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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 15, 2014 15:27:00 GMT -5
Hi, everyone. I'm starting a Wyoming based promotion and was wondering what cities some of the folks in the board were in or would recommend. I was planning on taking the show on the road and visiting some of the surrounding states as well (Montana, Nebraska, South Dakota etc) so it would be cool to hear about some cities in the 'empty quarter' I may have overlooked. I'm not looking to take on TNA or WWE exactly, but these states tend to be overlooked as far as live entertainment goes. Most of the wrestlers are coming from pretty far as well, so if anyone knows a few closer to home, that would be cool as well as the more we have the better the battle royals will be and the longer the shows
Sorry, not letting you use the board to solicit funds. -Kash
The "solicitation of funds" assumption was a little off, the link originally posted is where pictures of the belts, ring, and potential wrestlers comprising the roster and other stuff is posted. Not really working on SEO atm as I don't think it's too hard to get to the top in a state with 562,000 people. -BSW
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Mar 15, 2014 15:50:52 GMT -5
A note on this:
Use good local talent as much as possible, I'm not in the States so I can't help putting you in touch with these guys but young local talent tend to be more hungry and will cut your costs in pulling in guys further afield looking for another payday. Also using local guys you can build a core of talent who you can have on every show, get your fans used to and make stars instead of looking to other promotions and other 'territories' to raise your talent for you. Also when booking out of town workers make sure you listen to their recommendations of other talent, if they're good and will travel with the talent your already booking it will once again cut costs. Try and book workers 'by the car' rather than on an individual basis.
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Post by jagilki on Mar 15, 2014 21:36:36 GMT -5
You said your Base of Operations would be Lusk. I know quite a few years back there was a promotion over in Rapid City SD, but it's been gone for a while (like 2001 or so).
I believe there's something around Utah? Not sure. Local indy stars would be hard to find I'd think, due to no current promotions around and no Schools around.
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Post by Reflecto on Mar 15, 2014 22:28:35 GMT -5
A note on this: Use good local talent as much as possible, I'm not in the States so I can't help putting you in touch with these guys but young local talent tend to be more hungry and will cut your costs in pulling in guys further afield looking for another payday. Also using local guys you can build a core of talent who you can have on every show, get your fans used to and make stars instead of looking to other promotions and other 'territories' to raise your talent for you. Also when booking out of town workers make sure you listen to their recommendations of other talent, if they're good and will travel with the talent your already booking it will once again cut costs. Try and book workers 'by the car' rather than on an individual basis. In addition, you'll probably have to open up a wrestling school as well, especially since it's such a hard place to get young local talent (at least a school can give you trainees to work it). You may even have to be prepared to bite the bullet and openly book yardtards in the area just due to that same problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 0:54:32 GMT -5
Why start a promotion somewhere if you don't already have a group of wrestlers readily available to comprise a roster for the shows? It sounds like an idea that hasn't been well thought out.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 16, 2014 6:33:21 GMT -5
A note on this: Use good local talent as much as possible, I'm not in the States so I can't help putting you in touch with these guys but young local talent tend to be more hungry and will cut your costs in pulling in guys further afield looking for another payday. Also using local guys you can build a core of talent who you can have on every show, get your fans used to and make stars instead of looking to other promotions and other 'territories' to raise your talent for you. Also when booking out of town workers make sure you listen to their recommendations of other talent, if they're good and will travel with the talent your already booking it will once again cut costs. Try and book workers 'by the car' rather than on an individual basis. In addition, you'll probably have to open up a wrestling school as well, especially since it's such a hard place to get young local talent (at least a school can give you trainees to work it). You may even have to be prepared to bite the bullet and openly book yardtards in the area just due to that same problem. Sound advice all around, thank you, everyone. The biggest hurdle seems the low population. I was kind of figuring I would have to open a school. It's not impossible, just a little scary of a prospect because of those stories that creep up about unfortunate incidents and accidents. It would be really cool to have some homegrown talent from the region though, for sure. Most of the wrestlers would be coming from Colorado and Kansas, if I can find some from the Rapid City area, it would be a godsend, something to look into for sure. |
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 16, 2014 6:57:00 GMT -5
Why start a promotion somewhere if you don't already have a group of wrestlers readily available to comprise a roster for the shows? It sounds like an idea that hasn't been well thought out. There are wrestlers readily available to comprise the roster, there's just not many within the state. The whole state has a lower population than the city of San Francisco. Can't really avoid that, it's the empty quarter after all. Luckily we're surrounded by 5 states with higher populations. There are 2 states within an hour from Lusk and Colorado is 2 or 3 hours away. Those aren't ideal conditions like a metro area but it isn't uncommon for wrestlers to travel that far even in more populated areas. Striving for more talent to rotate is a pretty reasonable goal. A battle royal type match would also be pretty different with 20-30 wrestlers vs 10 or 15. |
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Post by jason1980s on Mar 16, 2014 9:00:44 GMT -5
Whatever you do, ADVERTISE!
