mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Apr 24, 2014 16:25:13 GMT -5
I think it all comes down to these guys assuming that if another man is gay, that they have no self control and will try and put their willy up their poopchute. Meanwhile they all go fap to lesbian porn online. And the perception from those who are under the fear radar is that all/most gay men are limp-wristed losers. And they're afraid of that? It's a laughable fear, at best. I guess I can understand homophobia if you were a parent (even if that too is ridiculous), but anyone who goes around and acts like homosexuals have the plague...give me a break, grow up.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 24, 2014 16:36:01 GMT -5
I still don't get homophobia. Nothing about it makes any sense at all. I remember in school when someone would be labeled (against their will) as "gay" and all the sudden, other people would be like "whoa, stay away from me". Like, are you afraid that you're going to "get it" or are you afraid of getting raped? Like, this confuses me to no end. I could go on and on, but I don't know what falls under the rules here as far as this goes. I think it all comes down to these guys assuming that if another man is gay, that they have no self control and will try and put their willy up their poopchute. Meanwhile they all go fap to lesbian porn online. Which also, of course, implies that they will f*** every single girl they know at the slightest opportunity, a stereotype of men that has been drilled into us by comedians and the few assholes that are like that for decades.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 24, 2014 16:36:15 GMT -5
I still don't get homophobia. Nothing about it makes any sense at all. I remember in school when someone would be labeled (against their will) as "gay" and all the sudden, other people would be like "whoa, stay away from me". Like, are you afraid that you're going to "get it" or are you afraid of getting raped? Like, this confuses me to no end. I could go on and on, but I don't know what falls under the rules here as far as this goes. I think it all comes down to these guys assuming that if another man is gay, that they have no self control and will try and put their willy up their poopchute. Meanwhile they all go fap to lesbian porn online. Which also, of course, implies that they will f*** every single girl they know at the slightest opportunity, a stereotype of men that has been drilled into us by comedians and the few assholes that are like that for decades.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Apr 24, 2014 16:39:47 GMT -5
Also a majority of people think being a homosexual = being a pedophile.
It's really just what these guys were taught/told growing up by a much, MUCH more intolerant society.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 16:41:22 GMT -5
I still don't get homophobia. Nothing about it makes any sense at all. I remember in school when someone would be labeled (against their will) as "gay" and all the sudden, other people would be like "whoa, stay away from me". Like, are you afraid that you're going to "get it" or are you afraid of getting raped? Like, this confuses me to no end. I could go on and on, but I don't know what falls under the rules here as far as this goes. I think it all comes down to these guys assuming that if another man is gay, that they have no self control and will try and put their willy up their poopchute. Meanwhile they all go fap to lesbian porn online. The sheer amount of things I overhear in conversation (sometimes from intelligent people...) about non-hetero people likely being pedophiles frightens me. The media's warped so many people for the sake of...not allowing love to prosper. That's why it's good to have celebrities come out and mention things, unless you've been on the receiving end of heinous crap -accusations/violence- for being in a relationship with the same sex (or same perceived sex) from absolute wankers then you* don't have a clue. Straight white men telling everyone else not to speak up about things as to not make a fuss is rather annoying for anyone else. * not you nhis, a general you to society
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 24, 2014 16:51:26 GMT -5
I think it all comes down to these guys assuming that if another man is gay, that they have no self control and will try and put their willy up their poopchute. Meanwhile they all go fap to lesbian porn online. Straight white men telling everyone else not to speak up about things as to not make a fuss is rather annoying for anyone else. I agree with your sentiment. I think it's problematic for you to single out straight white men when people of all colors, sexualities, etc do the same thing.
