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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 15, 2014 0:36:57 GMT -5
I definitely think TNA deserves more than its fair share of crap that people give it, but I'm not comfortable with the revisionist history of people giving TNA its due when it's on a good streak. I've been on this board since 2004, and TNA, no matter the era, has been a perpetual whipping boy, summer of 2005 being the possible exception. Obviously different individuals have different eras within the company they prefer to others, but by and large it's been "LOLTNA" for eons now. Again, not that it isn't justified a number of times, but it's been pretty consistently negative over the years whoever's been in charge. While there are always gonna be people who go "LOLTNA" no matter what TNA does, and don't get me wrong, I think that's bullshit and those people are in the wrong, it's also beyond frustrating to come on this board and have someone go "YOU GUYS JUST HATE TNA NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO." It happens all the time and most of the time, the people saying it know goddamn well that they can't actually offer any valid points to defend against the criticisms, they just want to play the victim. Frankly, this board has been a bit of a mess for a while because of that. There are people who shit on TNA despite admitting they haven't seen a show in years and people who will defend it till they are blue in the face no matter what criticism comes TNA's way. It makes it very hard for rational discusions to survive because at least one person from one of the sides has to come in, act like a complete turd, and screw it up.
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Post by bluemeii on Apr 15, 2014 0:55:25 GMT -5
Here's everything wrong with TNA in one sentence. The Impact in which Eric Young won the title and ended the tyrannical reign of Magnus, was given a week long hype....for the return of Dixie Carter and the "#WrathOfDixie."Even if they didn't plan on doing the title change until the day of the show, they still thought that Dixie Carter returning from a month-long absence was more important than crowning the #1 Contender for their World title. Because they weren't supposed to crown the #1 Contender on Impact, thus they had no reason to hype this beforehand. It's not hard to understand, really : 1) Joe was the #1 cont for more than a month, constantly screwed out his match by Magnus & co. 2) This was supposed to carry on until Sacrifice. 3) Joe got pulled off house shows, for whatever mysterious reason, during the past month. 4) TNA clearly expected him to be available for Impact. 5) When that became doubtful, they had to scramble something together at the last minute, to cover for Joe's possible absence until at least Sacrifice : hence the #1 contender match, which was both a way to let Joe win in case he returned in time for Impact, and a way to have a new #1 contender (EY, who was already in the title picture) in case Joe couldn't be there. And they gave EY the win, cos otherwise, without Joe, they would have had to stall everything until his eventual return... All things considered, TNA didn't do too bad on that one, imo. (and seriously, WWE botches eight months of booking : all is forgiven after Mania ; WWE sacrifices AJ Lee's reign to Paige's botched finisher, without any kind of follow-up on Raw : nobody even bats an eyelash ; TNA has to do some last minute booking due to a wrestler being unavailable, and they choose to reward a deserving Original who's over with the crowd in a way that doesn't contradict the past month of tv = all I read on the web is "LOLTNA, TNA sucks, TNA makes no sense, they're stupid, EY doesn't deserve the belt"... sigh) As was already stated this gauntlet was announced earlier in the week so this wasn't a last minute thing. Seriously though I've brought this up a few times and still haven't got an answer on it yet. Why in the blue f*** is EY even in the title picture. The guy before Thursday literally won one match in the last calender year. Please don't tell me it's "well wins and losses don't matter" cause then all you are doing is taking a giant shit on the one thing that TNA has put out that's good to outstanding the past couple years and that's the Bound for Glory series. If you had to do something last minute as you say just keep the belt where it was. That was always on option. Not give it to someone as a lifetime achievement award with zero build making zero sense. Daniels' contract is supposedly up soon, does that mean he gets a turn too? Also, why bring up things WWE has done wrong to justify terrible booking on TNA's part. Because WWE botched the whole 8 month build from Summerslam til Wrestlemania we can watch TNA do the same thing and go "well WWE did it so we get a free pass on this?" Please help me cause I'm very confused by this.