People do want to see wrestling. They want to meet their heroes and the up and comers. They want to have a few hours of quality entertainment for a low price.
A lot of times, I find out about a show AFTER it was advertised. I know a few wrestlers and when they tell me about a show, sometimes I can't even find the information on google. Sometimes the info may be on their facebook but not seen to a wider audience.
Wrestlingfigs.com posts indy show posters. That's a great resource.
Another thing is, learn who and who isn't reliable. You don't want your first show to be a bust because the main eventer took your money and ran.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Mar 16, 2014 9:27:58 GMT -5
Whatever you do, ADVERTISE! People do want to see wrestling. They want to meet their heroes and the up and comers. They want to have a few hours of quality entertainment for a low price. A lot of times, I find out about a show AFTER it was advertised. I know a few wrestlers and when they tell me about a show, sometimes I can't even find the information on google. Sometimes the info may be on their facebook but not seen to a wider audience. Wrestlingfigs.com posts indy show posters. That's a great resource. Another thing is, learn who and who isn't reliable. You don't want your first show to be a bust because the main eventer took your money and ran. Yeah advertising is a HUGE thing, the more advertising you have and the more advertising outlets you have then the more people you get through the door, you want to hook in as many people as possible and try and get some first timers through the door at every event to build your numbers. This sometimes isn't possible by doing a few facebook posts as you're hitting the same people time and again, think outside the box, promote heavily locally with posters and flyers and always try and grow your audience. I will also say to bring in 'casual' fans you want workers who look great, don't worry too much about their work rate, as long as they have a basic understanding of how to work a crowd and can put together a basic match that's all that matters. Look and character is EVERYTHING, you can't put work rate on a poster, you can put a guy with a cool outfit or amazing body on there. That is what will sell tickets. |
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Post by jagilki on Mar 16, 2014 10:49:36 GMT -5
I would agree with the advertising thing. The Rapid City Promotion I mentioned, was around for years and I lived in Rapid for a short while. I never heard of it until the Newspaper had an article on them.... when they closed.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 16, 2014 19:13:54 GMT -5
Whatever you do, ADVERTISE! People do want to see wrestling. They want to meet their heroes and the up and comers. They want to have a few hours of quality entertainment for a low price. A lot of times, I find out about a show AFTER it was advertised. I know a few wrestlers and when they tell me about a show, sometimes I can't even find the information on google. Sometimes the info may be on their facebook but not seen to a wider audience. Wrestlingfigs.com posts indy show posters. That's a great resource. Another thing is, learn who and who isn't reliable. You don't want your first show to be a bust because the main eventer took your money and ran. Yeah advertising is a HUGE thing, the more advertising you have and the more advertising outlets you have then the more people you get through the door, you want to hook in as many people as possible and try and get some first timers through the door at every event to build your numbers. This sometimes isn't possible by doing a few facebook posts as you're hitting the same people time and again, think outside the box, promote heavily locally with posters and flyers and always try and grow your audience. I will also say to bring in 'casual' fans you want workers who look great, don't worry too much about their work rate, as long as they have a basic understanding of how to work a crowd and can put together a basic match that's all that matters. Look and character is EVERYTHING, you can't put work rate on a poster, you can put a guy with a cool outfit or amazing body on there. That is what will sell tickets. I've had that happen too where I found out about a show way after the fact. One thing about the population out here is I can't find podcasts to advertise with, so going to have to go with radio as one of the methods to get the name out there. I just sorta like supporting smaller outfits, but I guess that's unavoidable. Even if the first few shows aren't that packed, I was kind of expecting it to take awhile for word to get out and there will honestly probably be a few towns where we will run the shows far more often than others, but a single show a week would be nice to start out. |
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Post by jagilki on Mar 16, 2014 19:41:21 GMT -5
Might be worth scheduling around other events. Fairs, Rodeos, ETC. Also Sturgis week might be a fairly smart week for the Northeast portion of the State.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Mar 16, 2014 20:17:43 GMT -5
I'll let the self promoting go this time, but signing up on the board to solicit funds isn't going to fly.
