasn't directed at you but thanks anyway. Exactly. ...What point are you even trying to make then? You just admitted no one on the roster is a consistent ratings draw, which is true. You're acting like Bryan has this niche fanbase when you just discredited your argument. NO ONE is a consistent ratings draw so why act like this is some negative that just applies to Bryan? Exactly. I wasn't trying to prove Bryan is a draw, I said that nobody could say "he doesn't draw" because there's no proof of that.
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Post by The Pixel on Feb 5, 2014 10:49:29 GMT -5
How are the figures worked out?
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Feb 5, 2014 11:53:38 GMT -5
Bryan is still not a hugely significant draw, either way. Not bad, eh? Still not hugely significant. That wasn't directed at you but thanks anyway. Exactly. ...What point are you even trying to make then? You just admitted no one on the roster is a consistent ratings draw, which is true. You're acting like Bryan has this niche fanbase when you just discredited your argument. NO ONE is a consistent ratings draw so why act like this is some negative that just applies to Bryan? Didn't discredit my argument at all because Bryan isn't a star on the level of Austin. I'm sick of people acting as if he is. Also, Meltzer said on his show a few weeks ago that the B shows Bryan was headlining were not doing well.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Feb 5, 2014 12:26:16 GMT -5
you think people know exactly beforehand which superstars will attend the show? cards always subject to change. stop da reachin'!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 12:35:03 GMT -5
key words being 'B shows'
I've seen some of the cards for recent House Shows and some of them are abysmal
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 5, 2014 13:25:22 GMT -5
Still not hugely significant. ...What point are you even trying to make then? You just admitted no one on the roster is a consistent ratings draw, which is true. You're acting like Bryan has this niche fanbase when you just discredited your argument. NO ONE is a consistent ratings draw so why act like this is some negative that just applies to Bryan? Didn't discredit my argument at all because Bryan isn't a star on the level of Austin. I'm sick of people acting as if he is. Also, Meltzer said on his show a few weeks ago that the B shows Bryan was headlining were not doing well. No, he said they were drawing less than the shows Cena was on. Which is true.
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Post by kidglov3s on Feb 5, 2014 13:27:02 GMT -5
Still not hugely significant. Didn't discredit my argument at all because Bryan isn't a star on the level of Austin. I'm sick of people acting as if he is. Also, Meltzer said on his show a few weeks ago that the B shows Bryan was headlining were not doing well. No, he said they were drawing less than the shows Cena was on. Which is true. And when Bryan asked if the Cena towns were comparable to the Bryan towns there was much hemming and hawwing and talk of Jeff Hardy.
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Post by Sin Cara Tres on Feb 5, 2014 14:08:38 GMT -5
you think people know exactly beforehand which superstars will attend the show? cards always subject to change. stop da reachin'! LOL I apologize if I misheard.
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Post by Boo! on Feb 5, 2014 14:56:04 GMT -5
you think people know exactly beforehand which superstars will attend the show? cards always subject to change. stop da reachin'! LOL I apologize if I misheard. No you've heard right, that's what he said. And to the person you quoted: 95% of the time you DO know who's on the card. Cena house shows have a higher ticket price too, precisely because of who (Cena) is advertised to appear. There'll always be changes possible due to injury, suspension, walk-outs and what not but by and large the list of names slated to appear for an advertised house show are there. 'Card subject to change' is a legal cover that's actually on all similar type shows including boxing and MMA for the exact same reason. Bryan's reactions are a fact and Bryan's TV ratings appeal, merchandise shillingness and attraction as a live draw are also things that are quantifiable. I don't understand why everyone makes out there's so many mitigating circumstances for the final three. Ratings don't matter because... Merch sales don't count because.... Live event ticket sales are irrelevant because... No one indicator on their own is definitive by any means but the drive to declare all three irrelevant for many spurious reasons seems odd to me.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Feb 5, 2014 15:02:49 GMT -5
maybe it isn't one person swinging the rating one way or another and instead the fact that Raw is a collection of talent coming together to form a narrative that people either want to watch or not and also that judging week by week and segment by ratings is insane because it takes ratings down the extremest of small sample size
nevermind i must be crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 15:21:16 GMT -5
I hope that WWE eventually realizes that you can't do a three hour show where the first 2.5 hours are essentially a pre-show for the last thirty minutes, which is around the bedtime of your whole east coast audience. People just can't stick around for that long when you keep throwing crap at them and teasing that there might be something worth watching at the very end.
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