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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 18, 2014 20:12:21 GMT -5
I'm sticking with my "Itchy And Scratchy Land shortcut" analogy... They've gotten to where they should have been all along, but dammit if they didn't take the most convoluted, unnecessary and difficult route to get there.
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Post by angryfan on Mar 18, 2014 20:15:10 GMT -5
It's, to me, more Murphy's Law than Wait and See. When Bryan got screwed for the second time, was Batista even a blip on the radar? When he did come back, and it was just glaringly obvious that Bats was winning the Rumble, the "maybe not" wasn't Bryan, it was Punk. Punk's alternative match wasn't the title match, or the Wyatts, it was facing Trips.
I waited and saw for two PPV's, but then gave up. For me to see this as anything other than them lucking into a payday and an old school "slow burn", I have to accept that in September they knew Batista was coming back, would win the Rumble to a chorus of boos, be rejected by the fans, and that the night after the Rumble, Punk would walk out.
The Punk thing could be a work, I guess, however distant it might be, but if they planned for their returning "legend" to be rejected so loudly, then they're both psychic and insane.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Mar 18, 2014 20:15:54 GMT -5
I'm sticking with my "Itchy And Scratchy Land shortcut" analogy... They've gotten to where they should have been along, but dammit if they didn't take the most convoluted, unnecessary and difficult route to get there. Now, let us never speak of The Shortcut ever again.
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Post by abjordans on Mar 18, 2014 20:38:58 GMT -5
I think how awesome WM is shaping up and has the potential to be, how awesome the last two Raws have been, and the hope of the first huge WM moment in years makes up for how we got here. Who cares if they stumbled into it, it's awesome and it really seems like all the players are into it. Orton is on fire, Batista seems to be sinking his teeth into his roll instead of half assing because of the changes. I will take a super hot build to Mania in exchange for a boring several months any day. The last several Mania seasons have felt very wooden and hollow to me. We finally got some life this time of year.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 18, 2014 21:14:25 GMT -5
My belief is that when you shoehorn forced booking, the performers are less enthusiastic. When you book properly and organically, everyone gets into it with more gusto, which is why practically everyone was good on RAW. Compare Batista getting booed when he was supposed to be a returning hero, to the logical role he's playing now. It's a world of difference.
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Post by mrjl on Mar 18, 2014 21:23:56 GMT -5
It's, to me, more Murphy's Law than Wait and See. When Bryan got screwed for the second time, was Batista even a blip on the radar? When he did come back, and it was just glaringly obvious that Bats was winning the Rumble, the "maybe not" wasn't Bryan, it was Punk. Punk's alternative match wasn't the title match, or the Wyatts, it was facing Trips. I waited and saw for two PPV's, but then gave up. For me to see this as anything other than them lucking into a payday and an old school "slow burn", I have to accept that in September they knew Batista was coming back, would win the Rumble to a chorus of boos, be rejected by the fans, and that the night after the Rumble, Punk would walk out. The Punk thing could be a work, I guess, however distant it might be, but if they planned for their returning "legend" to be rejected so loudly, then they're both psychic and insane. searching for Batista returns to WWE 2013, I've seen the idea mentioned last May, June, July and September on NEWZ sites.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 21:29:07 GMT -5
I think PEOPLE POWER has paid off, not Wait & See. Also SERENDIPITY.
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Post by angryfan on Mar 18, 2014 21:52:01 GMT -5
It's, to me, more Murphy's Law than Wait and See. When Bryan got screwed for the second time, was Batista even a blip on the radar? When he did come back, and it was just glaringly obvious that Bats was winning the Rumble, the "maybe not" wasn't Bryan, it was Punk. Punk's alternative match wasn't the title match, or the Wyatts, it was facing Trips. I waited and saw for two PPV's, but then gave up. For me to see this as anything other than them lucking into a payday and an old school "slow burn", I have to accept that in September they knew Batista was coming back, would win the Rumble to a chorus of boos, be rejected by the fans, and that the night after the Rumble, Punk would walk out. The Punk thing could be a work, I guess, however distant it might be, but if they planned for their returning "legend" to be rejected so loudly, then they're both psychic and insane. searching for Batista returns to WWE 2013, I've seen the idea mentioned last May, June, July and September on NEWZ sites. So then Punk leaving is part of a huge work, Batista they knew would come back and immediately be rejected by the live audience? It's not out of the realm, once again, but to actually expect the last part seems, once again, completely insane. Even heel nostalgia acts get returning hero pops.
