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Post by pepsitwist on Feb 25, 2014 6:39:15 GMT -5
WWE miscalculated the overall popularity of Batista. He simply isn't what fans want in 2013/2014. The company just look even more out of touch with this most recent stunt.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 25, 2014 6:50:13 GMT -5
The promo seemed totally designed to keep him babyface but everything else he did in terms of mannerisms and the way he spoke screamed heel. It's almost like he's been scripted to stay face but his natural bitchy thin skinned self is evident too. Take this with a grain of salt, but Meltzer is reporting that WWE's intention is to still go ahead regardless of the backlash with Batista as a "face", and that this Friday's Smackdown interview is supposed to somehow convince the fans that they're wrong about him. I just can't see it, though. WWE has to realize that this experiment has failed and there is no salvaging a babyface out of Big Dave.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Feb 25, 2014 6:55:15 GMT -5
My guess is Batista beats Orton, Bryan beats Triple H,... Batista turns heel and loses to Bryan at Extreme Rules at which point point nobody gives a Damn about Bryan anymore.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 25, 2014 6:57:29 GMT -5
The promo seemed totally designed to keep him babyface but everything else he did in terms of mannerisms and the way he spoke screamed heel. It's almost like he's been scripted to stay face but his natural bitchy thin skinned self is evident too. Take this with a grain of salt, but Meltzer is reporting that WWE's intention is to still go ahead regardless of the backlash with Batista as a "face", and that this Friday's Smackdown interview is supposed to somehow convince the fans that they're wrong about him. I just can't see it, though. WWE has to realize that this experiment has failed and there is no salvaging a babyface out of Big Dave. He's a babyface......DEAL WITH IT!!!
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Feb 25, 2014 6:57:47 GMT -5
I just can't see it, though. WWE has to realize that this experiment has failed and there is no salvaging a babyface out of Big Dave. They didn't realize that nobody bought Alberto as any kind of major player after YEARS of it being apparent to nearly everybody watching. I doubt they'll give up on Big Dave after a few weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 7:00:07 GMT -5
The promo seemed totally designed to keep him babyface but everything else he did in terms of mannerisms and the way he spoke screamed heel. It's almost like he's been scripted to stay face but his natural bitchy thin skinned self is evident too. Take this with a grain of salt, but Meltzer is reporting that WWE's intention is to still go ahead regardless of the backlash with Batista as a "face", and that this Friday's Smackdown interview is supposed to somehow convince the fans that they're wrong about him. I just can't see it, though. WWE has to realize that this experiment has failed and there is no salvaging a babyface out of Big Dave. I think the best part of that is the idea that this huge thing that'll completely turn people around will happen on SmackDown. Like anyone will even see it.
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Post by mrjl on Feb 25, 2014 7:18:05 GMT -5
Batista coming back after leaving to go do MMA and star in movies and trying to do the "I love this business!" schtick that the Rock did, when I think most fans see him as more of a Brock Lesnar "I like money" character who doesn't also have that "I am an avatar of destruction!" aura, combined with him coming back and throwing a douche-shaped monkey wrench into the Daniel Bryan hype train, is definitely not helping. Really, instead of trying to paint him as the returning baby face, they should have gone with a delusional, "Hollywood Rock" lite heel character from the start, instead of scrambling to make him a heel now that the fans have pretty much turned him heel by booing the shit out of him. I mean, I can at least buy that Cena loves this business and is tolerant of a section of the fans not liking him. Batista even attempting that is funny as hell. well, Batista spent around a decade in the business, even attempting it despite being rejected by WCW, unlike Lesnar and he spent a significant time as a heel so it's believable And Batista was a character who was turned face at least partially by crowd reaction and returning guys generally get a pop. Him being face makes sense
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 7:19:17 GMT -5
I think I now understand how Star Wars fans feel. This is our Phantom Menace and Batista is Jar Jar Binks.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Feb 25, 2014 7:27:39 GMT -5
Batista coming back after leaving to go do MMA and star in movies and trying to do the "I love this business!" schtick that the Rock did, when I think most fans see him as more of a Brock Lesnar "I like money" character who doesn't also have that "I am an avatar of destruction!" aura, combined with him coming back and throwing a douche-shaped monkey wrench into the Daniel Bryan hype train, is definitely not helping. Really, instead of trying to paint him as the returning baby face, they should have gone with a delusional, "Hollywood Rock" lite heel character from the start, instead of scrambling to make him a heel now that the fans have pretty much turned him heel by booing the shit out of him. I mean, I can at least buy that Cena loves this business and is tolerant of a section of the fans not liking him. Batista even attempting that is funny as hell. well, Batista spent around a decade in the business, even attempting it despite being rejected by WCW, unlike Lesnar and he spent a significant time as a heel so it's believable And Batista was a character who was turned face at least partially by crowd reaction and returning guys generally get a pop. Him being face makes sense Initially. But I think it became glaringly obvious to most right off the bat how manufactured he was in his return, and how he was being shoe-horned into a slot only because of a movie. He was seen as a poseur returning to take an unearned slot from guys that were there day in and day out. His entire comeback was the opposite of organic. And they've been swimming with him against the current since Rumble. And as far as his "passion" goes, you have to remember this is a guy who has done nothing but complain online and in interviews about Cena, the company's direction and rating, and the lack of star power of the people currently in top tier role before coming back. He's a condescending dick, and it shines through into his character. As a heel, that could equal big money. But as a face, well, he's a shell of the competitor he once was, and obviously thin-skinned. There's nothing remotely likeable about him as a "good guy". The one thing he had going for him was a bad-ass look and killer instinct, and Roman Reigns today is doing a better Batista than a 45 year old grandpa in skinny jeans.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Feb 25, 2014 7:28:21 GMT -5
I hope Batista faces Cesaro at some point, just to hear the reaction when he blocks the big swing.