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Post by saintpat on Apr 15, 2014 1:27:31 GMT -5
I'm in the boat with people who want to like TNA and watch it from time to time (especially when we hear it's getting better) and are often disappointed because at best it's two steps forward and one step back, or at least as often one step forward and two steps back.
To most of us -- those who don't watch every week, or catch part of it every couple of weeks -- EY is and has been for quite some time a comedy jobber. Not that he's not a good one, not that he's not a good hand and a good character, not that he hasn't always done the best he could with whatever TNA has given him, but never in recent memory have I seen him for a minute be portrayed as (a) a serious wrestler or (b) a world title threat.
Magnus, on the other hand, has obviously been built into a credible heel champion, something TNA sorely needed.
EY is a guy who has spent most of the last 3 years being portrayed as mentally challenged and winning the Knockouts tag championship and being, I guess, the straight man in the horrible Abyss/Joseph Park saga. Then suddenly the former Super Eric is supposed to be taken seriously as a contender and win the title?
If you are going to make your Santino, for lack of a better comparison, into your top contender and new champ, that's a project that isn't undertaker overnight or over the course of a few weeks ... to undo years of portraying someone as a pure comedy act and make them your champ, you need, at minimum, months and months of taking and booking him seriously to signal a change to a credible character. That wasn't done here.
Not knowing if Samoa Joe is going to be at a show is not a reason to say, "We'll take our resident goofball and put him over our heel champ." As noted, it's not like Magnus had to lose: why not have Eric take him to the brink and come up short, but use that as a step in the direction of making EY a serious contender? That could be a good starting point of a months-long built to a nice moment of giving him a transitional or "thank you" title reign that wouldn't look and feel stupid.
Last week was one of those times I tuned in to TNA in hopes of seeing something I liked, and I saw the guy who for years has been slipping on the banana peel crowned as champion. It didn't feel right. It didn't feel good. It felt, well, it felt TNA.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 15, 2014 4:33:52 GMT -5
EY is a guy who has spent most of the last 3 years being portrayed as mentally challenged and winning the Knockouts tag championship and being, I guess, the straight man in the horrible Abyss/Joseph Park saga. Then suddenly the former Super Eric is supposed to be taken seriously as a contender and win the title? This is the very thing that transitioned EY into the title picture in the first place. He WAS the straight man to Abyss, and he only got involved in the title scene once Abyss attacked Joe and aligned himself with Magnus.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 15, 2014 8:04:20 GMT -5
So then why drop the world title on a random episode of Impact with zero hype? I think it's indicative of how little faith they have in the PPV system; they chose to create the "you have to tune in because anything could happen" vibe instead of building up more steadily. Not saying that's the right decision (personally, I rarely think it is), but I have to assume that's the reasoning.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 15, 2014 8:15:40 GMT -5
I definitely think TNA deserves more than its fair share of crap that people give it, but I'm not comfortable with the revisionist history of people giving TNA its due when it's on a good streak. I've been on this board since 2004, and TNA, no matter the era, has been a perpetual whipping boy, summer of 2005 being the possible exception. Obviously different individuals have different eras within the company they prefer to others, but by and large it's been "LOLTNA" for eons now. Again, not that it isn't justified a number of times, but it's been pretty consistently negative over the years whoever's been in charge. While there are always gonna be people who go "LOLTNA" no matter what TNA does, and don't get me wrong, I think that's bullshit and those people are in the wrong, it's also beyond frustrating to come on this board and have someone go "YOU GUYS JUST HATE TNA NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO." It happens all the time and most of the time, the people saying it know goddamn well that they can't actually offer any valid points to defend against the criticisms, they just want to play the victim. Frankly, this board has been a bit of a mess for a while because of that. There are people who shit on TNA despite admitting they haven't seen a show in years and people who will defend it till they are blue in the face no matter what criticism comes TNA's way. It makes it very hard for rational discusions to survive because at least one person from one of the sides has to come in, act like a complete turd, and screw it up. Believe me, you'll brook no argument from me on that one. It's a chicken or the egg thing in many cases; there's been years of "LOLTNA" attitudes in our board's attempts to have discussions about the company/show/etc., but there's also been people who take any and all criticism of TNA and lump anyone who makes a critique into a "haters" category or something. I'm obviously generalizing somewhat, but after awhile it all blurs together, people giving the company grief over the tiniest of issues and then defenders rushing in as if the entire world is out to get them, and people can't just watch an angle and say "I didn't like that part". I'll always be the first to point out where I think TNA lacks long term vision or when it fails to execute something well (hell, I've got a thread in mind on that I'll probably post today), but when every single thing that happens on Impact becomes "@#$% this company" vs. "you probably don't even watch, hater", I agree that the whole enterprise here becomes a mess.
