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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 17:43:59 GMT -5
Bret Hart used to have some good, gritty looking dives. They really should only be used in desperation(unless the guy's character is that he's a big show off like HBK or ECW era RVD), and I agree that the Seth Rollins type of dives need to go. Bret diving on Taker and kicking his ass on the WM13 go-home show before Undertaker can even explain why he's out there is one of the most badass things I can remember.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 18:07:27 GMT -5
Through-the-ropes suicide dives really don't make sense in terms of impact, because the surface area of the head and forearms, the areas in which most suicide dives connect, is far smaller than the torso if someone is doing something like a plancha or an over-the-top-rope suicide dive, the latter which maximizes body surface area because of the height one must jump to clear the ropes, thereby subsequently increasing the level of impact. Ah, yes, yes. BUT. With such speed that comes from the uh "suicide dive" being funneled into a much smaller, um, delivery device (ie the hand, forearm) the force is more concentrated and therefore more, uh, well - concentrated and ultimately creating more damage, albeit to a smaller area of the reciever. Whereas a plancha may utlize more...more...surface area of the diver, the increased surface area results in a more distributed or dilluted force. So while a plancha is more likely to topple an opponent, the suicide dive is more likely to do greater level of damage to a smaller area. Which may lend further justification for the name "suicide dive," uh, as its known, because while your likelihood of hitting your target goes down as the level of danger for the diver increases, the amount of damage done to the recipient's point of impact is more, uh, well severe. And there you have it. (read in Jeff Goldblum from Jurassic Park voice)
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Post by sybaku on Apr 16, 2014 19:45:53 GMT -5
Through-the-ropes suicide dives really don't make sense in terms of impact, because the surface area of the head and forearms, the areas in which most suicide dives connect, is far smaller than the torso if someone is doing something like a plancha or an over-the-top-rope suicide dive, the latter which maximizes body surface area because of the height one must jump to clear the ropes, thereby subsequently increasing the level of impact. Ah, yes, yes. BUT. With such speed that comes from the uh "suicide dive" being funneled into a much smaller, um, delivery device (ie the hand, forearm) the force is more concentrated and therefore more, uh, well - concentrated and ultimately creating more damage, albeit to a smaller area of the reciever. Whereas a plancha may utlize more...more...surface area of the diver, the increased surface area results in a more distributed or dilluted force. So while a plancha is more likely to topple an opponent, the suicide dive is more likely to do greater level of damage to a smaller area. Which may lend further justification for the name "suicide dive," uh, as its known, because while your likelihood of hitting your target goes down as the level of danger for the diver increases, the amount of damage done to the recipient's point of impact is more, uh, well severe. And there you have it. (read in Jeff Goldblum from Jurassic Park voice) "But how could he do that with a dead girl" "Kane ughh finds a way"
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Post by mrjl on Apr 16, 2014 19:55:34 GMT -5
Through-the-ropes suicide dives really don't make sense in terms of impact, because the surface area of the head and forearms, the areas in which most suicide dives connect, is far smaller than the torso if someone is doing something like a plancha or an over-the-top-rope suicide dive, the latter which maximizes body surface area because of the height one must jump to clear the ropes, thereby subsequently increasing the level of impact. They are overall illogical, but make logical sense given the already wacky nature of wrestling storytelling. flying forearms get more pins than crossbody blocks
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Post by kevin on Apr 17, 2014 2:53:58 GMT -5
The thing I've noticed is that nearly all the time, they set up a spot where the (face) diving wrestler goes down for at least as long as their opponent and loses their momentum, setting up a stretch when the heel will be in control of the match. Which makes you start wondering why guys do it at all, much like how wrestlers STILL Irish whip their opponents to the ropes and then bend over to perform a back body drop on them even though it'll always, ALWAYS be countered. The back body drop is the worst. Espically since almost everyone does it and even when it's successful it hardly hurts the other guy. It's like if in football there was a play that got intercepted 99% of the time yet every team ran that play at least once a game hopping to gain 3 yards from it. I have nothing against suicide dives other moves are just as contrived and just as self damaging. Many top ropes moves do just as much damage to the person doing them. Plus I really liked in TNA when the ramp was level to the ring and super mex did a dive from it every match.
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