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Post by Smasher1311 on Apr 25, 2014 21:45:07 GMT -5
Since the HoF started an hour later than I thought (8 instead of 7), I watched an hour of Slamboree 2000, known primarily for the "gay porn poster" of Buff Bagwell and David Arquette defending the WCW Title in the Triple Tiered cage match.
I did laugh when Mark Madden got stuck looking at a bare-assed Ralphus moments after seeing Paisley strip Tammy Sytch of her short mini-dress. Serves that jerk right. The poster might have been bad as hell but Slamboree 2000 was not that bad. I enjoyed the Triple Cage Match, and it is a stipulation that i pretty much think that should return at some time, because i liked the concept.
Still one of the worst posters ever. >_>
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 25, 2014 22:35:12 GMT -5
The sad thing about Slamboree 2000 is that David Arquette may well have been involved in the best match WCW produced that year. The triple decker cage match was actually good stuff since he largely cowered in fear and let DDP and Jarrett do the work.
WCW's PPVs post HH 2000 are actually pretty good if I recall. There's enough decent stuff on most of those very late era PPVs to not warrant being on this list. SuperBrawl 2001 and Greed were both good PPVs that did .10 buyrates.
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Post by franchisedavis on Apr 26, 2014 14:21:17 GMT -5
Souled Out 2000 was terrible. Where do I start?
First off the production value is terrible, WCW tried being "edgy" so they have this weird moving camera crap going on with interviews.
Back stage interviews, seems like there are too many. WCW had just changed their logo, so who's brilliant idea was it to use the old WCW logos in the backdrop for interview segments? Any why are so many guys getting random beat downs in the backstage area?
The whole entrance way seemed cheesy. The match graphics look like they were done last second and make everything look cheap, like a CZW ppv or something.
Now on to the matches. 1st off it seemed like they jammed way to many matches into this PPV, like the guys who just wrestled are passing by the guys for the next match.
Kidman vs Malenko - Looks great on paper, ends up with a botched finish
Vampiro vs David Flair vs Crowbar - This whole match was stupid
Big Vito and Johnny the Bull vs the Harris brother - Another snorefest, I can't figure out what this match was accomplishing. Unless they were just trying to get these guys a PPV pay day
Oklahoma vs Madusa - Another crappy idea, who's idea was it to give Oklahoma the title? And how is he under the weight limit?
The hardcore match - It is what it is, but why do you have Knobbs and Finley wearing the same ring gear? yeah I get that he helped him get into the hardcore division but he has to wear the same ring gear?
Kidman vs Saturn - this so far is probably the best match of the night, leaving Kidman to go up against the "secret" opponent
Booker T vs Stevie Ray - What in the hell is Booker T wearing? it looks like he has his ring gear on backward and he forgets what to say in his promo then remembers last second and tries to fit it in his bumbling promo. Midnight? Anyone remember her in WCW? Yeah thought so
Tank Abbott vs Jerry Flynn - Who ever thought Jerry Flynn would be entertaining and a good fit to have on WCW PPVs? This ending is botched even though its suppose to be a shoot fight.
Buff vs DDP in a last man standing match- Apparently DDP thinks Buff gave his stuff to Kimberly. So they fight, I assume this ending is botched and Kimberly didn't come out for her cue and it screws up the finish.
Secret opponent for Kidman is the Wall in a Hell in a Cell rip off. No reason for a Hell in a Cell at all, this isn't the blow off to some huge feud. They just debut this cage for The Wall and Kidman. Then Kidman after winning the first two matches, this is WCW wanting to push Kidman right? Wrong he loses clean to The Wall.
Nash vs Terry Funk - Nash wins and become commissioner. What can you do with Funk who can barely walk to the ring?
I still have the rest of the PPV to watch but I had to get on here and give my thoughts on how terrible this PPV is. Good god what a train wreck
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 26, 2014 16:00:28 GMT -5
Wait, you're 11 matches in and you still have 'rest of it to watch'?
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Post by king1836 on Apr 26, 2014 16:04:54 GMT -5
Halloween Havoc 95 is just fantastically awful. I LOVE it though because it was the first live Wcw PPV I ever saw. I agree. That show was so bad it was actually good
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 26, 2014 17:17:21 GMT -5
Isn't there some actually decent stuff on that Havoc though? I think Pillman vs. Johnny B. Badd is a good match and also you have the Horsemen reforming with Flair turning on Sting in that tag match. Of course the entire main event scenario is so hilariously bad that it's must see TV.
As far as Souled Out 2000 goes, you only have the main event left. Souled Out is the worst of these PPVs and it might get my vote for the worst PPV ever. It's not just bad. It isn't just boring. It actively creates anger within the viewer. Oh and for what it's worth regarding the Crowbar match...seeing that show made me realize that Devon Storm had no idea how to do that gimmick right. The dude simply busts out entirely too many cool high spots for a guy who was some nut David Flair found working at a gas station. How would a barely trained gas station attendant know how to do crazy moonsaults and intricate spots? It would be like seeing Luke Harper out there doing northern lights suplexes and stuff. You have to wrestle like your gimmick.