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Post by 2 Cold Scorkum on Mar 16, 2014 20:39:52 GMT -5
i call shenanigans on you claiming to be from "wyoming" good sir
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 16, 2014 22:24:59 GMT -5
I'll let the self promoting go this time, but signing up on the board to solicit funds isn't going to fly. I didn't sign up to solicit funds. Someone was confusing me with someone trying to buy TNA in another thread and I came to clear the misunderstanding up. Someone on that thread suggested coming to the (W)rest of wrestling section. It's more publicity and awareness than anything, as I've already stated the crowd-funding is primarily a centralized locale for updates and for sponsors. Being that the Wyoming residents that got in on the other thread would be exactly who a local promotion is targeting, it's not smart to disregard feedback and get a feel for the pulse of just such a community. @ 2 Cold, I never said I was *from* Wyoming. I have made no secret about being a transplant. I have another chamber of commerce business in Niobrara and everyone is aware we're newer folk. Word travels quite fast in such a small community... |
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Mar 16, 2014 22:49:47 GMT -5
So, 'bout ya'lls domain names, yeah.
A WhoIs results with this
Registrant Name: Resist Tyranny
Registrant Organization: We Are Change SF
Updated Date: 25-jan-2014
Creation Date: 25-jan-2014
Expiration Date: 25-jan-2016
The rest of the contact info is masked. Which is understandable.
But the registrant name is a pseudonym, which when Googled just kind of is a bunch of political stuff.
And We Are Change SF is a 'grassroots community action organization.' Most of the other high ranking results tie into them in some way shape or form. They are masking their information as well.
And the Indie GoGo campaign is under F Falcon. Which, if you are a sentient Lockheed Martin aircraft would be cool. I doubt it, but it would be cool.
Listen, I am just throwing information out, to be fair.
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Post by thetower52 on Mar 17, 2014 2:24:16 GMT -5
If you have to crowd fund to get money you will fail.
Always pay your boys
Never pay them less then 25 bucks.
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 17, 2014 4:09:50 GMT -5
If you have to crowd fund to get money you will fail. Always pay your boys Never pay them less then 25 bucks. Luckily crowd-funding is optional. Half the stuff on the page (which was linked once, I'm not inserting it in each post) are updates and if you go far back enough you can even see as the ring was being transported. The concept of crowd-funding in a sense is based on social capital. I am not saying there isn't a component of other capital (money), but when you see things like "hey we have tag belts" and then the ring and the like, you see what money is spent on etc. How many phone calls, emails, research etc went into getting to the point of "there's a ring sitting in that guy's garage" shows progress of someone just thinking about starting a indie and then doing all the stuff in between into making it pull together. That being said, it won't show phone calls or meetings of people getting together to seed a company. The campaign hasn't even raised $1800 but yet a ring and belts were purchased so a heck of a lot more money than $1800 had to be available beforehand. I'm not saying it would be impossible to actually raise all the capital that would be needed for something like this, but it's highly unlikely. It does take heaps more than $1800 though, and that's before you've even had a show. You then have to shell out over a thousand on the day of the show for the wrestlers, security, crew, announcers, refs etc. I'm sorta feeling like all the wrestling promoter simulation games out there aren't realistic enough. |
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Post by BigSkyWrestling/WyomingProWres on Mar 17, 2014 6:36:41 GMT -5
So, 'bout ya'lls domain names, yeah. A WhoIs results with this Registrant Name: Resist Tyranny Registrant Organization: We Are Change SF Updated Date: 25-jan-2014 Creation Date: 25-jan-2014 Expiration Date: 25-jan-2016 The rest of the contact info is masked. Which is understandable. But the registrant name is a pseudonym, which when Googled just kind of is a bunch of political stuff. And We Are Change SF is a 'grassroots community action organization.' Most of the other high ranking results tie into them in some way shape or form. They are masking their information as well. And the Indie GoGo campaign is under F Falcon. Which, if you are a sentient Lockheed Martin aircraft would be cool. I doubt it, but it would be cool. Listen, I am just throwing information out, to be fair. Fair enough. Now everyone knows I hired someone to centrally run my domains instead of paying on a per case basis with the default company the registrar offers for an additional $10 per domain per year to gatekeep inquiries and spammers that try to buy or sell domains through whois lookups. delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/controllerEntity Details THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT OF GOOD STANDING File Number: 2133300 Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 