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Post by Hurbster on Jun 6, 2014 19:35:47 GMT -5
I recall Les Skellett being one from the World of Sport era that you would not mess with, but his matches were a laugh riot.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jun 6, 2014 22:48:56 GMT -5
Surprised no on has mentioned Dynamite Kid in this thread so far as the guy was well renowned for being Stiff.
Hell Mick Foley said that his jaw was messed up for a short while because DK was so rough.
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Post by Pervy Stone Cold on Jun 7, 2014 11:14:04 GMT -5
Dusty Rhodes was the wrestler who Honky Tonk Man had quite bitter words for because of his stiffness (and for smelling like a pig).
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 7, 2014 11:44:12 GMT -5
Vader was obviously stiff with strikes, but I believe it was Flair who said that everything else, he never felt. I'm willing to bet that the guy whose back he broke feels that Vader deserves a rep for stiffness.
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Post by Dshuks on Jun 7, 2014 12:41:24 GMT -5
Yumiko Hotta has always been really stiff
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Jun 7, 2014 12:45:59 GMT -5
Yumiko Hotta has always been really stiff god, yumiko really looks like a men, hell, I could swear that I saw a bulge on some shots
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 8, 2014 7:16:32 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar looks like a very stiff worker. *headdesk* I never know whether to be annoyed by this or just pleased that Brock is seen so 'legitimate' that everyone is scared of him wrestling people. Brock has injured precisely two people; A-Train, in what was quite clearly a botch although whether it was deliberate I have no idea, and Hardcore Holly, who it's generally seen as him sandbagging Brock. We've seen how strong Brock is. Holly is tiny compared to Brock, does anyone seriously think Brock couldn't lift Holly unless Holly was sandbagging him? The rest of the time, Brock is amazing at looking like he's killing you when he actually isn't. I think the Extreme Rules match was an exception because I'm guessing Cena just told Brock to beat the f*** out of him and so Brock did. Things that stand out to me as far as stiffness, some of them contradictory to things said in this thread, but I'm just reporting what I've heard/read. 1. Foley has said that he's seen people retire as wrestlers rather than wrestle Vader. 2. He also said that Funk's left hand was so legendary because he literally just beat the shit out of you. 3. The Outlaws said in a shoot that Foley was quite stiff but would work with you, whereas Funk was stiff as shit, so when they had the dumpster match they deliberately dropped Funk on the edge of the dumpster on his way into it. I remember Foley saying in his book that by the next day Foley's entire back was bruised and full of fluid, but to quote Road Dogg '[Funk] didn't even sell it.'4. Stan Hansen having the most frightening clothesline in the business because he was blind without his glasses. It also irritates me when people list wrestlers injuring other wrestlers as examples of stiffness. The human body, especially a wrestler's body, is remarkably durable and it takes more than just being stiff in the ring to injure someone otherwise no one would work with stiff guys, EVER. Bret Hart wasn't injured because Goldberg's unsafe, it was a botch. These things happen. Injuries happen. Botches happen.
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Post by somsta on Jun 8, 2014 8:18:54 GMT -5
Kicking a guy full on as hard as you can in the head isn't a botch - it's being unsafe.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jun 8, 2014 8:33:48 GMT -5
I've never understood why some wrestlers are vilified for being stiff workers, while others are celebrated for it. It's always seemed really strange to me.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 8, 2014 8:43:16 GMT -5
I'm guessing Sheamus and Barrett just enjoy beating the crap out of each other. I can actually believe that with no problems at all. Same with Sheamus and Cesaro, also Sheamus and Tensai. Sheamus strikes me as the type of guy that will beat the crap out of you, if you're cool with it, and have no problem when someone beats the crap out of him. He's stiff, but he's safe. I've never understood why some wrestlers are vilified for being stiff workers, while others are celebrated for it. It's always seemed really strange to me. For some guys, like a Hardcore Holly, he'd just beat the shit out of rookies. He was a bully. Someone like Sheamus will be stiff with someone that will be stiff back, he won't just beat the shit out of a rookie that wouldn't fire back, and in all likelihood if you asked him not to go so hard, he'd honor your request.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 8, 2014 8:52:03 GMT -5
Kicking a guy full on as hard as you can in the head isn't a botch - it's being unsafe. Unless he underestimated the distance. Pretty sure a Sweet Chin Music would hurt pretty hard if he actually hit you with it.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jun 8, 2014 11:27:52 GMT -5
I've never understood why some wrestlers are vilified for being stiff workers, while others are celebrated for it. It's always seemed really strange to me. More and more, I've seen people with no tolerance for stiffness. Which is a good thing. Like, I'm a big Low-Ki fan, and I think his attitude gets too bad a rap, but his stiffness is unacceptable, especially since he's proven he doesn't have to wrestle that way. I just wonder what on earth makes KENTA think he can be in the WWE, given how hard he hits.
