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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 12, 2014 17:46:40 GMT -5
I know there was a fake AWA (or fake AWAs) in the 2000s that I think may have also been around in the 1990s, but I think these shows may have had some ties to Verne or at least his approval. I found out about them when looking through cagematch.net, which is a pretty reliable site. The cards for the shows can be found here: www.cagematch.net/?id=8&nr=41&page=4I haven't done any research on it before coming here. However, the reason I think they may have had some connection to the original AWA or even been run/endorsed by Verne was because they were held in Minnesota (the base of the old AWA) and featured some AWA regulars. Also, wasn't the AWA technically stil producing material long after the AWA is said to have died? I know I saw a Jesse Ventura documentary that I believe was produced by the AWA. At any rate it just featured his AWA matches and zero of his WWF work. In it Verne mentions Ventura being governor so I know it had to have been made after the company was supposed to have died in 1991. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 12, 2014 17:56:14 GMT -5
It was the same fed owned by the same guy (in the 90s & 2000s). It was an imposter fed & was infringinging on the original AWA copyright. No clue why to Gagne didn't sue him, but the WWE did & the guy stopped using the name.
There was/is the AWF which obviously tried to capitalize on the old AWA name in the Minnesota area, but they were at least smart enough to change the last letter in the acronym.
The AWF was recently reincarnated, and they upload their CW shows on to Youtube. The talent is alright, but they have top notch production values for an indie fed. I don't watch a lot of indie wrestling, but I check their shows out on occasion.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 12, 2014 18:02:04 GMT -5
It was the same fed owned by the same guy (in the 90s & 2000s). It was an imposter fed & was infringinging on the original AWA copyright. No clue why to Gagne didn't sue him, but the WWE did & the guy stopped using the name. There was/is the AWF which obviously tried to capitalize on the old AWA name in the Minnesota area, but they were at least smart enough to change the last letter in the acronym. The AWF was recently reincarnated, and they upload their CW shows on to Youtube. The talent is alright, but they have top notch production values for an indie fed. I don't watch a lot of indie wrestling, but I check their shows out on occasion. Oh yeah, I know about the AWF. I really have to watch some more of their stuff now that you mention it. It is pretty baffling why Verne never went after the fake AWA (was there just one?). I figured it was because he just didn't know about it, but when they're running shows in the same areas he used to, how could he not? I'm not too surprised some of his old loyal workers worked for them though. After all a pay day is a pay day. Also, any idea about that Ventura documentary then? I still have it lying around somewhere and I'm pretty sure it was an AWA production. If it is an AWA production then did they produce any other tapes long after the company had it's last show? |
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Post by mrjl on Feb 12, 2014 18:51:20 GMT -5
It was the same fed owned by the same guy (in the 90s & 2000s). It was an imposter fed & was infringinging on the original AWA copyright. No clue why to Gagne didn't sue him, but the WWE did & the guy stopped using the name. There was/is the AWF which obviously tried to capitalize on the old AWA name in the Minnesota area, but they were at least smart enough to change the last letter in the acronym. The AWF was recently reincarnated, and they upload their CW shows on to Youtube. The talent is alright, but they have top notch production values for an indie fed. I don't watch a lot of indie wrestling, but I check their shows out on occasion. Oh yeah, I know about the AWF. I really have to watch some more of their stuff now that you mention it. It is pretty baffling why Verne never went after the fake AWA (was there just one?). I figured it was because he just didn't know about it, but when they're running shows in the same areas he used to, how could he not? I'm not too surprised some of his old loyal workers worked for them though. After all a pay day is a pay day. Also, any idea about that Ventura documentary then? I still have it lying around somewhere and I'm pretty sure it was an AWA production. If it is an AWA production then did they produce any other tapes long after the company had it's last show? well, if he thought he'd never get back in the business he might not have cared. And if he did maybe he figured let it run until it might be a success then take a shot at it. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 12, 2014 20:41:32 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I know about the AWF. I really have to watch some more of their stuff now that you mention it. It is pretty baffling why Verne never went after the fake AWA (was there just one?). I figured it was because he just didn't know about it, but when they're running shows in the same areas he used to, how could he not? I'm not too surprised some of his old loyal workers worked for them though. After all a pay day is a pay day. Also, any idea about that Ventura documentary then? I still have it lying around somewhere and I'm pretty sure it was an AWA production. If it is an AWA production then did they produce any other tapes long after the company had it's last show? well, if he thought he'd never get back in the business he might not have cared. And if he did maybe he figured let it run until it might be a success then take a shot at it. Makes sense enough. Kind of a shame the AWA never restarted in some form officially before being purchased by WWE. After all there was almost like 20 years where Verne still owned it and it could have been kind of cool to get at least a reunion or something or Verne give his blessing to have someone continue it. Even if it was on a much smaller stage than the WWF and WCW, AWA still had some name recognition and could have been revived as something good. Of course it also could have been awful. At any rate the AWA is one of my favorite promotions to go back and look at the footage of. |
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Post by Phil Parent on Feb 12, 2014 21:31:51 GMT -5
About newly produced AWA programming:
Years ago, ESPN Classics brought in the Gagnes and Todd Okerlund (Gene's son) to host a series of specials on the AWA. They made one on Ventura, they made on on Hogan, they made one on the AWA title which would be a good idea for a DVD quite frankly, they made one on tag teams which was obviously a way to air a grab bag of Rockers and Hall/Hennig matches....
