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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 16, 2014 23:24:09 GMT -5
Look at the 2008 Chargers- #1 ranked offense/defense against the easiest schedule in the league- MISSED THE PLAYOFFS Look, it's a catch-22 situation. Not every team can play a 2008 Steelers schedule. Is it KC's fault the NFC East was what it was? The 2008 Chargers made the playoffs, and even won their first game. It's not the Chiefs fault that the NFC East was horrible, but when they actually played good teams they got beat. They beat up on bad teams, and when facing someone good, they got exposed. Even their best win of the year, was against the Eagles before Foles took over. The Chiefs weren't as good as their record indicated, and it showed when facing the Colts, Broncos, and Chargers. My point was the Chiefs had that great defense for most of the year, and it was nowhere near what Seattle threw at Denver, or what San Francisco or Carolina would have thrown at Denver. Hell when the Chiefs played the Colts in the regular season, the Colts played tough physical football (the kind they played against Seattle and San Francisco), and they overmatched the Chiefs. No team in the AFC (with the exception of Indy but they were so inconsistent) was going to be able to stand up to what the winner of the NFC was going to bring.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jul 16, 2014 23:24:40 GMT -5
I'm so sick of this schedule crap.
Last year, you didn't hear ANYONE bat an eye when the Seahawks play the garbage AFC South.
Somehow, it's not OK for offenses like Denver to pile up points against Washington or Philly, but it's OK when Seattle beats up on the Jacksonvilles and Tennessees of the world.
Do we just have a double-standard when it comes to offense?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 16, 2014 23:31:21 GMT -5
I'm so sick of this schedule crap. Last year, you didn't hear ANYONE bat an eye when the Seahawks play the garbage AFC South. Seattle also played 6 games against San Francisco, Arizona, and St Louis. They were 4-2 in those games, they also beat Carolina and New Orleans. That's in addition to making the playoffs the previous season. Nobody batted an eye about Seattle or San Francisco beating bad teams, because they also beat good teams. They had proven they weren't paper tigers, whose stats and records were built by beating a weak schedule.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jul 16, 2014 23:39:21 GMT -5
Rams? Please. No offense, bad secondary. Live or die by the sack. One-trick ponies of the highest order.
Arizona? Take Carson Palmer. Please.
San Francisco? I'll give you that. Essentially they and Seattle rule the NFL world right now. Everyone else is playing for third. Yes, that includes the rest of the NFC.
Sorry, but I think the Chiefs are and were legit. I mean, you can't just act like teams are only good if they beat teams with a winning record. And of course, teams that lose to said weaker teams get crushed for it.
The Chiefs and the 2011 Detroit Lions couldn't control the fate of their opponents. Not everyone is going to have a 2008 Steelers meatgrinder schedule.
Playing a weak-schedule is lose-lose. You get no credit for winning, all the blame for losing. It seems like beating. 500 or better teams is the only way you get any credit.
Is it Kansas City's fault the Cowboys were the Cowboys, or the Giants were turning the ball over? Or the Redskins turning into a greasefire?
The 1999 Rams SB title doesn't have an asterisk that says BEAT WEAK SCHEDULE.
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Post by bluemeii on Jul 16, 2014 23:58:08 GMT -5
Broncos GM John Elway made it clear to USA Today that he doesn't believe contract-year TE Julius Thomas deserves Jimmy Graham money. Well, he doesn't, but I still hope we're able to get both Thomas' down for the long term. Jules is the best TE we've had in a while. I think the priority right now is to long term DT, get Julius signed long term also but if not franchise him for next year then work on a long term next summer. Lets face it though. Out of a max 48 games in his 3 years he's only been in 23 of them, and missed the rest due to injury. He's absolutely right, he's not worth Graham money. If he thinks he is he's gonna have to get it somewhere else.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jul 17, 2014 11:49:41 GMT -5
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 17, 2014 12:05:14 GMT -5
Rams? Please. No offense, bad secondary. Live or die by the sack. One-trick ponies of the highest order. Arizona? Take Carson Palmer. Please. San Francisco? I'll give you that. Essentially they and Seattle rule the NFL world right now. Everyone else is playing for third. Yes, that includes the rest of the NFC. Sorry, but I think the Chiefs are and were legit. I mean, you can't just act like teams are only good if they beat teams with a winning record. And of course, teams that lose to said weaker teams get crushed for it. The Chiefs and the 2011 Detroit Lions couldn't control the fate of their opponents. Not everyone is going to have a 2008 Steelers meatgrinder schedule. Playing a weak-schedule is lose-lose. You get no credit for winning, all the blame for losing. It seems like beating. 500 or better teams is the only way you get any credit. Is it Kansas City's fault the Cowboys were the Cowboys, or the Giants were turning the ball over? Or the Redskins turning into a greasefire? The 1999 Rams SB title doesn't have an asterisk that says BEAT WEAK SCHEDULE. Bottom line is: If you really are a great team and a legit contender, then you find ways to also beat other great teams and legit contenders. Kansas City couldn't do that last season. They beat garbage teams but were 1-5 in games against other playoff teams. That's the definition of a fraud
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jul 17, 2014 13:13:07 GMT -5
I'm so sick of this schedule crap. Last year, you didn't hear ANYONE bat an eye when the Seahawks play the garbage AFC South. Somehow, it's not OK for offenses like Denver to pile up points against Washington or Philly, but it's OK when Seattle beats up on the Jacksonvilles and Tennessees of the world. Do we just have a double-standard when it comes to offense? Well to be fair, one if those two is the Jaguars.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Jul 17, 2014 13:20:55 GMT -5
1999 Rams beat nobody until the playoffs. I'm surprised nobody says "Yeah, but they didn't beat anyone and lost twice to playoff teams..."