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 24, 2014 16:52:38 GMT -5
In some parts of the country saying you're against it seems to go over just fine, and saying you're for it seems to get a much rougher response. I went grew up in Central Florida. This is absolutely true. I grew up in Alabama and I know for a fact that saying you're for gay marriage can make people want to physically hurt you. I can second that. The school in Alabama I went to had the "Day of Silence" and about all of the students who participated in it got jumped. So yeah, a guy who's as southern born and bred as Austin is coming out for Gay Marriage is a good sign.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 16:54:39 GMT -5
Straight white men telling everyone else not to speak up about things as to not make a fuss is rather annoying for anyone else. I agree with your sentiment. I think it's problematic for you to single out straight white men when people of all colors, sexualities, etc do the same thing. When they own the majority of media that influences such thoughts as to inspire people to call some of my people pedophiles/walking viruses etc then the point is valid. The institution rules, and the institution is majority straight white men.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 24, 2014 16:58:52 GMT -5
I agree with your sentiment. I think it's problematic for you to single out straight white men when people of all colors, sexualities, etc do the same thing. When they own the majority of media that influences such thoughts as to inspire people to call some of my people pedophiles/walking viruses etc then the point is valid. The institution rules, and the institution is majority straight white men. That's honestly a pretty narrow worldview and, as I said earlier, ignores the fact the problematic things you talk about pretty much includes people from all walks of life. You're creating an "enemy" to try and simplify the issue. That's problematic. It's also untrue. These things happen in areas where there aren't any white guys. You can't say that that's the white guy's fault too. Well, I suppose you can, but you're not doing anybody any good. Blaming one group of people for a problem generically based on how they were born is pretty futile. But you're entitled to it, of course. Just my two cents on the matter.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 24, 2014 17:03:34 GMT -5
Kitsune has a point. There is a huge streak of homophobia, for example, in dancehall culture. Homophobia exists everywhere, and it should be about combating that, not arbitrarily choosing a group of people as the boogeyman... which is kinda what was done to the gays in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 17:07:59 GMT -5
When they own the majority of media that influences such thoughts as to inspire people to call some of my people pedophiles/walking viruses etc then the point is valid. The institution rules, and the institution is majority straight white men. That's honestly a pretty narrow worldview and, as I said earlier, ignores the fact the problematic things you talk about pretty much includes people from all walks of life. You're creating an "enemy" to try and simplify the issue. That's problematic. It's also untrue. These things happen in areas where there aren't any white guys. You can't say that that's the white guy's fault too. Well, I suppose you can, but you're not doing anybody any good. Blaming one group of people for a problem generically based on how they were born is pretty futile. But you're entitled to it, of course. Just my two cents on the matter. You missed the first half of my initial post in regards to majority ownership of media. I'm speaking about it in absolutist terms there, I agree, and I'm more than aware of other factors in personal social exclusion/inclusion, but that wasn't my argument if you read my original post, unless you mean people's personal opinions with certain elements of power can be pushed onto a larger scale, in which case I entirely agree. Nothing's ever that simple, I agree, but my admittedly simple argument re: influence of the media wasn't so much about each individual white hetero man, more about the overriding power/roles that white hetero cis men have in media & the world as a whole allowing their opinions to filter through and influence more people. Sorry if I seemed at all blunt with my last post too, that wasn't intentional (late evening posting), but when I was brought up seeing headlines in the Daily Mirror/Mail about burning down suspected pedophiles homes, and then the next day suggesting gay people should be suspected of being pedophiles by default (with no backing, opinion pieces, then some fluff about the nuclear family being the only safe haven for children despite that being absolute bollocks) by the same newspapers owned by the same people it sticks in my craw a bit when I hear people citing & supporting those types of logicless arguments to this very day.
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Post by Lila on Apr 24, 2014 17:10:21 GMT -5
Let's be honest and say what everyone who's in here is surprised: You guys probably thought he would be against it because he's your average southern redneck and a nice majority of southern rednecks are against it.
