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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 14, 2014 16:08:58 GMT -5
Because it's TNA and that's who the Internet Wrestling Community opts to hate on, justified or not. That's crap. When TNA is putting out a good product people give the company their due. It just so happens that more often than not, the company tends to shoot itself in both feet.
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Post by king1836 on Apr 14, 2014 16:12:28 GMT -5
Because it's TNA and that's who the Internet Wrestling Community opts to hate on, justified or not. That's crap. When TNA is putting out a good product people give the company their due. It just so happens that more often than not, the company tends to shoot itself in both feet.
Really? Do you agree with me that Lockdown was better than Elimination Chamber?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 14, 2014 16:16:45 GMT -5
Because it's TNA and that's who the Internet Wrestling Community opts to hate on, justified or not. Yes, because the Big Bad IWC loves to pick on poor little TNA. Nevermind people praising TNA in the past and currently like things TNA is doing. I must been hallucinating about some here praising EY winning the title even considering the circumstances surrounding his victory. People love to act like TNA is the only wrestling promotion that ever receive hate and scorn. Until a couple weeks ago, WWE was damn near universally hated for various reasons for a long stretch. Indy favorite Ring of Honor is not immune for fan backlash. Neither is New Japan and any other wrestling companies. So can we squash the victim mentality?
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 14, 2014 16:19:29 GMT -5
That's crap. When TNA is putting out a good product people give the company their due. It just so happens that more often than not, the company tends to shoot itself in both feet.
Really? Do you agree with me that Lockdown was better than Elimination Chamber?
Would you agree the overall quality of Impact has gone down since 2012?
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Post by king1836 on Apr 14, 2014 16:21:00 GMT -5
Really? Do you agree with me that Lockdown was better than Elimination Chamber?
Would you agree the overall quality of Impact has gone down since 2012?
I would agree that 2013 was a terrible year for TNA. However, I have been enjoying them since Lockdown!
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 14, 2014 16:22:59 GMT -5
That's crap. When TNA is putting out a good product people give the company their due. It just so happens that more often than not, the company tends to shoot itself in both feet.
Really? Do you agree with me that Lockdown was better than Elimination Chamber?
I had more fun with EC 3's promo about how Shelton Benjamin was not on the roster and the opening match than I did with the EC show, but I thought that the EC match itself and the Wyatts/Shield match ultimately edged out Lockdown as a wrestling show. Basically I thought both were flawed shows, with different strengths. But I'd say without question Destination X 2012 blew away MITB 2012.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Apr 14, 2014 16:29:06 GMT -5
Would you agree the overall quality of Impact has gone down since 2012?
I would agree that 2013 was a terrible year for TNA. However, I have been enjoying them since Lockdown!
Of course you are. But from someone who been watching TNA ever since the first show in Huntsville, this is a down period. Granted they are in a revival/survival mode, TNA isn't winning the hearts and minds of wrestling fans right now. Every time a new era is suppose to happen, they return to status quo. Cross the Line. We are Wrestling. Wrestling Matters. Been there, done that. Now are they the only people to do so? No, but they don't have much wiggle room to keep doing that like others.
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Post by king1836 on Apr 14, 2014 16:32:46 GMT -5
I would agree that 2013 was a terrible year for TNA. However, I have been enjoying them since Lockdown!
Of course you are. But from someone who been watching TNA ever since the first show in Huntsville, this is a down period. Granted they are in a revival/survival mode, TNA isn't winning the hearts and minds of wrestling fans right now. Every time a new era is suppose to happen, they return to status quo. Cross the Line. We are Wrestling. Wrestling Matters. Been there, done that. Now are they the only people to do so? No, but they don't have much wiggle room to keep doing that like others.
Well, I would agree that Dixie's return to TV was a waste of time.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 14, 2014 16:47:20 GMT -5
Here's everything wrong with TNA in one sentence.
The Impact in which Eric Young won the title and ended the tyrannical reign of Magnus, was given a week long hype....for the return of Dixie Carter and the "#WrathOfDixie."
Even if they didn't plan on doing the title change until the day of the show, they still thought that Dixie Carter returning from a month-long absence was more important than crowning the #1 Contender for their World title.
