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Post by chibul on Jan 28, 2020 16:36:01 GMT -5
Or..the WCW theme was just better. The Rude instances would make me wonder, but 1) there's TONS of Johnston music intact of course. 2) Use the simple explanation: soundalikes get eliminated for fear of lawsuit. Johnston's music would have been signed over to WWE before they used it on TV. It's probably, like you said, a matter of the WWE theme being a ripoff of the WCW theme, which was a production track that Turner Broadcasting had at their disposal. The WWE theme is still used on some stuff. Bash at the Beach 2000 has Goldberg coming out to his 2004 WWE theme.
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Post by cjh on Jan 28, 2020 16:43:51 GMT -5
Johnston's music would have been signed over to WWE before they used it on TV. It's probably, like you said, a matter of the WWE theme being a ripoff of the WCW theme, which was a production track that Turner Broadcasting had at their disposal. The WWE theme is still used on some stuff. Bash at the Beach 2000 has Goldberg coming out to his 2004 WWE theme. That's likely just something they've missed. It's been wiped from all the 2003-04 WWE shows. I think it's still on the October 2016 Raw where he used it as his exit theme that night.
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 2, 2020 17:24:17 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc 1991 replaces Dustin's Money For Nothing ripoff theme with a generic country-sounding song
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Post by chronocross on Feb 4, 2020 18:31:54 GMT -5
WWE updated the Royal Rumble 2020 show with Edge's entrance and spear to Dolph Ziggler.
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Post by cjh on Feb 4, 2020 20:10:40 GMT -5
WWE updated the Royal Rumble 2020 show with Edge's entrance and spear to Dolph Ziggler. On that subject, does anyone know what they have removed from the show? The updated version is shorter by about 5 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 22:12:38 GMT -5
I have the Attitude Era, Volume 2 DVD where they kept Val Venis's techno remix in his Fully Loaded 2000 cage match against Rikishi, but on the Network, they replaced it with generic dance music, although right when Lita chases out Trish Stratus, a bit of the original theme seeps through.
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Post by cjh on Feb 4, 2020 22:21:22 GMT -5
I have the Attitude Era, Volume 2 DVD where they kept Val Venis's techno remix in his Fully Loaded 2000 cage match against Rikishi, but on the Network, they replaced it with generic dance music, although right when Lita chases out Trish Stratus, a bit of the original theme seeps through. I just checked Fully Loaded 2000 on the Network, and it has Val's real theme, the remix of his original music.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 22:28:57 GMT -5
I have the Attitude Era, Volume 2 DVD where they kept Val Venis's techno remix in his Fully Loaded 2000 cage match against Rikishi, but on the Network, they replaced it with generic dance music, although right when Lita chases out Trish Stratus, a bit of the original theme seeps through. I just checked Fully Loaded 2000 on the Network, and it has Val's real theme, the remix of his original music. Huh. Certainly didn't sound like it. But maybe my ears aren't good.
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Post by cjh on Feb 10, 2020 18:29:47 GMT -5
Survivor Series 2001, audio-wise, seems to be a version made for the 2008 Survivor Series Anthology DVD set from WWE Home Video, even though the set that was released only included the first 10 events (1987-1996). Right after the opening video, the voiceover guy calls it "WWE Survivor Series" rather than "WWF Survivor Series."
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Post by cjh on Feb 13, 2020 22:22:04 GMT -5
The May 22, 1993 episode of WCW Saturday Night is missing everything in bold.