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Post by franchisedavis on Apr 26, 2014 17:19:41 GMT -5
Wait, you're 11 matches in and you still have 'rest of it to watch'? Yeah, I still have the Main event that got switched last minute I guess because Bret Hart was hurt. I believe its Benoit vs Sid Another thing about this. Why have Hell in a Cell type structure and not use it except like 1 spot? Just so it would look cool to the fans? And who's the genius that thought that the tv audience didn't need to hear the ring announcer announcing the wrestlers? I think this was an issue for WCW for years but boy does it stick out like sore thumb at this PPV.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 26, 2014 17:23:47 GMT -5
Wait, you're 11 matches in and you still have 'rest of it to watch'? Yeah, I still have the Main event that got switched last minute I guess because Bret Hart was hurt. I believe its Benoit vs Sid Another thing about this. Why have Hell in a Cell type structure and not use it except like 1 spot? Just so it would look cool to the fans? And who's the genius that thought that the tv audience didn't need to hear the ring announcer announcing the wrestlers? I think this was an issue for WCW for years but boy does it stick out like sore thumb at this PPV. Watch Starrcade 1998. Kevin Nash's introduction is about a year and a half long.
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Post by franchisedavis on Apr 26, 2014 17:29:47 GMT -5
Isn't there some actually decent stuff on that Havoc though? I think Pillman vs. Johnny B. Badd is a good match and also you have the Horsemen reforming with Flair turning on Sting in that tag match. Of course the entire main event scenario is so hilariously bad that it's must see TV. As far as Souled Out 2000 goes, you only have the main event left. Souled Out is the worst of these PPVs and it might get my vote for the worst PPV ever. It's not just bad. It isn't just boring. It actively creates anger within the viewer. Oh and for what it's worth regarding the Crowbar match...seeing that show made me realize that Devon Storm had no idea how to do that gimmick right. The dude simply busts out entirely too many cool high spots for a guy who was some nut David Flair found working at a gas station. How would a barely trained gas station attendant know how to do crazy moonsaults and intricate spots? It would be like seeing Luke Harper out there doing northern lights suplexes and stuff. You have to wrestle like your gimmick. You nailed it, it creates anger in me. The reason it does this is because you can see that it was so phoned in by everyone. By the wrestlers, production, Schivone and Brain even give off that vibe. Who the hell was the talent evaluator at this point in WCW? You're telling me you couldn't find better talent that the Harris brothers and Jerry Flynn? I find that hard to believe considering all of the guys that were getting over in ECW or in the Indys. Great point with Devon Storm, makes me wonder how the announcers know the names of the moves. "He calls this move such and such." How do you know this? Was the wrestler in they gym with the announcer and said, here watch this move I call it Starship Pain. And IF that is the case, who's the poor sap that has to take all of these moves knowing that they hurt? Oh sure pick me to get my face kicked in all the time so you can try your new moves out to show the announcers!
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 26, 2014 18:05:13 GMT -5
Isn't there some actually decent stuff on that Havoc though? I think Pillman vs. Johnny B. Badd is a good match and also you have the Horsemen reforming with Flair turning on Sting in that tag match. Of course the entire main event scenario is so hilariously bad that it's must see TV. As far as Souled Out 2000 goes, you only have the main event left. Souled Out is the worst of these PPVs and it might get my vote for the worst PPV ever. It's not just bad. It isn't just boring. It actively creates anger within the viewer. Oh and for what it's worth regarding the Crowbar match...seeing that show made me realize that Devon Storm had no idea how to do that gimmick right. The dude simply busts out entirely too many cool high spots for a guy who was some nut David Flair found working at a gas station. How would a barely trained gas station attendant know how to do crazy moonsaults and intricate spots? It would be like seeing Luke Harper out there doing northern lights suplexes and stuff. You have to wrestle like your gimmick. You nailed it, it creates anger in me. The reason it does this is because you can see that it was so phoned in by everyone. By the wrestlers, production, Schivone and Brain even give off that vibe. Who the hell was the talent evaluator at this point in WCW? You're telling me you couldn't find better talent that the Harris brothers and Jerry Flynn? I find that hard to believe considering all of the guys that were getting over in ECW or in the Indys. Great point with Devon Storm, makes me wonder how the announcers know the names of the moves. "He calls this move such and such." How do you know this? Was the wrestler in they gym with the announcer and said, here watch this move I call it Starship Pain. And IF that is the case, who's the poor sap that has to take all of these moves knowing that they hurt? Oh sure pick me to get my face kicked in all the time so you can try your new moves out to show the announcers! Wrestling has sometimes had guys having sparring matches, like the Eugene and Regal segments, so presumably it is just some jobber paid for the opportunity to plan moves out on. I think most of the time, though, it's supposed to be like Crowbar or whoever just came to thee announcer before the show and said "Oh, my move is called this and this, you'll know when you see it." I had no problem with Devon, but I have a soft spot for him and Daffney, they were a lot of fun when WCW was decidedly not very fun at all for me at that point.