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Post by mrjl on Mar 18, 2014 21:57:35 GMT -5
searching for Batista returns to WWE 2013, I've seen the idea mentioned last May, June, July and September on NEWZ sites. So then Punk leaving is part of a huge work, Batista they knew would come back and immediately be rejected by the live audience? It's not out of the realm, once again, but to actually expect the last part seems, once again, completely insane. Even heel nostalgia acts get returning hero pops. nah, I think Punk was the odd man out, and people were just guessing with Trips/Punk. Or when WWE first considered that they thought of just putting Bryan in in a triple threat. Batista didn't have to turn heel for Bryan to get put in the match
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Mar 18, 2014 22:07:19 GMT -5
After this past Monday, the angle now feels more like it's about what Triple H is going to do rather than what Daniel Bryan ought to be doing. "How vicious is Triple H? Will he screw over Bryan yet again? Will he push Orton and Batista out of his good graces once and for all? Will the hubris of the Authority be its downfall? Will Triple H actually put himself in the main event of Wrestlemania? Can Triple H actually be stopped? Will Stephanie ever receive her comeuppance?" And so on and so on.
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 18, 2014 22:15:57 GMT -5
I'll just re-post what I said in another thread. This situation is like if a college student bets his friends that he can get an A on his final paper and pulls an overnighter to write the paper but still gets the A. Would it have been better for him to write his paper ahead of time? Sure but an A is still an A. Bad process-->Good results still leads to the result you want. Would Good process--->Good result be better? Sure but in the end of the day they both give you what they want. That's how I feel about this situation.
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Post by molson5 on Mar 18, 2014 23:06:09 GMT -5
If they did the Bryan push with no build we wouldn't be in this spot now. Bryan probably wouldn't even be champion anymore.
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Post by kingbookermark on Mar 19, 2014 1:12:53 GMT -5
We didn't wait 4 seasons for this to turn around. Summerslam was in August lol.
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Post by Magnum Opus on Mar 19, 2014 2:45:23 GMT -5
I'll just re-post what I said in another thread. This situation is like if a college student bets his friends that he can get an A on his final paper and pulls an overnighter to write the paper but still gets the A. Would it have been better for him to write his paper ahead of time? Sure but an A is still an A. Bad process-->Good results still leads to the result you want. Would Good process--->Good result be better? Sure but in the end of the day they both give you what they want. That's how I feel about this situation. No, christ, a thousand times no. WWE is a never ending TV show. There is no "results". There is only "process". Six months of awful TV is six months of awful TV no matter what happens afterwards.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Mar 19, 2014 2:48:54 GMT -5
Enduring this storyline, is like Andy Dufrense's escape from Shawshank. Yeah, we're all gonna come out clean, on the other side, but we still had to crawl through a river of shit to get there. "Phil Brooks was here" sadly carved into a motel room wall.
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Post by The Yes Man on Mar 19, 2014 2:54:20 GMT -5
note author=" kingbookermark" source="/post/10532348/thread" timestamp="1395209573"]We didn't wait 4 seasons for this to turn around. Summerslam was in August lol. [/quote] It's been more than 30 weeks since SummerSlam. 7 hours a week times 7 = 210. Not counting PPV's. That's way more than 4 seasons worth of TV.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 19, 2014 2:58:04 GMT -5
If they did the Bryan push with no build we wouldn't be in this spot now. Bryan probably wouldn't even be champion anymore. Honestly part of me feels that's how it should've gone. Bryan should've gotten a decent length reign with the title after Summerslam as a fighting champion, gotten screwed out of it, try to get the title back only to be screwed, then move on to triumphing over HHH in the main event of WM rather than it coming to this through sheer WTFery. Even if it was "the plan" (which it obviously wasn't) as some sort of means to get sympathy for Bryan to "make him more over", he didn't really need it because he's already the most over guy on the roster.
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Post by kingbookermark on Mar 19, 2014 3:01:51 GMT -5
note author=" kingbookermark" source="/post/10532348/thread" timestamp="1395209573"]We didn't wait 4 seasons for this to turn around. Summerslam was in August lol. It's been more than 30 weeks since SummerSlam. 7 hours a week times 7 = 210. Not counting PPV's. That's way more than 4 seasons worth of TV.[/quote] That is splitting hairs & making things up. It was not 30 weeks of continuous Daniel Bryan story progression. Not every match or segment he had was against the Authority or Randy Orton for the title. Remember the 10 weeks against the Wyatts? WWE was not as bad as Dragon Ball Z here. You're definitely guilty of over-exaggeration.
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Post by kingbookermark on Mar 19, 2014 3:03:52 GMT -5
Also his segments/matches etc were usually 20 minutes max. I'm analyzing this too much but you're just wrong. Sorry sir.
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Post by kingbookermark on Mar 19, 2014 3:19:17 GMT -5
Before everyone jumps on me, my intro was made partly in jest but I just have to say I never doubted for one second since SummerSlam ended that this was going to be the end result at Wrestlemania XXX: Daniel Bryan vs. Orton (Didn't know Batista was coming back yet) for the WWE title.
I give my willingness to Wait & See the victory in jest, but it makes the pay off even sweeter when people, who hate on everything first, now warm up to things when they do it right. Hubris is an amazing thing to witness & the doubters on this board get to succumb to it often because they just cannot be patient.
I do realize the WWE mishandled this push & that this was also partially the result of Punk's departure but I do declared loud & proud that Wait & See paid off for me because we ended roughly where I thought I'd be at Wrestlemania XXX back in August.
You gotta Wait & See because it's WWE in my opinion.
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