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Post by andrew8798 on Mar 10, 2014 14:12:39 GMT -5
Derrick Rose (knee) has been doing more running but is "not close right now," Tom Thibodeau said on Monday,
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Post by andrew8798 on Mar 10, 2014 16:26:09 GMT -5
So this happened:
@patgarofalo
Let's be honest, 70% of teams in NBA could fold tomorrow + nobody would notice a difference w/ possible exception of increase in streetcrime
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Post by Waffel113 on Mar 10, 2014 16:34:11 GMT -5
So this happened: @patgarofalo Let's be honest, 70% of teams in NBA could fold tomorrow + nobody would notice a difference w/ possible exception of increase in streetcrime Is this guy serious? I really hope not.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 10, 2014 16:37:51 GMT -5
Lakers fans are proceeding to break stuff right now. One year ago today, this happened
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 10, 2014 16:49:45 GMT -5
So this happened: @patgarofalo Let's be honest, 70% of teams in NBA could fold tomorrow + nobody would notice a difference w/ possible exception of increase in streetcrime Is this guy serious? I really hope not. Yep, he was. He then tried to justify it saying he wasn't being racist, just that he was commenting on athletes committing crimes and the league not listing marijuana as a substance abuse policy. Which is wrong on two fronts, as NBA players commit crimes at a rate much lower than the population of guys their age, and the league does enforce marijuana in their drug policy.
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Post by BRV on Mar 10, 2014 19:00:34 GMT -5
What would be the benefit to this? All this would do would put undue pressure on whoever is coaching the New York Knicks. Any two-or-three-game losing streak would yield calls for Phil Jackson to step in as head coach from the fans and media. Also, Jackson is a coach and game manager, not a talent evaluator or general manager. The Bulls teams of the 1990s were built by Jerry Krause and Rod Thorn. The Lakers teams of the 2000s were constructed by Jerry West and Mitch Kupchak. Jackson drew the Xs and Os, he wasn't called upon to sign or draft the players.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Mar 10, 2014 19:16:21 GMT -5
Seems like window dressing to fool Carmelo into returning.
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Post by millionurkle on Mar 10, 2014 20:38:44 GMT -5
What would be the benefit to this? All this would do would put undue pressure on whoever is coaching the New York Knicks. Any two-or-three-game losing streak would yield calls for Phil Jackson to step in as head coach from the fans and media. Also, Jackson is a coach and game manager, not a talent evaluator or general manager. The Bulls teams of the 1990s were built by Jerry Krause and Rod Thorn. The Lakers teams of the 2000s were constructed by Jerry West and Mitch Kupchak. Jackson drew the Xs and Os, he wasn't called upon to sign or draft the players. Neither was Pat Riley but look how that's turned out.
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Post by BRV on Mar 10, 2014 21:01:25 GMT -5
What would be the benefit to this? All this would do would put undue pressure on whoever is coaching the New York Knicks. Any two-or-three-game losing streak would yield calls for Phil Jackson to step in as head coach from the fans and media. Also, Jackson is a coach and game manager, not a talent evaluator or general manager. The Bulls teams of the 1990s were built by Jerry Krause and Rod Thorn. The Lakers teams of the 2000s were constructed by Jerry West and Mitch Kupchak. Jackson drew the Xs and Os, he wasn't called upon to sign or draft the players. Neither was Pat Riley but look how that's turned out. Pat Riley's also a greasy, Gordon Gekko snake-oil salesman who has the glitz and glamour of South Beach to support him. Phil Jackson is a Zen master who would be trying to recruit players to come to the northeast (Sure, it's New York City, but it's 20 degrees for about four months, and players take that stuff into consideration).
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 10, 2014 21:18:14 GMT -5
Players want to play in NYC. It's the biggest market and gives the most endorsement potential. A couple of bad months that you're going to spend largely on the road isn't going to deter a player who wants to maximize his bank account.