07/28/1987 (mm/dd/yyyy) Entity Name: WORLD WRESTLING ENTERTAINMENT, INC. Entity Kind: CORPORATION Entity Type: GENERAL Residency: DOMESTIC State: DE REGISTERED AGENT INFORMATION Name: THE CORPORATION TRUST COMPANY Address: CORPORATION TRUST CENTER 1209 ORANGE ST City: WILMINGTON County: NEW CASTLE State: DE Postal Code: 19801 Phone: (302)658-7581 Even finding the corporate entity and file number of a company, an additional company providing registered agent services is often used. Most states require that there be a legal resident (sentient or corporate) that resides in the state of the corporation or entity was formed in and the yearly fee for that is much cheaper than renting an apartment in that state. That search still provided nothing as to who the shareholders are any more than if I did a whois search on the WWE domain. As far as politics goes, I'm not gonna throw the guy under the bus for having political beliefs. I don't go around to restaurants when I'm on the road asking folks what their political beliefs are before buying a meal or deciding if I'll print stuff at their Kinko's branch. |
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Mar 17, 2014 7:04:49 GMT -5
So, 'bout ya'lls domain names, yeah. A WhoIs results with this Registrant Name: Resist Tyranny Registrant Organization: We Are Change SF Updated Date: 25-jan-2014 Creation Date: 25-jan-2014 Expiration Date: 25-jan-2016 The rest of the contact info is masked. Which is understandable. But the registrant name is a pseudonym, which when Googled just kind of is a bunch of political stuff. And We Are Change SF is a 'grassroots community action organization.' Most of the other high ranking results tie into them in some way shape or form. They are masking their information as well. And the Indie GoGo campaign is under F Falcon. Which, if you are a sentient Lockheed Martin aircraft would be cool. I doubt it, but it would be cool. Listen, I am just throwing information out, to be fair. Fair enough. Now everyone knows I hired someone to centrally run my domains instead of paying on a per case basis with the default company the registrar offers for an additional $10 per domain per year to gatekeep inquiries and spammers that try to buy or sell domains through whois lookups. delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/controllerEntity Details THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT OF GOOD STANDING File Number: 2133300 Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 07/28/1987 (mm/dd/yyyy) Entity Name: WORLD WRESTLING ENTERTAINMENT, INC. Entity Kind: CORPORATION Entity Type: GENERAL Residency: DOMESTIC State: DE REGISTERED AGENT INFORMATION Name: THE CORPORATION TRUST COMPANY Address: CORPORATION TRUST CENTER 1209 ORANGE ST City: WILMINGTON County: NEW CASTLE State: DE Postal Code: 19801 Phone: (302)658-7581 Even finding the corporate entity and file number of a company, an additional company providing registered agent services is often used. Most states require that there be a legal resident (sentient or corporate) that resides in the state of the corporation or entity was formed in and the yearly fee for that is much cheaper than renting an apartment in that state. That search still provided nothing as to who the shareholders are any more than if I did a whois search on the WWE domain. As far as politics goes, I'm not gonna throw the guy under the bus for having political beliefs. I don't go around to restaurants when I'm on the road asking folks what their political beliefs are before buying a meal or deciding if I'll print stuff at their Kinko's branch. I did state I understood the masking, given that I do some work for a registrar, I kind of encourage it due to other companies predacious business practices, as well as scamming. That was not my issue. My issue was the registrant name, and registrant corporation, that is what raised my flags. As, in general, you pay the registrar the extra fee to mask the contact information (which ICANN requires, but they allow for the privacy option as well, more of a 'as long as some information is there'). The actually registrant (entity that registers the domain name) is NOT masked by the privacy option. Knowing what I do, that means that the effective legal owner of wyomingprowrestling.com and bigskywrestling.com is "Resist Tyranny." And the organization is not the name of the company. Because the registrar is clearly GoDaddy, so I know who the domain names are through, I know when the rights were purchased. That coupled with the Indie GoGo campaign that is under what looks like a psuedonym raises alarm bells. Again, this was a cursory askance look, well at least for me. I know that is someone ISN'T listed as a registrant, then they effectively don't own the domain, and even if they held a trademark, ICANN tends to not give a damn, especially if the trademark post dates the registration date. I felt bad for the guy who registered a Domain Name in his teenage years under the registrant/legal owner of The Ministry of Funny Walks. Really what I am saying is, given what you said, don't f***ing trust your webmaster, or whoever you hired. And be prepared to do a UDRP, gnso.icann.org/en/council/policy/udrp |
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