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Post by saintpat on Apr 15, 2014 9:06:05 GMT -5
EY is a guy who has spent most of the last 3 years being portrayed as mentally challenged and winning the Knockouts tag championship and being, I guess, the straight man in the horrible Abyss/Joseph Park saga. Then suddenly the former Super Eric is supposed to be taken seriously as a contender and win the title? This is the very thing that transitioned EY into the title picture in the first place. He WAS the straight man to Abyss, and he only got involved in the title scene once Abyss attacked Joe and aligned himself with Magnus. OK, who did he beat? How did his tag partner/bff/monster buddy turning heel make him a contender? He was the straight man but not a serious wrestling force during the Joseph Park/Abyss thing, not as I recall it. Straight man is still comedy, and whenever I saw the Joseph Park angle play out I didn't see Young transform from comedy jobber to serious contender. Was it just instantly, "Abyss turned on him, that makes him a title threat"?
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Post by Cyno on Apr 15, 2014 18:43:41 GMT -5
Wait, TNA is making Eric Young their champion? lmao
EDIT: Oh wait it already happened. I missed Impact on Thursday and it seems like there was absolutely nothing wrong with that. What a joke.
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Post by angryfan on Apr 15, 2014 18:55:28 GMT -5
Personally, angry is my gimmick. As far as the thread goes, I am mixed about it. As a thank you to a loyal and dedicated worker, and a guy who gives everything he has to every stupid gimmick they give him, I'm ok with it. As a central angle for the company, and the idea that a guy who has been a comedy act for the better part of a decade, it seems odd. Yes, if they had done this when he was leading World Elite and was starting to be a pretty charismatic serious heel, it would have made far more sense. At this point...it just doesn't from a "drawing money" standpoint.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 15, 2014 20:07:10 GMT -5
I definitely think TNA deserves more than its fair share of crap that people give it, but I'm not comfortable with the revisionist history of people giving TNA its due when it's on a good streak. I've been on this board since 2004, and TNA, no matter the era, has been a perpetual whipping boy, summer of 2005 being the possible exception. Obviously different individuals have different eras within the company they prefer to others, but by and large it's been "LOLTNA" for eons now. Again, not that it isn't justified a number of times, but it's been pretty consistently negative over the years whoever's been in charge. To be fair, 2009 gets a lot of love, and rightfully so.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 15, 2014 20:35:26 GMT -5
I definitely think TNA deserves more than its fair share of crap that people give it, but I'm not comfortable with the revisionist history of people giving TNA its due when it's on a good streak. I've been on this board since 2004, and TNA, no matter the era, has been a perpetual whipping boy, summer of 2005 being the possible exception. Obviously different individuals have different eras within the company they prefer to others, but by and large it's been "LOLTNA" for eons now. Again, not that it isn't justified a number of times, but it's been pretty consistently negative over the years whoever's been in charge. To be fair, 2009 gets a lot of love, and rightfully so. Or at least the fall into early winter segment of it, good point: AJ as champ feuding with Joe and Daniels, Angle feuding with Wolfe, that was all good stuff for all too brief a time.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Apr 16, 2014 23:24:42 GMT -5
Short answer?