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Post by benstudd on Apr 14, 2014 17:35:01 GMT -5
Would you agree the overall quality of Impact has gone down since 2012?
I would agree that 2013 was a terrible year for TNA. However, I have been enjoying them since Lockdown!
I think the majority of wrestling fans would say the opposite. That a lot of stuff before Lockdown was good (introduction of Sam Shaw, MVP, the coming of the Wolves, Storm heel turn and so forth). Lockdown itself was solid to good except for the title match finish. And then TNA has been bad ever since. It's all over the place. People are angry at the EY win cause they are tired of a TNA screwing up. They are tired of the crap.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Apr 14, 2014 17:52:57 GMT -5
That's crap. When TNA is putting out a good product people give the company their due. It just so happens that more often than not, the company tends to shoot itself in both feet.
Really? Do you agree with me that Lockdown was better than Elimination Chamber?
You love talking about how much better Lockdown was than WWE shows. I remember you saying a million times that Lockdown would be better than Wrestlemania XXX and now that that show has come and gone, and been incredibly successful, you say nothing about it.
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Post by king1836 on Apr 14, 2014 17:55:04 GMT -5
Really? Do you agree with me that Lockdown was better than Elimination Chamber?
You love talking about how much better Lockdown was than WWE shows. I remember you saying a million times that Lockdown would be better than Wrestlemania XXX and now that that show has come and gone, and been incredibly successful, you say nothing about it.
So far this year, the best PPVs have been WrestleMania 30 and TNA Lockdown.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 14, 2014 19:33:29 GMT -5
I definitely think TNA deserves more than its fair share of crap that people give it, but I'm not comfortable with the revisionist history of people giving TNA its due when it's on a good streak.
I've been on this board since 2004, and TNA, no matter the era, has been a perpetual whipping boy, summer of 2005 being the possible exception. Obviously different individuals have different eras within the company they prefer to others, but by and large it's been "LOLTNA" for eons now.
Again, not that it isn't justified a number of times, but it's been pretty consistently negative over the years whoever's been in charge.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Apr 14, 2014 20:16:02 GMT -5
I guess I was in Jamaica when all of this went down, so I'm on vacation, a tad burnt and packing to head back.
Here are my issues with it:
1. This is another TNA deal where they can do really long term angles, but sometimes lack any long term direction. Maybe it was the plan for EY to win the title, but ok, if that's the plan, then map it out a little better. He was beat clean by Joe a few weeks ago. He was beat in the fatal four way. I'm fine with Eric Young as a World Title contender and eventual Champion, but let's build towards it. So it was too soon.
2. TNA STILL does pay per views. Amazingly, people may buy them. Why not build up the history of Eric Young in TNA, his ups, his downs, and build it to eventually winning the title at the next pay per view. One of the only things TNA does well is their personality profile videos. Hell, they made people like Gunner.
3. Magnus has not been built up as a strong champion. Not only has he not been, he's the exact opposite. He's not even a cowardly heel Champion who believes he's better. He tapped out to Eddie Edwards because these matches aren't important, only title matches are. It feels like, he knew he was a terrible champion. Like, most heel characters believe they are as great as they say they are, but Magnus didn't, and it was like he was ok with being the shits.
4. Why not give Joe another title run. Again, if Magnus is the shitty champion, dump him, and build up Eric Young more, and maybe Joe vs Young. Hell, Young could even win the BFG series and face Joe at Bound for Glory. It doesn't have to be this deal where you turn Joe heel or EY heel. They can go back to clips, here's Joe making EY tap. EY now is fighting to get back at that spot. Joe and EY don't wrestle each other again, because you build up, can EY really beat Joe. Do an MMA style build. Joe would be the pseudo heel based on him being the Champion, so he's going to try to dominate his opponent. Like, it's not rocket science. That's one of the problems with writers. Wrestling companies think they have to have them, and once they realize they don't, then the writers are all out of jobs.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 14, 2014 20:44:41 GMT -5
You love talking about how much better Lockdown was than WWE shows. I remember you saying a million times that Lockdown would be better than Wrestlemania XXX and now that that show has come and gone, and been incredibly successful, you say nothing about it.