5/18/93; Atlanta, GA; Center Stage Theatre 5/22/93 - featured Eric Bischoff, Missy Hyatt, & Gordon Solie live at the CNN Center for Slamboree's Slam Feast weekend festivities; included Tony Schiavone & Jesse Ventura on commentary; featured Solie conducting interviews with Dory Funk Jr. and Gene Kiniski at their dinner table at Slam Feast; during the segment, Funk noted he would face Nick Bockwinkel the following night at Slamboree with Kiniski in his corner; moments later, Kiniski said the NWA was a worldwide promotion and the AWA was just a backyard promotion; Solie then spoke with Mad Dog Vachon at the same table, who predicted Bockwinkel would beat Funk; included a Slamboree Control Center hosted by Bischoff & Solie in which it was announced Jim Barnett, Don Owens, and Stanley Blackburn would be part of the event; Solie then recapped the career of Lou Thesz, who also would be on hand, followed by footage of Thesz facing Antonio Inoki; featured Schiavone conducting an interview with Col. Rob Parker regarding his mystery wrestler that would appear the following night at Slamboree, during which Parker said if he said the man's name then Van Hammer would never show up to the match, his man rules the world, and Hammer would leave Slamboree on a gourney; included the announcement that a ruling would be made the following week regarding the rightful holder of the WCW US Title; featured a scene from "Cliffhanger," in theaters May 28; included Solie at Slam Feast speaking with Teddy Long and Thunderbolt Patterson, during which Baron Von Raschke & Ivan Koloff interrupted and cut a promo on Patterson & Bob Armstrong until Patterson told them off with Patterson then saying he would beat them up; featured Solie at CNN Center introducing footage from earlier in the day of Schiavone trying to interview Jim Brunzell, with Don Muraco, Baron Von Raschke, and Ivan Koloff then confronting Brunzell until Blackjack Mulligan and Wahoo McDaniel showed up; included Solie conducting an interview with Johnny Valentine in which he picked Funk to beat Bockwinkel at Slamboree; featured Bischoff conducting a sit-down interview with Sylvester Stallone and Ventura on the set of "Demolition Man" regarding Stallone's new film "Cliffhanger," the filming of "Demolition Man," and Stallone's scene with Ventura; during the segment, Stallone noted he did "Paradise Alley" and was a big wrestling fan; at the end of the segment, Ventura gave Stallone a WCW cap to wear while golfing; included Rick Rude as a guest of "Flair for the Gold," with Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, and Fifi; prior to Rude's introduction, Flair said Anderson could be the next NWA World Champion; both Flair, Anderson, and several women on hand wore oriental robes for the segment; when Rude came out, he was upset that he was overdressed - wearing a suit - before Flair sent Fifi and Rude back to find him something to wear; after they left, Flair said he would have a life segment at Slamboree with all four of the original Four Horsemen - Flair, Arn, Ole, and Tully Blanchard; Rude then returned wearing a robe and said Fifi was #1 in his book for how fast she got him out of his clothes and then cut a promo on his tag team match at Slamboree against Dustin Rhodes & Kensuke Sasaki and claimed he was the true US champion; Rude then said Flair was a hero of the past and present, Rude brought out his own woman, Fufu; as Rude left, Fufu began stripping; featured an in-ring segment in which WCW World Champion Big Van Vader, alongside Harley Race, took on five preliminary wrestlers in a public workout; after fighting off several of the wrestlers, Vader dropped one with the powerbomb; moments later, Davey Boy Smith came out and said the workout was over, with Race challenging Smith to be part of it; Smith then dropped Race with a suplex in the ring, fought off Vader, and dropped him with the powerslam; Smith then hit several clotheslines and sent Vader to the floor with a dropkick; Sting, Kensuke Sasaki, Ron Simmons, Robbie V, Dustin Rhodes, and Erik Watts then came out to celebrate with Smith in the ring as Vader threw chairs around ringside; included a segment at CNN Center in which it was implied the WWF's Nailz had attacked Scott Norton in the bathroom; featured a segment at CNN Center in which Bischoff & Solie said Norton was out of Slamboree with Solie then saying Nailz by name and noted he would be there instead; Solie then conducted an interview with the Fabulous Moolah; included a closing segment backstage at Center Stage in which Vader challenged Smith to another fight, with the two going at it until the camera signal fizzled and the show went off the air: Davey Boy Smith pinned Pat Rose with the running powerslam at 3:45; after the bout, Tony Schiavone conducted a ringside interview with Smith regarding his match the following night at Slamboree against WCW World Champion Big Van Vader Dustin Rhodes & Kensuke Sasaki defeated the Wrecking Crew at 6:18 when Sasaki scored the pin following the armbar takeover Maxx Payne defeated Larry Corey via submission with the Pain Killer at 1:27; during the bout, Johnny B. Badd cut an insert promo regarding Payne stealing his Badd Blaster two weeks earlier Shanghai Pierce & Tex Slazenger defeated Erik Watts & Robbie V at 7:02 when Slazenger pinned Robbie after Pierce hit Robbie in the back of the head with the cowbell 2 Cold Scorpio defeated WCW TV Champion Paul Orndorff via reverse decision; stipulations stated the title would only be on the line for the first 10 minutes of the match; Orndorff originally won the match via pinfall at 9:22 after hitting the challenger with a foreign object but Ron Simmons came out to tell the referee what happened and then digging in Orndorff's tights and pulling the weapon out; moments later, Simmons and Orndorff almost fought before Orndorff left the ring Scott Norton pinned an unknown with a powerslam at the 40-second mark (Norton's last TV appearance for 3 years) Sting pinned Big Sky (w/ Vinnie Vegas) with a roll up at 2:48 after avoiding a charge; prior to the bout, Vegas cut an insert promo saying Sting shouldn't have taken on Big Sky just a day before Slamboree
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Post by chazraps on Feb 14, 2020 2:18:32 GMT -5
Wow, is the scrapped Nailz-Norton implication scene available anywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 16:25:07 GMT -5
Jim Johnston publicly bad mouthed the company after his left so it would not surprise me if they are just being petty and want people to forget that he ever did the Goldberg theme. Several months back I started fixing the Goldberg BluRay set by putting his WCW theme back in but I've been kind of busy. It is very annoying to watch Goldberg WCW matches with the WWE theme. Or..the WCW theme was just better. The Rude instances would make me wonder, but 1) there's TONS of Johnston music intact of course. 2) Use the simple explanation: soundalikes get eliminated for fear of lawsuit. I'm very anal about authenticity. If Goldberg came out to his WWE theme back then, let him come out to the WWE theme. It was the same for Hollywood Hulk Hogan during 2002-03 when they replaced Voodoo Child (Slight Return) for obvious licensing reasons with Real American in DVD and anthology releases and it did not feel accurate.