That was in the late 90's. No new matches only narration and old footage.
If I'm not mistaken ESPN Classics can still legally air their old footage because they actually owned the show.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 12, 2014 21:32:27 GMT -5
well, if he thought he'd never get back in the business he might not have cared. And if he did maybe he figured let it run until it might be a success then take a shot at it. Makes sense enough. Kind of a shame the AWA never restarted in some form officially before being purchased by WWE. After all there was almost like 20 years where Verne still owned it and it could have been kind of cool to get at least a reunion or something or Verne give his blessing to have someone continue it. Even if it was on a much smaller stage than the WWF and WCW, AWA still had some name recognition and could have been revived as something good. Of course it also could have been awful. At any rate the AWA is one of my favorite promotions to go back and look at the footage of. If he was aware of it, Gagne couldn't of waited until the imposter company was making money. The second you find out about someone stealing your copyright you are supposed to send a cease and desist letter. If the company refuses/ignores, then you have to sue them. Or, you lose your claim to the copyright. So perhaps he either gave them consent, or was actually unaware of the promotion. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 12, 2014 21:43:02 GMT -5
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 12, 2014 21:46:36 GMT -5
About newly produced AWA programming: Years ago, ESPN Classics brought in the Gagnes and Todd Okerlund (Gene's son) to host a series of specials on the AWA. They made one on Ventura, they made on on Hogan, they made one on the AWA title which would be a good idea for a DVD quite frankly, they made one on tag teams which was obviously a way to air a grab bag of Rockers and Hall/Hennig matches.... That was in the late 90's. No new matches only narration and old footage. If I'm not mistaken ESPN Classics can still legally air their old footage because they actually owned the show. Oh yeah I knew since they didn't have any more shows after 1991 it would have to be just new narration, interviews and what have you rather than matches. Also, I definitely agree with you about the AWA title being a good subject for a DVD! Makes sense enough. Kind of a shame the AWA never restarted in some form officially before being purchased by WWE. After all there was almost like 20 years where Verne still owned it and it could have been kind of cool to get at least a reunion or something or Verne give his blessing to have someone continue it. Even if it was on a much smaller stage than the WWF and WCW, AWA still had some name recognition and could have been revived as something good. Of course it also could have been awful. At any rate the AWA is one of my favorite promotions to go back and look at the footage of. If he was aware of it, Gagne couldn't of waited until the imposter company was making money. The second you find out about someone stealing your copyright you are supposed to send a cease and desist letter. If the company refuses/ignores, then you have to sue them. Or, you lose your claim to the copyright. So perhaps he either gave them consent, or was actually unaware of the promotion. So in a way the fake AWA could have been the real AWA all along! All we need now is confirmation from an 87 year old Alzheimer's disease afflicted Verne Gagne and we're golden! |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 12, 2014 21:50:11 GMT -5
Looks like an interesting read! I'm about to go through it now. Given the guy's name is Dale Gagne it's intriging. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 12, 2014 21:55:02 GMT -5
Looks like an interesting read! I'm about to go through it now. Given the guy's name is Dale Gagne it's intriging. You'll find out soon, that his name is not Gagne. |
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Post by mrjl on Feb 12, 2014 22:26:18 GMT -5
Makes sense enough. Kind of a shame the AWA never restarted in some form officially before being purchased by WWE. After all there was almost like 20 years where Verne still owned it and it could have been kind of cool to get at least a reunion or something or Verne give his blessing to have someone continue it. Even if it was on a much smaller stage than the WWF and WCW, AWA still had some name recognition and could have been revived as something good. Of course it also could have been awful. At any rate the AWA is one of my favorite promotions to go back and look at the footage of. If he was aware of it, Gagne couldn't of waited until the imposter company was making money. The second you find out about someone stealing your copyright you are supposed to send a cease and desist letter. If the company refuses/ignores, then you have to sue them. Or, you lose your claim to the copyright. So perhaps he either gave them consent, or was actually unaware of the promotion. well they'd need proof he knew. Gagne could claim he didn't hear about it until it became big enough to hear about it |