So far this year, the best PPVs have been WrestleMania 30 and TNA Lockdown.
How was Lockdown better than Elimination Chamber? Lockdown didn't have a match anywhere near as good as the elimination chamber or the Wyatts vs Shield match. Plus TNA f***ed up their two biggest matches on the show with bullshit finishes while Shaw vs Anderson was hot garbage.
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Post by bluemeii on Apr 14, 2014 23:08:44 GMT -5
So far this year, the best PPVs have been WrestleMania 30 and TNA Lockdown.
How was Lockdown better than Elimination Chamber? Lockdown didn't have a match anywhere near as good as the elimination chamber or the Wyatts vs Shield match. Plus TNA f***ed up their two biggest matches on the show with bullshit finishes while Shaw vs Anderson was hot garbage. Yeah I mean there's been a grand total of 4 ppv's so far this year and honestly, while Lockdown had it's moments, the LOL moments in the last 2 matches and the pile of meh that was Shaw/Anderson make it a distant 3rd at best. If it wasn't for all the international flippy shit and the ladies it would have been almost unwatchable. The question of Why is everyone so angry? Idk bunch of things really. Personally don't like to get angry over wrestling but some real point at the TV and laugh moments like the rise of Eric Young from years of jobbing to champ in one night could be something. The elimination of many people that were the backbone of this company over the past year, that are favorites of many on this forum, for what appears to be budgetary reasons. It can really make people angry that this is all happening right after the Orange Menace and his traveling pack of locusts blew through town and sucked TNA dry. The little guy syndrome is really annoying though. Not everyone is trying to pick on poor TNA. Look at the main forum section. As of right now there's 9070 threads in the WWE section and a whole 892 in TNA section. Hell there's twice as many in Wrest. There's just alot less chatter to drown out the noise compared to the other sections. I mean hell I like TNA as a whole. I don't think it's very good right now, matter of fact I think it's as bad as it's been since the Immortal days. I used to turn on TNA to see something different.....good women's wrestling, prominent high flyers, a different pace and attitude to the show. Right now I just see a WWE show with worse stories and bad production. Maybe people need to realize, hell maybe I'll wake up one day and realize, just like the "new boom period" is not happening anytime soon no matter how much someone wants, that little engine that could, alternative show that TNA was just might not be coming back.
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Post by grunt on Apr 15, 2014 0:01:51 GMT -5
Here's everything wrong with TNA in one sentence. The Impact in which Eric Young won the title and ended the tyrannical reign of Magnus, was given a week long hype....for the return of Dixie Carter and the "#WrathOfDixie."Even if they didn't plan on doing the title change until the day of the show, they still thought that Dixie Carter returning from a month-long absence was more important than crowning the #1 Contender for their World title. Because they weren't supposed to crown the #1 Contender on Impact, thus they had no reason to hype this beforehand. It's not hard to understand, really : 1) Joe was the #1 cont for more than a month, constantly screwed out his match by Magnus & co. 2) This was supposed to carry on until Sacrifice. 3) Joe got pulled off house shows, for whatever mysterious reason, during the past month. 4) TNA clearly expected him to be available for Impact. 5) When that became doubtful, they had to scramble something together at the last minute, to cover for Joe's possible absence until at least Sacrifice : hence the #1 contender match, which was both a way to let Joe win in case he returned in time for Impact, and a way to have a new #1 contender (EY, who was already in the title picture) in case Joe couldn't be there. And they gave EY the win, cos otherwise, without Joe, they would have had to stall everything until his eventual return... All things considered, TNA didn't do too bad on that one, imo. (and seriously, WWE botches eight months of booking : all is forgiven after Mania ; WWE sacrifices AJ Lee's reign to Paige's botched finisher, without any kind of follow-up on Raw : nobody even bats an eyelash ; TNA has to do some last minute booking due to a wrestler being unavailable, and they choose to reward a deserving Original who's over with the crowd in a way that doesn't contradict the past month of tv = all I read on the web is "LOLTNA, TNA sucks, TNA makes no sense, they're stupid, EY doesn't deserve the belt"... sigh)
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 15, 2014 0:14:53 GMT -5
