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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 8:57:21 GMT -5
lil kids like him. I mean that's something. He's like Barney - kids don't want to see him develop as a character or really be all that interest. Just smile waive your hands around and wear bright colors.
He definitely doesn't need to be the focal point of the company though - kids will watch him no matter where he is on the card.
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Post by DIIV on Jun 30, 2014 9:06:18 GMT -5
Their main demo is 18-35 so why constantly cater to a minority? I suppose they do like the fact that parents will dish out an endless amount of money for merch, though.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 30, 2014 9:42:49 GMT -5
Kayfabe Cena = No
Real life Cena = Practically everything
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Post by CubsFan71 on Jun 30, 2014 9:52:35 GMT -5
If we're talking strictly about the WWE character, no. His shtick was old and stale 5 years ago. When you really sit and think about it, he really hasn't put anyone over.
Let's look at Edge. Edge cashed in his MITB briefcase on Cena AFTER Cena had just survived a brutal Elimination Chamber match. CM Punk? Cena main evented EVERY ppv durning Punk year plus reign as champion. Daniel Bryan? Orton immediately cashed in his MITB briefcase on DB winning the title and make Cenas loss mean absolutely nothing.
Even when he loses a match, he doesn't make his opponents win look credible. Case in point his cage match against Bray Wyatt. They made look like Wyatt had no chance of winning without Harper and Rowan's help. I bet you can't name one time in that match where you thought "hey Wyatt is looking pretty good here, he might just win". Cause at no point in the match did that ever happen.
It's time for either a major character overhaul or better yet, just retire Cena
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Post by sybaku on Jun 30, 2014 10:01:46 GMT -5
One day they'll cure cancer, and when that day comes and all the little sick kids are made healthy, on that day John Cena will finally turn heel, and it will be so incredible it'll make CM Punk himself mark out in his living room.
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Post by Ron Woodsman aka Shempaholic on Jun 30, 2014 10:29:42 GMT -5
Since we know WWE will never allow Cena's character to be freshened up, what Cena really needs to do is take a long break. Take a year off and do charity work, make movies, sit around the house and bang Nikki Bella, etc. The man needs a break anyway.
I just wish SOMETHING about Cena would change. Even something like new entrance music would help a little. Of course, any minor change to Cena's character is like applying a fresh coat of paint to a building that's falling down.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 10:32:38 GMT -5
One thing to like about Cena is that he was not in any way responsible for the Holocaust.
That I know of anyway.
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Post by Hurbster on Jun 30, 2014 10:33:25 GMT -5
His ability to make smarks RAGE is awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 12:09:29 GMT -5
The issue John Cena is that he is the most known current wrestlers to the casual fanbase by a mile but that he is one of the most despised wrestlers by the hardcore fanbase who are the ones who will make their voice heard more.
These dudebro UFC types don't watch Raw every week, not do they ever watch Smackdown, Main Event, NXT or subscribe to the network.
to them schtick doesn't get old because they watch so little and so casually and don't really watch in any critical capacity. In fact I'd hazard a guess that the familiarity of Cena being on top appeals greatly to them as they can not watch for months and come back to see Cena in the same position instead of someone else they don't care about because they haven't watched the rise of them. And unfortunately there are a great deal of these types. These are the ones who would rate The Rock v Cena as the greatest match of all time. The ones who were excited for Batista's return These are the ones who only ever order mania (and I would hazard a guess are the reason the PPV buyrate for mania was still good despite the network). These are also the people the WWE try so desperately to appeal to (because the likes of us are a given, no one gets rich preaching to the converted)
The thing that WWE don't realise is that these fans are dwindling away now and what was once the niche fanbase is becoming their main audience. They seemed to recognise this for about 3 months at the start of the year, but then went back to courting the JOHNCENALESNARF5FORLYFBLAZEITUPMACHIDAFANSUPERCODSNIPERBRO crowd
As for the Children they watch Supercena overcome the odds for a while, grow out of wrestling and then are replaced by new children who have never seen this before. it used to be the 7 year rule in wrestling, now the way things have progressed it is the 2 year rule now (we've had a repeat of the "embrace the hate storyline" this year, only 2 years after it originally happened)
To be fair Cena's original name of "the prototype" is accurate as he is pretty much Vince Mcmahons prototype of the ideal babyface that he completely manufactured. I bet it baffles Vince as to why the fans boo Cena.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 12:10:30 GMT -5
Cena has an elevator to his bedroom at his house. P-I-M-P
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jun 30, 2014 12:20:37 GMT -5
He helps sick kids. Which probably infuriates Hacksaw Jim Duggan*, but everybody unanimously agrees is pretty good.