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Post by Digital Witness on Jun 8, 2014 13:27:06 GMT -5
I've never understood why some wrestlers are vilified for being stiff workers, while others are celebrated for it. It's always seemed really strange to me. More and more, I've seen people with no tolerance for stiffness. Which is a good thing. Like, I'm a big Low-Ki fan, and I think his attitude gets too bad a rap, but his stiffness is unacceptable, especially since he's proven he doesn't have to wrestle that way. I just wonder what on earth makes KENTA think he can be in the WWE, given how hard he hits. I'm of the impression that KENTA knows he's going to have to work differently, and with being older and having had some injuries; he knows he needs to work differently to continue his career. I don't think KENTA is going to bring the stiff strikes he's known for when he starts with WWE. He might even spend some time in NXT just revamping his offense into something a little more WWE friendly. I think the logic KENTA has is that he can't necessarily work as he's known for too much longer and opted to go to WWE where he wouldn't have to work that stiff compared to in NOAH where it's in KENTA's nature (character wise) to be that hard striking bad ass, and that KENTA would rather fans of NOAH remember him as he was, not as he may be in the future.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Jun 9, 2014 3:47:33 GMT -5
So I get it. Like chops, suck. But you are really not gonna do that much damage, and if the sound is right, people will forgive it. The weird thing is that a wrestler should be able to work stiff or soft, more soft now, because frankly you don't have to worry, as much, about some local thinking he had shoot on you to take the NWA title.
Rookies get worked over hard. My buddy got stiffed a LOT in his early matches, when I tried, the trainers would go for as hard a chops as possible because they hurt, but didn't really injure, apart from chests. But the logic is sound, Wrestling Hurts. There is only so much you can mitigate, but a suplex hurts.
Example, I am a decently large guy, a legit 6'1 and am a lot fatter now than I used to be, but at my peak I was about 260, and one spot I had worked out was a go behind on someone going for a back body, slide on my knees, grab a waist lock, and then power up into a take down. And it hurt me more than the guy was giving it to. Every time because I would drop to my knees, and knee pads can only do much, and if they slide down during the skid... canvas sucks on the knees. And I still screwed it up ones with a guy and dunked him on the back of his head.
I understand the stiffing, especially to new guys. I didn't like it, but it was a way to help them because mistakes would happen. I had a shiner because me and the training partner screwed, and I moved my head at wrong time and ate a jab right to my eye. And that is not counting moments when your opponent loses it. Mistakes, botches, all of that happens, they are going to happen when the timing it off. No matter how save you are. Hell Nash said that Bret believed it was real, and when he cinched in the Sharpshooter, you would believe it too.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 9, 2014 6:49:08 GMT -5
it's worth noting there's a huge difference between being a stiff worker and deliberately trying to injure your opponent.
William Regal and Samoa Joe are 2 examples of the former, Bob Holly and Dynamite Kid are 2 examples of the latter.
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Post by 543Y2J on Jun 9, 2014 9:10:11 GMT -5
Has Nigel been mentioned yet? Man some of the lariats he threw looked absolutely brutal to take (and yet also so f***ing ascetically pleasing at the same time)
Also Tajiri's kicks looked like the stiffest kicks to take, outside of RVD
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Post by The Blue Nova on Jun 9, 2014 14:41:46 GMT -5
Scott Steiner
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Post by sebulba on Apr 11, 2015 13:03:15 GMT -5
Shawn Stasiak had a reputation for working stiff. Bravo!
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 12, 2015 9:27:22 GMT -5
Necrobump!
Still, fun thread to read through again.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Apr 12, 2015 10:22:07 GMT -5
According to Foley an Austin comeback punch hurt
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