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Feb 13, 2014 0:37:34 GMT -5
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Feb 13, 2014 3:36:58 GMT -5
It was the same fed owned by the same guy (in the 90s & 2000s). It was an imposter fed & was infringinging on the original AWA copyright. No clue why to Gagne didn't sue him, but the WWE did & the guy stopped using the name. There was/is the AWF which obviously tried to capitalize on the old AWA name in the Minnesota area, but they were at least smart enough to change the last letter in the acronym. The AWF was recently reincarnated, and they upload their CW shows on to Youtube. The talent is alright, but they have top notch production values for an indie fed. I don't watch a lot of indie wrestling, but I check their shows out on occasion. Oh yeah, I know about the AWF. I really have to watch some more of their stuff now that you mention it. It is pretty baffling why Verne never went after the fake AWA (was there just one?). I figured it was because he just didn't know about it, but when they're running shows in the same areas he used to, how could he not? I'm not too surprised some of his old loyal workers worked for them though. After all a pay day is a pay day. Also, any idea about that Ventura documentary then? I still have it lying around somewhere and I'm pretty sure it was an AWA production. If it is an AWA production then did they produce any other tapes long after the company had it's last show? Verne did go after the Dale guy... and won I think. Dale Gagne kept on promoting shows with the AWA name though. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 13, 2014 12:31:40 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I know about the AWF. I really have to watch some more of their stuff now that you mention it. It is pretty baffling why Verne never went after the fake AWA (was there just one?). I figured it was because he just didn't know about it, but when they're running shows in the same areas he used to, how could he not? I'm not too surprised some of his old loyal workers worked for them though. After all a pay day is a pay day. Also, any idea about that Ventura documentary then? I still have it lying around somewhere and I'm pretty sure it was an AWA production. If it is an AWA production then did they produce any other tapes long after the company had it's last show? Verne did go after the Dale guy... and won I think. Dale Gagne kept on promoting shows with the AWA name though. Yep, the article Todd Pettengill posted clears up a lot of things that have been asked in this thread. Dale Gagner got sued by Verne and Verne won, but Dale continued using the AWA name anyways. Then WWE sued Dale years later and WWE won and again Dale kept using the AWA name anyways. The article ends by saying Dale went into and came out of rehab and is planning to get back into wrestling, but without conning people. That being said given Dale's track record I wouldn't be shocked if we saw the fake AWA pop up again or at least heard more about Dale's carney antics. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 18:23:56 GMT -5
I remember a story a mod told on here that Dale Gagner sign up on the old wrestlecrap forum and his password was the N Word.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 19:10:03 GMT -5
Someone should ask Meltzer or a historian this question. Dale Gagner/Gagne wasn't running his shows until the late 90s, as far as I know. 1994 probably was not him.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Feb 13, 2014 19:29:36 GMT -5
Think 94 might have been someone associated with Verne. Dale didn't start up his bogus AWA until 1996.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Feb 13, 2014 21:06:53 GMT -5
I remember a story a mod told on here that Dale Gagner sign up on the old wrestlecrap forum and his password was the N Word. Once again, shit head |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 21:20:54 GMT -5
I remember a story a mod told on here that Dale Gagner sign up on the old wrestlecrap forum and his password was the N Word. Once again, shit head Found the thread for it too. officialfan.proboards.com/thread/200283From Madison Carter |
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