Now that's out of the way, I myself am not surprise because Austin seems like the type of guy not care about what others do in their private lives.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Apr 24, 2014 17:11:36 GMT -5
Kitsune has a point. There is a huge streak of homophobia, for example, in dancehall culture. Homophobia exists everywhere, and it should be about combating that, not arbitrarily choosing a group of people as the boogeyman... which is kinda what was done to the gays in the first place. Totally agree. Do some research and see there is homophobia elsewhere too. The black community in the US has long been claimed to be homophobic. I'm not saying that's true but it's something I've heard and read about quite a lot. My point is it's not just the evil white man who is guilty for everything.
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Apr 24, 2014 17:13:59 GMT -5
Kitsune has a point. There is a huge streak of homophobia, for example, in dancehall culture. Homophobia exists everywhere, and it should be about combating that, not arbitrarily choosing a group of people as the boogeyman... which is kinda what was done to the gays in the first place. The black community in the US has long been claimed to be homophobic. I'm not saying that's true but it's something I've heard and read about quite a lot. IMPOSSIBLE. Everyone knows that the best and most fabulous gays are the black gays.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 24, 2014 17:14:48 GMT -5
Let's be honest and say what everyone who in here in surprised: You guys probably thought he would be against it because he's your average southern redneck and nice majority of southern rednecks are against it. Now that's out of the way, I myself am not surprise because Austin seems like the type of guy not care about what others do in their private lives. Still. Someone who's as southern as Austin is may help soften the opinions of others like him.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 24, 2014 17:18:11 GMT -5
Let's be honest and say what everyone who in here in surprised: You guys probably thought he would be against it because he's your average southern redneck and nice majority of southern rednecks are against it. Now that's out of the way, I myself am not surprise because Austin seems like the type of guy not care about what others do in their private lives. Still. Someone who's as southern as Austin is may help soften the opinions of others like him. He is precisely the kind of guy who needs to be saying things like this. You need someone who fits a stereotype in many other ways to be the one who breaks ranks, because more people will listen. I remember watching a special feature on the DVD of The Ringer, and that the Special Olympics committee were worried about the star being Johnny Knoxville, but that the Olympians themselves said he was perfect, because the kind of people who see a Jackass movie are also 'the people who call us retard.' Knoxville as the star of that film may well have changed some minds.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 24, 2014 17:20:01 GMT -5
That's honestly a pretty narrow worldview and, as I said earlier, ignores the fact the problematic things you talk about pretty much includes people from all walks of life. You're creating an "enemy" to try and simplify the issue. That's problematic. It's also untrue. These things happen in areas where there aren't any white guys. You can't say that that's the white guy's fault too. Well, I suppose you can, but you're not doing anybody any good. Blaming one group of people for a problem generically based on how they were born is pretty futile. But you're entitled to it, of course. Just my two cents on the matter. You missed the first half of my initial post in regards to majority ownership of media. I'm speaking about it in absolutist terms there, I agree, and I'm more than aware of other factors in personal social exclusion/inclusion, but that wasn't my argument if you read my original post, unless you mean people's personal opinions with certain elements of power can be pushed onto a larger scale, in which case I entirely agree. Nothing's ever that simple, I agree, but my admittedly simple argument re: influence of the media wasn't so much about each individual white hetero man, more about the overriding power/roles that white hetero cis men have in media & the world as a whole allowing their opinions to filter through etc. Sorry if I seemed at all blunt with my last post too, that wasn't intentional (late evening posting), but when I was brought up seeing headlines in the Daily Mirror/Mail about burning down suspected pedophiles homes, and then the next day suggesting gay people should be suspected of being pedophiles by default (with no backing, opinion pieces, then some fluff about the nuclear family being the only safe haven for children despite that being absolute bollocks) by the same newspapers owned by the same people it sticks in my craw a bit y'know? I get what you're saying. I understand your anger and your frustration. You have a legitimate reason to be upset with the media, especially certain sectors of that. No harm/no foul on your bluntness either, I appreciate it. My point is simple. We should be careful of using language that blames one sector of society on any problem. That's unfair. It's unfair when people blame gays for pedophilia