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Post by andrew8798 on Mar 10, 2014 23:02:07 GMT -5
That's number 17 for the Sixers. They are only two games behind Bucks for Worst Record in the NBA.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Mar 11, 2014 2:18:57 GMT -5
Players want to play in NYC. It's the biggest market and gives the most endorsement potential. A couple of bad months that you're going to spend largely on the road isn't going to deter a player who wants to maximize his bank account. Nike,Pepsi etc endorsements and the fans will follow the star players anywhere. A guy who can get a max contract with any team will pay less in state taxes outside of New York. And if a guy is trying to make it in the entertainment industry making LA connections makes more sense then NY. Regional and big market stuff does not matter like it does in MLB and NHL.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 11, 2014 5:39:47 GMT -5
Players want to play in NYC. It's the biggest market and gives the most endorsement potential. A couple of bad months that you're going to spend largely on the road isn't going to deter a player who wants to maximize his bank account. Nike,Pepsi etc endorsements and the fans will follow the star players anywhere. A guy who can get a max contract with any team will pay less in state taxes outside of New York. And if a guy is trying to make it in the entertainment industry making LA connections makes more sense then NY. Regional and big market stuff does not matter like it does in MLB and NHL. Fans of a player are less common than fans of a team, just ask Lebron. Fans of a team usually turn on players after they leave. And big market-small market is definitely a factor in their decisions (and that of their sponsors). Some players are big enough that it matters less, but for most of the league they need more exposure to get more lucrative deals, and you get more exposure in a few markets, New York included, than the rest of them. You're billboard is seen by more, ESPN and other sports media care more, so on and so forth. Advertisers care about that. Then there's the issue of social life, which also favors big cities (and players have been vocal about that in the past). They're not going to turn that away just because they don't like the weather for a few months of the year. There are cities that players want to play in more than others, and yes, LA and Miami with better weather are on the list, but New York is near the top of the list for what it offers.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Mar 11, 2014 15:12:46 GMT -5
Lebron's jersey are the hottest sellers. Sure they turned on him in Cleveland and The Big 3 became the NWO nationally but his whole career his jersey was always the hottest selling or one of the top 3 selling jerseys for 2 mid market teams. No one bought Cavs jersey before Lebron and when he left outside of Cleveland they might as well have been an NBDL team. If it was size the market and where the most people live then why has the Western Conf been boss the last 15 years and teams have no problem keeping players and landing free agents when essentially 75%-80 of the country live in EST or CT time zone. Just look at the Knicks they have not landed a top 10 or 15 player in the league in the last 30 years other then Ewing who they drafted and Melo through giving up a ton in trade.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 11, 2014 21:16:10 GMT -5
Lebron's jersey are the hottest sellers. Sure they turned on him in Cleveland and The Big 3 became the NWO nationally but his whole career his jersey was always the hottest selling or one of the top 3 selling jerseys for 2 mid market teams. No one bought Cavs jersey before Lebron and when he left outside of Cleveland they might as well have been an NBDL team. If it was size the market and where the most people live then why has the Western Conf been boss the last 15 years and teams have no problem keeping players and landing free agents when essentially 75%-80 of the country live in EST or CT time zone. Just look at the Knicks they have not landed a top 10 or 15 player in the league in the last 30 years other then Ewing who they drafted and Melo through giving up a ton in trade. I didn't say it was just the size, it's about exposure and to get exposure you need both tv market size and success. And NYC is one of the markets that gets a ton of exposure if they're doing well. It's not the only one, but if you're good in New York, you're going to be plastered in far more places than if you're good in Milwuakee. Add that into having a ton of amenities and you get a place that is more desirable. Players care about that, they want towns with things to do and they want to win. But since we want to talk about the size of the market, when you take the full metropolitan areas into account, Miami isn't a true mid market. They're the 8th largest metropolitan area in the country. Of the other Western teams that have won the title in the last decade, you have Dallas (#4) and LA (#2). You can't really say size of the market doesn't matter if you're pointing to LA as your counterpoint. In the east, we have Detroit (which used to be much bigger when they won pre-collapse), and Boston (#10). The only team not in a top 10 market to have won a title is San Antonio, and they're not a team that's running off of a bunch of big name free agents, but aging veterans (helps that Tim Duncan is basically the anti-superstar in terms of personality and he won early in his career)and a core of young guys who they develop, exactly like a smaller market team does. Oh, and Houston is number 5, which makes keeping Harden and getting Howard well within the realm of larger teams get more breaks. The big time free agents apparently do favor larger teams more. That's how it usually works, big market teams can throw money around, small market teams have to draft well adn develop their talent and hope that they can sustain that for a long time if hey can win a title early. Why haven't the Knicks gotten these players? Because they're a terribly run team and big name free agents want to go to either a winner or a team that will give them the most. The Knicks are so bad that they can't do either, and they have to compete with better run teams that can in LA, Boston and Miami. If a free agent is presented with a choice, they'll go to a market that improves their endorsement potential both on size and ability, if they're not taking a deal just for the money. If players think the Knicks are going to turn it around and the Knicks can offer them a bucket full of Benjamins, they'll take a longer look at them. They're not spurning the Knicks because of the weather, they're spurning them because they're not good on a consistent enough basis.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 11, 2014 21:48:37 GMT -5
Thunder get a much needed win against a good team there.
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Post by thetower52 on Mar 11, 2014 22:04:07 GMT -5
God damn it Portland
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 11, 2014 22:42:06 GMT -5
Thunder get a much needed win against a good team there. That is a big win for the Thunder especially with the tear the Clippers have been on.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Mar 12, 2014 0:25:26 GMT -5
The funny thing with Miami is that they were selling hot jerseys long before LeBron- Wade/Shaq, hell even Mourning and Hardaway!
Look at KG- he practically made Minnesota cool.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Mar 12, 2014 9:43:53 GMT -5
Spurs are pretty good. And so many people wrote them off this year.
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