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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Feb 6, 2014 18:15:21 GMT -5
Hurricane.
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Post by BEARD on Feb 6, 2014 18:16:27 GMT -5
So, Taker twice, Batista, and...24? Orton pinned Cena, so that one doesn't really count to me. Hell, here's his Mania work going back to WM 16. Mania 29 - Beat Brock Lesnar in a no DQ match. Mania 28 - Lost to Taker Mania 27 - Lost to Taker and cut a promo the next night saying he really won because Taker left on a stretcher Mania 26 - Beat Shaemus Mania 25 - Beat Orton to end the crazy Orton beats up the McMahons angle Mania 24 - Triple threat vs Orton and Cena, Cena jobs to Randy Mania 23 - No match, out injured Mania 22 - Lost to Cena Mania 21 - Lost to Dave Mania 20 - NO RECORDS FOUND Mania 19 - Beat Booker T Mania 18 - Beat Jericho Mania 17 - Lost to Taker Mania 16 - Beat Rock, Foley, and Show, pinning both Rock and Foley The thread started asked who he put over, not who he didn't.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Feb 6, 2014 18:19:18 GMT -5
OK the rest I'll give you (maybe) but putting over the Undertaker does NOT count
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Post by BEARD on Feb 6, 2014 18:21:53 GMT -5
OK the rest I'll give you (maybe) but putting over the Undertaker does NOT count I'm just adding to the list, that's all. I do remember some people being genuinely concerned that Triple H would use his position in the company to end the streak.
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Post by Sparkybob on Feb 6, 2014 18:22:01 GMT -5
Didn't he lose clean to Shelton Benjamin three times in a row? They were all pretty fluky losses, and only one was by pin after Trips was distracted by Benoit. The others were by DQ and countout IIRC. Anyway at the end he beat him pretty soundly thus kind of negating all the fluky losses he's suffered up to that point. Well while he didn't make Shelton a main eventer, he did put him on the map and get him to be more recognizable to the live crowd that just knew Benjamin as a tag team wrestler. In that respect Hunter did put him over, just the injury he suffer hurt his momentum quite a bit.
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 6, 2014 18:23:21 GMT -5
He was the one who tapped out at WrestleMania 20, not Shawn... He rolled into the ring and started tapping.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Feb 6, 2014 18:24:22 GMT -5
OK the rest I'll give you (maybe) but putting over the Undertaker does NOT count I'm just adding to the list, that's all. I do remember some people being genuinely concerned that Triple H would use his position in the company to end the streak. I get what you're going for but "putting over" involves more than just "losing to" I think. So even one of the Undertaker ones doesn't count considering the "I won because he went out on a stretcher!!!!" promo.
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Post by shaker on Feb 6, 2014 18:25:37 GMT -5
OK the rest I'll give you but putting over the Undertaker does NOT count And he didn't really put over Taker. The first match he lost, then came out on Raw perfectly fine and said he really won since Taker got wheeled out. Rematch; he lost pretty definitively but got a fancy exit since it was the "end of an era". Even though he lost he was built up as a huge deal, like he was better than Austin and Hogan combined. He strikes me as insanely insecure, like he was constantly bullied as a kid. He wins more often than not, if he loses then the other guy practically bows down to him, and he has to be the coolest guy on the roster. Like Orton is champ, but guess what? HHH is cooler and also funnier and smarter and everyone likes him or is scared of him and jealous of him.
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Post by Sam Punk on Feb 6, 2014 18:26:59 GMT -5
Do you mean put someone over or have someone beat him? Because I'm fairly certain he put over Taka at some point. Did he? I remember them having one match on Raw that was pretty much a glorified squash. Most of Taka's "offense" in that match came from outside interference. It didn't do much, if anything, to elevate him.
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Post by BEARD on Feb 6, 2014 18:27:16 GMT -5
I'm just adding to the list, that's all. I do remember some people being genuinely concerned that Triple H would use his position in the company to end the streak. I get what you're going for but "putting over" involves more than just "losing to" I think. So even one of the Undertaker ones doesn't count considering the "I won because he went out on a stretcher!!!!" promo. Those two matches added two more great matches to the streak of the Undertaker. I'd say that's putting him over, despite not really adding anything more to the Undertaker. If Taker had had two boring matches against say, Wade Barrett and The Miz, then the streak wouldn't be as well regarded at this stage in terms of match quality.