Here's everything wrong with TNA in one sentence. The Impact in which Eric Young won the title and ended the tyrannical reign of Magnus, was given a week long hype....for the return of Dixie Carter and the "#WrathOfDixie."Even if they didn't plan on doing the title change until the day of the show, they still thought that Dixie Carter returning from a month-long absence was more important than crowning the #1 Contender for their World title. Because they weren't supposed to crown the #1 Contender on Impact, thus they had no reason to hype this beforehand. It's not hard to understand, really : 1) Joe was the #1 cont for more than a month, constantly screwed out his match by Magnus & co. 2) This was supposed to carry on until Sacrifice. 3) Joe got pulled off house shows, for whatever mysterious reason, during the past month. 4) TNA clearly expected him to be available for Impact. 5) When that became doubtful, they had to scramble something together at the last minute, to cover for Joe's possible absence until at least Sacrifice : hence the #1 contender match, which was both a way to let Joe win in case he returned in time for Impact, and a way to have a new #1 contender (EY, who was already in the title picture) in case Joe couldn't be there. And they gave EY the win, cos otherwise, without Joe, they would have had to stall everything until his eventual return... All things considered, TNA didn't do too bad on that one, imo. (and seriously, WWE botches eight months of booking : all is forgiven after Mania ; WWE sacrifices AJ Lee's reign to Paige's botched finisher, without any kind of follow-up on Raw : nobody even bats an eyelash ; TNA has to do some last minute booking due to a wrestler being unavailable, and they choose to reward a deserving Original who's over with the crowd in a way that doesn't contradict the past month of tv = all I read on the web is "LOLTNA, TNA sucks, TNA makes no sense, they're stupid, EY doesn't deserve the belt"... sigh) You do realize they announced the Gauntlet on Tuesday, right? So, my point still stands that they treated the return of Dixie Carter as a bigger deal than the World title scene, based off what was more heavily promoted going into this week's show.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 15, 2014 0:18:13 GMT -5
So then why drop the world title on a random episode of Impact with zero hype?
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Post by benstudd on Apr 15, 2014 0:31:03 GMT -5
Here's everything wrong with TNA in one sentence. The Impact in which Eric Young won the title and ended the tyrannical reign of Magnus, was given a week long hype....for the return of Dixie Carter and the "#WrathOfDixie."Even if they didn't plan on doing the title change until the day of the show, they still thought that Dixie Carter returning from a month-long absence was more important than crowning the #1 Contender for their World title. Because they weren't supposed to crown the #1 Contender on Impact, thus they had no reason to hype this beforehand. It's not hard to understand, really : 1) Joe was the #1 cont for more than a month, constantly screwed out his match by Magnus & co. 2) This was supposed to carry on until Sacrifice. 3) Joe got pulled off house shows, for whatever mysterious reason, during the past month. 4) TNA clearly expected him to be available for Impact. 5) When that became doubtful, they had to scramble something together at the last minute, to cover for Joe's possible absence until at least Sacrifice : hence the #1 contender match, which was both a way to let Joe win in case he returned in time for Impact, and a way to have a new #1 contender (EY, who was already in the title picture) in case Joe couldn't be there. And they gave EY the win, cos otherwise, without Joe, they would have had to stall everything until his eventual return... All things considered, TNA didn't do too bad on that one, imo. (and seriously, WWE botches eight months of booking : all is forgiven after Mania ; WWE sacrifices AJ Lee's reign to Paige's botched finisher, without any kind of follow-up on Raw : nobody even bats an eyelash ; TNA has to do some last minute booking due to a wrestler being unavailable, and they choose to reward a deserving Original who's over with the crowd in a way that doesn't contradict the past month of tv = all I read on the web is "LOLTNA, TNA sucks, TNA makes no sense, they're stupid, EY doesn't deserve the belt"... sigh) You don't have to do a gauntlet and get a new champ whatever just cause Joe wasn't there. EY was already in a feud with Magnus. Continue that feud. Have EY face Magnus and Abyss in an handicap match for a number one contender match. Idiot Abyss mesmerized by the World title, leave during the match and pick the title. Magnus is distracted. EY does a move and wins. Then if you have to include Joe in the match at Sacrifice then so be it, it could become a three-way.
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