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Post by suave on Jul 17, 2014 13:30:36 GMT -5
1999 Rams beat nobody until the playoffs. I'm surprised nobody says "Yeah, but they didn't beat anyone and lost twice to playoff teams..." Maybe because nobody cares about the strength of schedule of a team that played 15 years ago.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jul 17, 2014 14:12:22 GMT -5
1999 Rams beat nobody until the playoffs. I'm surprised nobody says "Yeah, but they didn't beat anyone and lost twice to playoff teams..." All 3 of our losses were by less than a TD on the road. Chances are we go unbeaten if just 1 or 2 things go our way.
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Post by bluemeii on Jul 17, 2014 14:33:30 GMT -5
1999 Rams beat nobody until the playoffs. I'm surprised nobody says "Yeah, but they didn't beat anyone and lost twice to playoff teams..." The thing about that team is, when they got to the playoffs and had to beat the good teams, they did. Chiefs beat one winning team all year and lost in the wild card round. Can they take that next step this year to the top of the conference. With the changes the AFC Conf Champ reps made this offseason, it's doubtful. Colts could sneak in there though with the probable 6-0 division record they are gonna have. Chiefs won't get that luxury.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 14:37:50 GMT -5
Rams? Please. No offense, bad secondary. Live or die by the sack. One-trick ponies of the highest order. Arizona? Take Carson Palmer. Please. San Francisco? I'll give you that. Essentially they and Seattle rule the NFL world right now. Everyone else is playing for third. Yes, that includes the rest of the NFC. Sorry, but I think the Chiefs are and were legit. I mean, you can't just act like teams are only good if they beat teams with a winning record. And of course, teams that lose to said weaker teams get crushed for it. The Chiefs and the 2011 Detroit Lions couldn't control the fate of their opponents. Not everyone is going to have a 2008 Steelers meatgrinder schedule. Playing a weak-schedule is lose-lose. You get no credit for winning, all the blame for losing. It seems like beating. 500 or better teams is the only way you get any credit. Is it Kansas City's fault the Cowboys were the Cowboys, or the Giants were turning the ball over? Or the Redskins turning into a greasefire? The 1999 Rams SB title doesn't have an asterisk that says BEAT WEAK SCHEDULE. The 1999 Rams don't get that asterisk because the went all the way and won the Super Bowl. Last season, the Denver Broncos beat up on some pretty weak teams and almost won the Lombardi Trophy, but got spanked by the Seahawks in front of millions of viewers. For all their wins, they basically went through a humiliation conga line which blew up much of their accumulated cred. St. Louis is a better team than you make them sound. Talent abilities aside, Jeff Fisher is a really good coach and is rebuilding that team's on-field success from the ground up. Good coaching goes a long way in making a good team. Arizona has a good coach too. Carson Palmer is an underachiever but that doesn't matter when you have Larry Fitzgerald and a great defense to give you support on the other side of the ball. Look at the 2000 Ravens, who won a SB title with Trent Dilfer. The Cardinals' defense isn't as good as the Ravens back then, but Palmer does outclass Dilfer. It doesn't balance out perfectly, but the Cardinals are far from a joke team. Outside of the NFC West, the Cardinals were 10-2, and their defeats were on the road against the Saints and Eagles. Arizona's not perfect, but they're pretty solid.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 17, 2014 14:37:59 GMT -5
1999 Rams beat nobody until the playoffs. I'm surprised nobody says "Yeah, but they didn't beat anyone and lost twice to playoff teams..." The thing about that team is, when they got to the playoffs and had to beat the good teams, they did. Chiefs beat one winning team all year and lost in the wild card round. Can they take that next step this year to the top of the conference. With the changes the AFC Conf Champ reps made this offseason, it's doubtful. Colts could sneak in there though with the probable 6-0 division record they are gonna have. Chiefs won't get that luxury. The Cheifs' 2014 schedule is a lot tougher than last year. I think they're in trouble
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Post by bluemeii on Jul 17, 2014 14:47:55 GMT -5
The thing about that team is, when they got to the playoffs and had to beat the good teams, they did. Chiefs beat one winning team all year and lost in the wild card round. Can they take that next step this year to the top of the conference. With the changes the AFC Conf Champ reps made this offseason, it's doubtful. Colts could sneak in there though with the probable 6-0 division record they are gonna have. Chiefs won't get that luxury. The Cheifs' 2014 schedule is a lot tougher than last year. I think they're in trouble Yeah top of my head not even looking I know they have Broncos x2, Pats, Seahawks, 49ers. Hell based off how they ended the year you can even through Chargers x2 in there. Can even throw in Cards and Rams as they are FAR from easy games. That being said don't think we're getting 3 playoff teams outta the AFC West this year. Barring a Manning injury it's gonna be tough to get in the playoffs outta that division. I do think Aaron Murray was a steal for where they got him though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 15:36:17 GMT -5
Unocal76 is ranting again, football season must be upon us.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jul 17, 2014 17:13:55 GMT -5
49ers signed LT Joe Staley to a two-year extension through 2019.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 17, 2014 17:23:04 GMT -5
According to the ESPN SportsCenter App, Rodger Goodell told Oakland to either try and build a new stadium in Oakland or share Levi Stadium with San Fran.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jul 17, 2014 17:34:16 GMT -5
Ravens are going to have a statue of Rey Lewis outside there stadium.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jul 17, 2014 18:03:20 GMT -5
Unocal76 is ranting again, football season must be upon us. And, as per usual, not a speck of said rantings make any damn sense.
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