and it's just as unfair when people try to say that a problem was caused by straight white men. Because they're the essentially the same statement. Language is powerful and blame should be given out responsibly. Are straight white guys intolerant? Yes. Are they the only ones? No. Intolerance is a human problem. It's not a problem where there is one race, sexuality, gender, etc. causing all of the problems. As I understand, you've stated that you don't believe that straight white men are the problem, just the global media structure that they happen to control. That's fair enough. I just humbly think that you could have chosen your words better, which you have reasonably admitted. It's also, again, important to note that the same problems occur in other regions of the world where that media structure has substantial less power. Again, it's a human problem. Blaming another group of people, even in passing, only keeps the cycle going.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 17:22:39 GMT -5
You missed the first half of my initial post in regards to majority ownership of media. I'm speaking about it in absolutist terms there, I agree, and I'm more than aware of other factors in personal social exclusion/inclusion, but that wasn't my argument if you read my original post, unless you mean people's personal opinions with certain elements of power can be pushed onto a larger scale, in which case I entirely agree. Nothing's ever that simple, I agree, but my admittedly simple argument re: influence of the media wasn't so much about each individual white hetero man, more about the overriding power/roles that white hetero cis men have in media & the world as a whole allowing their opinions to filter through etc. Sorry if I seemed at all blunt with my last post too, that wasn't intentional (late evening posting), but when I was brought up seeing headlines in the Daily Mirror/Mail about burning down suspected pedophiles homes, and then the next day suggesting gay people should be suspected of being pedophiles by default (with no backing, opinion pieces, then some fluff about the nuclear family being the only safe haven for children despite that being absolute bollocks) by the same newspapers owned by the same people it sticks in my craw a bit y'know? I get what you're saying. I understand your anger and your frustration. You have a legitimate reason to be upset with the media, especially certain sectors of that. No harm/no foul on your bluntness either, I appreciate it. My point is simple. We should be careful of using language that blames one sector of society on any problem. That's unfair. It's unfair when people blame gays for pedophilia and it's just as unfair when people try to say that a problem was caused by straight white men. Because they're the essentially the same statement. Language is powerful and blame should be given out responsibly. Are straight white guys intolerant? Yes. Are they the only ones? No. Intolerance is a human problem. It's not a problem where there is one race, sexuality, gender, etc. causing all of the problems. As I understand, you've stated that you don't believe that straight white men are the problem, just the global media structure that they happen to control. That's fair enough. I just humbly think that you could have chosen your words better, which you have reasonably admitted. It's also, again, important to note that the same problems occur in other regions of the world where that media structure has substantial less power. Again, it's a human problem. Blaming another group of people, even in passing, only keeps the cycle going. I agree completely with pretty much everything you said there, a few extra words in the initial post could have cleared everything up. This is the risk of posting about serious subjects on not enough sleep after a long day!
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Post by rapidfire187 on Apr 24, 2014 17:24:55 GMT -5
Not entirely. He saved Stephanie when Undertaker was going to make her his dark bride. That's about one selfless act in his 5 year Rattlesnake run. He also helped Foley win his first WWF title didn't he? And didn't he also help The Rock beat HHH at Backlash 2000? I'm sure I can think of other instances if I try hard enough.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Apr 24, 2014 17:31:05 GMT -5
I saw that it was trending yesterday and looked at an article or two and realized Austin didn't say anything new on the subject. The article was about his comments FROM JULY OF LAST YEAR! I was thinking, "Why is this news now?" At the time Austin made the comments it was coming off a number of state legislatures extending marriage rights. In other words, it was very timely when Austin commented on it. Yet his comments don't make 'news' until almost a year later when the overall news on the political/social topic is not quite in the news as much as it was when Austin made the comments.
To be honest, articles like the ones that covered Austin's comments really bother me, much in the same way that stuff from cracked and buzzfeed bother me. The overall tone of the writing and the headlines just seem so amateur and poorly thought-out. Also, there is often very little to the "news." These sites are starting to effect other news sites as Huffington Post is becoming a lot like them. Okay, sorry for the rant.
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