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Post by chibul on Feb 14, 2020 19:57:11 GMT -5
WWE Network took down and then put back up a few episodes of 1989 Prime Time Wrestling. I have a feeling that the Hillbilly Jim theme is now gone. I think it was the October 2nd episode where they accidentally left it in.
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Post by chibul on Mar 10, 2020 5:24:19 GMT -5
The WWE Network gives you a disclaimer before and starts Clash 28 right as the Nasty Boys are making their entrance but I'm wondering if the reason Clash 28 starts right before the Nasty Boys match instead of the opening video montage is because right before the Nasty Boys came out Ricky Lynn Gregg sings the national anthem and there is some sort of licensing issue so instead they start at the first match.
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Post by cjh on Mar 10, 2020 6:18:19 GMT -5
The WWE Network gives you a disclaimer before and starts Clash 28 right as the Nasty Boys are making their entrance but I'm wondering if the reason Clash 28 starts right before the Nasty Boys match instead of the opening video montage is because right before the Nasty Boys came out Ricky Lynn Gregg sings the national anthem and there is some sort of licensing issue so instead they start at the first match. I'm guessing the master tape is damaged. There's no need to cut out the rest of the opening of the show. Maybe they will be able to fix it some day, though, like they did SuperBrawl V.
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Post by chibul on Mar 10, 2020 9:38:11 GMT -5
The WWE Network gives you a disclaimer before and starts Clash 28 right as the Nasty Boys are making their entrance but I'm wondering if the reason Clash 28 starts right before the Nasty Boys match instead of the opening video montage is because right before the Nasty Boys came out Ricky Lynn Gregg sings the national anthem and there is some sort of licensing issue so instead they start at the first match. I'm guessing the master tape is damaged. There's no need to cut out the rest of the opening of the show. Maybe they will be able to fix it some day, though, like they did SuperBrawl V. I'm thinking that they were just lazy and decided to start it at the Nasty Boyz match instead of having the opening and then fading out and the back in to The Nasty Boyz match.
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Post by chibul on Mar 10, 2020 9:38:49 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the master tape is damaged or if WWE forgot to remove the tape hiss on this tape but removes the tape hiss on their others because there's a lot of tape hiss on Clash of the Champions XXI that I don't hear on the other shows.
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Post by cjh on Mar 10, 2020 10:20:57 GMT -5
I'm guessing the master tape is damaged. There's no need to cut out the rest of the opening of the show. Maybe they will be able to fix it some day, though, like they did SuperBrawl V. I'm thinking that they were just lazy and decided to start it at the Nasty Boyz match instead of having the opening and then fading out and the back in to The Nasty Boyz match. Possibly. I'm guessing the tape is damaged, though, rather than a voluntary edit.
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Post by cjh on Mar 14, 2020 10:58:31 GMT -5
This one's been mentioned, but I noticed something odd about it.
On Clash of the Champions 15, the finish of Hase/Chono vs. the Steiners is shown from a fan's TV-to-VHS recording. What's strange is that if you listen closely, there is a brief moment (1-2 seconds at most) where the VHS footage has been synced up with the audio of WWE's HQ tape until the audio of the VHS tape starts.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Mar 15, 2020 3:21:28 GMT -5
This one's been mentioned, but I noticed something odd about it. On Clash of the Champions 15, the finish of Hase/Chono vs. the Steiners is shown from a fan's TV-to-VHS recording. What's strange is that if you listen closely, there is a brief moment (1-2 seconds at most) where the VHS footage has been synced up with the audio of WWE's HQ tape until the audio of the VHS tape starts. My guess is that that part of the footage on the master was damaged but the audio (for a few seconds, anyway) wasn't.
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