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Post by BEARD on Feb 6, 2014 18:29:22 GMT -5
OK the rest I'll give you but putting over the Undertaker does NOT count And he didn't really put over Taker. The first match he lost, then came out on Raw perfectly fine and said he really won since Taker got wheeled out. Rematch; he lost pretty definitively but got a fancy exit since it was the "end of an era". Even though he lost he was built up as a huge deal, like he was better than Austin and Hogan combined. He strikes me as insanely insecure, like he was constantly bullied as a kid. He wins more often than not, if he loses then the other guy practically bows down to him, and he has to be the coolest guy on the roster. Like Orton is champ, but guess what? HHH is cooler and also funnier and smarter and everyone likes him or is scared of him and jealous of him. The ending at the end of the second Taker match wasn't planned. Taker's idea IIRC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 18:39:04 GMT -5
24? Oh, you mean the match where Cena ate the fall from Orton after HHH did all the work with the pedigree? And Triple H took the Punt and showed up the next night with no signs of a concussion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 18:43:01 GMT -5
John Cena. Triple H dominated Raw from September 2002 until April 2006. In my opinion, him defeating Hunter cleanly at WM22 was what made Cena the top star of Raw. Triple H didn't do a damn thing for Cena. He did nothing but run him down during the entire build to their match and pretty much emerged on top in every single segment for a couple of months, then when he did lose at Mania it was basically on an utter fluke. Afterward he pinned him the next night after writing it off as Cena getting lucky, he pinned him again in May, and has basically won every single one-on-one match they've had since. It didn't help he ran down Jericho and Angle in interviews saying they weren't as good as heels as him and he could get Cena cheered no problem, which he didn't do, and he interrupted the Edge feud that was doing wonders for Cena's popularity at the time (and dramatically boosting ratings). Plus he wasn't really that dominate over that year - of his PPV matches in 2005, Triple H lost to Batista three times and lost to Ric Flair once with only three wins outside of that, only one of which was after those losses. Directly before the Cena feud, he was in a feud with Big Show where he had to cheat like crazy to be on equal ground with him and had to break his hand to beat him, and even after breaking his hand he largely ran like a bitch from him constantly. There was really absolutely nothing to gain from Cena beating Triple H at Mania 22 at that point even if he hadn't done tons of damage to Cena before and after it.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Feb 6, 2014 18:57:18 GMT -5
The only one he really put over in his whole career is Batista. All the others he lost to, shenanigans were involved so HHH was the one who looked better, or the win wasn't "complete".
It's very rare to put someone over while beating him, a good example would be Taker/Jeff Hardy ladder match on Raw. But HHH abused this idea of putting people over by defeating them. In the end, he only satisfied his ego.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 6, 2014 19:07:33 GMT -5
He put Ultimate Warrior over. LOL, He had as much choice over that one as Kendrick and London had in taking a pedigree. The correct answers are Batista, maybe Benoit, and arguably Cena, even though you could argue that HHH made more people hate Cena in the build up to Mania than helped, in a time wherein Cena needed all the help he could get. HHH is single handedly responsible for the Cena "can't wrestle" fallacy that still exist today. Getting a win isn't putting over. Putting over means being seen as a guy's close equal or in an improved position after a match. So all the people who'll try and drop Jeff Hardy and Orton as examples are definitively wrong. He did more harm to them than helped. They succeeded in spite of HHH, not because of him. Exactly. If we're talking about guys he helped elevate, we are literally only looking at Batista. The Royal Rumble got Benoit more over than Triple H did.
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Post by welshjobber on Feb 6, 2014 19:12:49 GMT -5
Did The Rock ever pin HHH cleanly?
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Post by molson5 on Feb 6, 2014 19:53:35 GMT -5
As a HHHate thread, this is useless without comparisons to other top guys. Who did Punk help elevate? Cena? Daniel Bryan? Undertaker? Do any of them have a better or worse track record than HHH on this? (If this is really something we can give credit/blame guys for.)
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Post by Crimson on Feb 6, 2014 19:55:15 GMT -5
Losing in a match to The Undertaker isn't "Putting Him Over."
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Post by Crimson on Feb 6, 2014 20:00:15 GMT -5
The only person who Triple H has really "elevated" was Batista. Benoit definitely benefited, especially since he went over Triple and Shawn Michaels literally back to back. Benjamin also got pretty over during his little series with Triple H. Benjamin's problem was that he was not a great talker and he became a midcarder around the time the company started to not give a crap about their midcard. Randy Orton and Jericho have both looked like chumps practically every single time they've feuded with Triple H. Jeff Hardy, Punk, and Cena all pretty much remained the same throughout. And Booker T. Yeah... Who did Punk help elevate? His main event run was booked as second to Cena, so yeah hard to elevate someone when you yourself aren't getting top status. Edge. Hell, you could even count Orton since Cena actually made the dude look like a credible threat. Bad example. Bryan is at the start of his main event push. Stone Cold and Kane
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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Feb 6, 2014 20:02:33 GMT -5
HHH and PUT OVER!? My brain is unable to understand this. The Ultimate ass kicker puts NO ONE over.
Really though as an HHH mark I can't think of one person he really put over. Yeah he's lost to people but who came out looking better from a victory over him?
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