Untreated hemorrhoids.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 23:39:13 GMT -5
"LOLTNA" is something I hardly ever see people say around these boards. The only time I do see it is when people are trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Apr 16, 2014 23:45:48 GMT -5
"LOLTNA" is something I hardly ever see people say around these boards. The only time I do see it is when people are trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA. I'm guilty of LOLTNA and WILLOL but with my history of TNA fandom outlined in this post I think I earned the right to do so.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 16, 2014 23:55:20 GMT -5
"LOLTNA" is something I hardly ever see people say around these boards. The only time I do see it is when people are trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA. Dude, there's an "LOLTNA" comment on the first page of this very section, & not by someone trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 16, 2014 23:58:00 GMT -5
"LOLTNA" is something I hardly ever see people say around these boards. The only time I do see it is when people are trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA. Dude, there's an "LOLTNA" comment on the first page of this very section, & not by someone trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA. And it's making fun of a brainless decision by TNA. So it's entirely deserved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 23:59:30 GMT -5
"LOLTNA" is something I hardly ever see people say around these boards. The only time I do see it is when people are trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA. Dude, there's an "LOLTNA" comment on the first page of this very section, & not by someone trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA. and that person even says they don't like it, which means they probably don't use it other than that one time. I didn't say NEVER EVER, just that I see it more from people trying to defend TNA (who, by the way seem to talk more about people ridiculing TNA than actually what they like about it) rather than those pointing out issues they have with TNA.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 17, 2014 0:06:56 GMT -5
"LOLTNA" is something I hardly ever see people say around these boards. The only time I do see it is when people are trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA. It's more shorthand for when people take anything the company does and turns it into a "this company should be dead any minute now" moment. Speaking as a Mets fan, we've spent the last handful of years using "LOLMETS" as shorthand for whenever the media/fans/whomever would jump down the team's throats for problems or what have you that really either weren't huge deals in the grand scheme or came off as stretching to find something additionally wrong with an already troubled organization (which has thankfully begun digging its way out). So if I reference it I'm not talking about people literally typing it; I'm using it as shorthand. Again, there's plenty to harp on TNA about, both historically and currently, but I do think there's always been that component there, as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 0:10:35 GMT -5
"LOLTNA" is something I hardly ever see people say around these boards. The only time I do see it is when people are trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA. It's more shorthand for when people take anything the company does and turns it into a "this company should be dead any minute now" moment. Speaking as a Mets fan, we've spent the last handful of years using "LOLMETS" as shorthand for whenever the media/fans/whomever would jump down the team's throats for problems or what have you that really either weren't huge deals in the grand scheme or came off as stretching to find something additionally wrong with an already troubled organization (which has thankfully begun digging its way out). So if I reference it I'm not talking about people literally typing it; I'm using it as shorthand. Again, there's plenty to harp on TNA about, both historically and currently, but I do think there's always been that component there, as well. Hmm, interesting, because while I don't like the phrase, I never took it to mean "TNA is making a mistake so stupid they'll be out of business shortly." In fact, I always kind of took it to mean, "Typical TNA" or "business as usual in the impact zone." Not that this one thing was going to bankrupt the company, but that this one thing was EXACTLY what TNA always does so why did you bother thinking they'd do anything different?
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 17, 2014 0:27:06 GMT -5
Dude, there's an "LOLTNA" comment on the first page of this very section, & not by someone trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA. And it's making fun of a brainless decision by TNA. So it's entirely deserved. I didn't say if it was deserved or not, I was just pointing out that there was that comment on this very section & not by someone who was trying to make it seem like other people blindly hate TNA, which he said was the only time he ever sees that comment, which isn't the case, it comes from both sides of the coin.
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