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Post by The Lex Espresso on Feb 25, 2014 7:30:15 GMT -5
I think I now understand how Star Wars fans feel. This is our Phantom Menace and Batista is Jar Jar Binks. N.B: Possibly the single worst thing I've ever created. I apologise for any nightmares my hideous photoshopping skills may cause.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 7:33:31 GMT -5
I think I now understand how Star Wars fans feel. This is our Phantom Menace and Batista is Jar Jar Binks. N.B: Possibly the single worst thing I've ever created. I apologise for any nightmares my hideous photoshopping skills may cause. Oh no. I think you nailed it. Mee-sa gonna win the title.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 25, 2014 7:36:31 GMT -5
I can't wait until he starts cheering and booing the crowd complete with thumb gestures, that could save the whole angle, I'm laughing just thinking about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 7:51:57 GMT -5
N.B: Possibly the single worst thing I've ever created. I apologise for any nightmares my hideous photoshopping skills may cause. Oh no. I think you nailed it. Mee-sa gonna win the title. Suck mee-sa balls.
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Post by Chiral on Feb 25, 2014 9:46:03 GMT -5
If he faces Curtis Axel we know the process is nearing completion. He may have faced him on a house show. There was a CURT-IS AX-EL chant at Elimination Chamber. To be fair, Axel gets decent to surprisingly large reactions in Minnesota as a "hometown boy"
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Post by shaker on Feb 25, 2014 10:40:45 GMT -5
I actually managed to get my hands on the script for Batista's interview on Smackdown. I think this should shed some light on things:
BATISTA SITTING IN RING ON FOLDING CHAIR: So there's been a lot of mixed reaction to my return. And that's fine - you people are free to cheer or boo me as much as you want! We live in America, land of the free, home of the brave! Remember the troops! Pearl Harbor! U-S-A! U-S-A! [PAUSE TO ALLOW CHEERS AND CHANTING]
But you all need to DEAL WITH IT - it being the fact that I won the Rumble and get to face that bum Randy Orton at Wrestlemania! [POINT TO WRESTLEMANIA SIGN]
Now some people are saying I'm old, out of shape, and past my prime. Well to all those people, could an old, out of shape man DO THIS?? [BATISTA PERFORMS THE CHARLESTON FOR 30 SECONDS] [PAUSE FOR CHEERS]
YEAH HERE WE GO! And at Wrestlemania 30, I'm going to beat Randy Orton and become the WWE World Heavyweight Champion before leaving to go promote my pretty goofy looking movie! By the way, does anyone like... FREE STUFF?? [BATISTA FIRES T-SHIRTS OUT OF T-SHIRT CANNON WHILE MONEY RAINS DOWN FROM THE RAFTERS]
Oh and don't worry - I'm actually friends with Daniel Bryan in real life! Look here! [SHOW PHOTO OF BRYAN AND BATISTA HUGGING BACKSTAGE. ed - MUST OBTAIN A PHOTO OF THIS BEFORE SMACKDOWN IS FILMED]
[RANDY ORTON ENTERS, WEARING A BLACK CAPE AND WITH A SINISTER MUSTACHE, WHICH HE TWIRLS AS HE SPEAKS} Mwa-ha-ha-ha! Batista, these stupid, slothlike, ugly people don't like you! My name is Randy Orton and guess what? I hate puppies, kittens, and little babies! And to all you people in the audience, your favorite TV show that got cancelled? I did that. Also I peed in all the soda fountains at this arena tonight, so you're all drinking me pee! And if I win at Wrestlemania, I'm going to use the paycheck to adopt a bunch of orphans.... and then make them my slaves!!! Because I am the bad guy!!! Mwa-ha-ha-ha!
[BATISTA PICKS UP AN AMERICAN FLAG, BEGINS WAVING IT] Well guess what Randy... this is AMERICA! And you can love it... OR YOU CAN GET OUT!!!
[RANDY SLOWLY SLINKS TO THE BACK] Curse you and your all American ways, Dave Batista! I will have my revenge on you.... and all these people! At Wrestlemania, I vow to destroy everything that is good in this world!
Pretty good stuff, seems like they have some good ideas to turn Batista into a face naturally.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 25, 2014 10:49:03 GMT -5
Why would anyone cheer that, anyway? Loving the wrestling business just means you're an idiot.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 25, 2014 10:50:12 GMT -5
See if his gimmick was the "deal with it" guy who just looked so cool as to genuinely not give a shit - I think, eventually, the crowd would be converted. But the whole "please love me" stuff that goes along with it with his sad face, really doesn't work. I see it going like Punk's heel turn in reverse, where attempts to get fans to buy into it get more and more transparent and stupid and just make the situation worse. he's only a step removed from kissing babies, hugging fat girls and riding around in the Lex Batista Express.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2014 10:50:46 GMT -5
"...if they boo me, I'll boo them back!"
This has one of two results; a heel turn, or a delusional guy.
We're gonna get delusional guy.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 25, 2014 10:54:55 GMT -5
"...if they boo me, I'll boo them back!" This has one of two results; a heel turn, or a delusional guy. We're gonna get delusional guy. So, kind of like Bo Dallas in NXT. Bo-tista, if you will.
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