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Post by Shark on Apr 26, 2014 18:25:54 GMT -5
Yeah I used to hear several times an announcer say he was talking to said wrestler backstage and say he was going to bust out a new move and what it was to be called.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Apr 26, 2014 20:27:49 GMT -5
So after reading all the posts about the show, I decided to fire up Souled Out 2000 to see if it's as bad as everyone says.
WCW started the show by going over the entire card. AFTER fans already bought it.
Yeesh.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 26, 2014 20:41:45 GMT -5
So after reading all the posts about the show, I decided to fire up Souled Out 2000 to see if it's as bad as everyone says. WCW started the show by going over the entire card. AFTER fans already bought it. Yeesh. To be fair, they had to go over the entire card because half of it changed due to Hart and Jarrett's injuries.
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Post by franchisedavis on Apr 26, 2014 22:41:25 GMT -5
So after reading all the posts about the show, I decided to fire up Souled Out 2000 to see if it's as bad as everyone says. WCW started the show by going over the entire card. AFTER fans already bought it. Yeesh. Enjoy! Can't wait to hear what you have to say. And to agree with others the early Uncensoreds are awful as well. After Souled out was so great I had to see what was next. Just fired up Superbrawl 2000
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 27, 2014 14:23:22 GMT -5
At least James Brown makes a cameo there. At least I saw that SuperBrawl at a sports bar and didn't pay for the PPV, so it wasn't quite as bad. A college buddy and I tried it again the next month for Uncensored but found out Hoops was showing the NCAA tourney games and not the PPV, so we actually had to buy the PPV at the last minute!
Uncensored 1995 is goofy and bad but there's nothing business destroying about it. I actually had fun with that show it was so utterly insipid and weird.
Back to Souled Out however. Note Arn's promo before the main event where he essentially bemoans the fate of WCW as a promotion now that Nash is commissioner. You could tell he was talking about the real life promotion. It was such a depressing interview. That PPV is just...it's hard to find the adjectives.
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Post by blackmegaman on Apr 27, 2014 22:57:22 GMT -5
At least James Brown makes a cameo there. At least I saw that SuperBrawl at a sports bar and didn't pay for the PPV, so it wasn't quite as bad. A college buddy and I tried it again the next month for Uncensored but found out Hoops was showing the NCAA tourney games and not the PPV, so we actually had to buy the PPV at the last minute! Uncensored 1995 is goofy and bad but there's nothing business destroying about it. I actually had fun with that show it was so utterly insipid and weird. Back to Souled Out however. Note Arn's promo before the main event where he essentially bemoans the fate of WCW as a promotion now that Nash is commissioner. You could tell he was talking about the real life promotion. It was such a depressing interview. That PPV is just...it's hard to find the adjectives. ..........play.
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Post by madness50 on Apr 30, 2014 19:21:00 GMT -5
I don't think I have seen SummerSlam 1995 listed yet. That was by far the worst SummerSlam WWE has ever done. Just look at some of the card:
Barry Horowitz vs. Skip Bret Hart vs. Issac Yankem Bertha Faye vs. Alundra Blayze Diesel vs. King Mabel
Absolutely dog shit card, also the ring announcer sucked ass that night. Called Alundra Blayze a "he" and announced Diesel as still "World Razaing Federation champion".
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Post by cabbageboy on Apr 30, 2014 22:14:24 GMT -5
Give that SS 95 show another chance. Aside from the obviously lame main event it is actually quite a good PPV. I avoided it for years due to the main event, but then watched it years later in the SS box set and was shocked at how good a PPV it was. Horowitz/Skip is a good match actually, and so is Bret/Yankem. Kid/Hakushi is also solid fast paced stuff and HBK/Razor is an all time classic.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 30, 2014 22:35:14 GMT -5
I don't think I have seen SummerSlam 1995 listed yet. That was by far the worst SummerSlam WWE has ever done. Just look at some of the card: Barry Horowitz vs. Skip Bret Hart vs. Issac Yankem Bertha Faye vs. Alundra Blayze Diesel vs. King Mabel Absolutely dog shit card, also the ring announcer sucked ass that night. Called Alundra Blayze a "he" and announced Diesel as still "World Razaing Federation champion". I am less down on this PPV than you are, but I had to give this a like just for the mocking of the announcer cracking me up.
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Post by madness50 on Apr 30, 2014 23:25:24 GMT -5
Give that SS 95 show another chance. Aside from the obviously lame main event it is actually quite a good PPV. I avoided it for years due to the main event, but then watched it years later in the SS box set and was shocked at how good a PPV it was. Horowitz/Skip is a good match actually, and so is Bret/Yankem. Kid/Hakushi is also solid fast paced stuff and HBK/Razor is an all time classic. The matches were not that bad, but the matchups were so lackluster. Not all of them though were bad, Hakushi/Kid was very good and Razor/HBK was good too. Only thing that sours me on the match is the finish. HBK throwing a temper tantrum for screwing up pulling the belt down was not very flattering for a babyface.
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