*Just a joke, tough guy.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 30, 2014 12:34:21 GMT -5
The issue John Cena is that he is the most known current wrestlers to the casual fanbase by a mile but that he is one of the most despised wrestlers by the hardcore fanbase who are the ones who will make their voice heard more. These dudebro UFC types don't watch Raw every week, not do they ever watch Smackdown, Main Event, NXT or subscribe to the network. to them schtick doesn't get old because they watch so little and so casually and don't really watch in any critical capacity. In fact I'd hazard a guess that the familiarity of Cena being on top appeals greatly to them as they can not watch for months and come back to see Cena in the same position instead of someone else they don't care about because they haven't watched the rise of them. And unfortunately there are a great deal of these types. These are the ones who would rate The Rock v Cena as the greatest match of all time. The ones who were excited for Batista's return These are the ones who only ever order mania (and I would hazard a guess are the reason the PPV buyrate for mania was still good despite the network). These are also the people the WWE try so desperately to appeal to (because the likes of us are a given, no one gets rich preaching to the converted) The thing that WWE don't realise is that these fans are dwindling away now and what was once the niche fanbase is becoming their main audience. They seemed to recognise this for about 3 months at the start of the year, but then went back to courting the JOHNCENALESNARF5FORLYFBLAZEITUPMACHIDAFANSUPERCODSNIPERBRO crowd As for the Children they watch Supercena overcome the odds for a while, grow out of wrestling and then are replaced by new children who have never seen this before. it used to be the 7 year rule in wrestling, now the way things have progressed it is the 2 year rule now (we've had a repeat of the "embrace the hate storyline" this year, only 2 years after it originally happened) To be fair Cena's original name of "the prototype" is accurate as he is pretty much Vince Mcmahons prototype of the ideal babyface that he completely manufactured. I bet it baffles Vince as to why the fans boo Cena. And the worst part, if indeed your point is correct? Those "dudebros" you mention don't watch WWE BECAUSE guys like Cena have been on top forever. Why do numbers skyrocket when Hogan or Rock, as examples, are around? Because they were top dogs when today's causal fans watched more regularly. Once Trips and then Cena were top dogs, numbers plummeted. That's not entirely either mans' fault, but WWE has nearly nothing to gain by keeping Cena on top. The casual fans they want back so badly left for a reason; WWE doesn't give them a reason to come back outside of a nostalgia run for an older face here and there.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 30, 2014 13:00:41 GMT -5
His delicious white booty.
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Post by benstudd on Jun 30, 2014 13:13:53 GMT -5
He is a big reason why I took a break from WWE wrestling for a couple of years. lol and behold, I return and he is exactly the same as he was.
He's this Fleshy Robotic Informercial. I don't hate him as I used to cause at least the last year and a half it's been about Bryan(and new acts like The Shield and The Wyatts). But to see him he's still very soul-crushing for me as a wrestling fan, he is everything I've hated about modern pro wrestling in the WWE since 2005. He sucks out my enjoyement of it like you would not believe. There's nothing interesting about him, no mystery that you think by digging you may find something unique there. I was watching Total Divas and my idea was he was pretty blue collar outside the ring but instead he seems like the most artificial human being you can find. Being obsessed that his house stays the way it is, ultra clean. No wonder why his character never changes and he is so stale. He's essentialy Ken from Barbie.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jun 30, 2014 13:40:56 GMT -5
Drew 200 million dimes, never drew a dime
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Post by neilc on Jun 30, 2014 13:45:20 GMT -5
Everyone who beats him is a babyface compared to Cena, I like it when he loses to babyfaces. It's never not been the most interesting aspect of his booking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 13:56:26 GMT -5
I know it's bad, but i wish he suffers a career ending injury soon so we could get rid of him. Prrrretty sure that's against the rules.
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Post by Redbeard's Ghost on Jun 30, 2014 14:13:36 GMT -5
The John Cena Summary Version 17.0
The Person - One of the top 3 celebrities in the world in terms of donating time and effort to charity. A truly nice guy who LOVES wrestling fans. Met him at the airport once at 6am after a PPV event where he worked the last hour of the show. He spent 30 minutes taking pictures with kids and talking to fans as his breakfast sat on the table getting cold. His passion for the business is awesome.
The Worker - Obviously if you are one of those IWC fans who equate "work rate" with "good worker", Cena isn't for you. You should be watching ROH instead of WWE. Cena is a fantastic in-ring performer who has had great matches with everyone he has faced. He has carried Kane, Umaga, and countless other big men to solid main events. He has put over just about every up and comer at one point or another. Continues to work great matches even when hurt. Unless you are tied down to only liking smaller, cruiser-type wrestlers - John Cena is one of the best workers around. As for the "five moves of doom", every top guy has had "five moves of doom" in the history of the business - Bret Hart, Austin, Rock, Hogan, hell even HBK to an extent.
The Character - Yes, it has gotten bland to me. However, one look at the crowd last night showed roughly 20% of the audience wearing some type of John Cena shirt or hat - so obviously it is not bland to the bean counters in Stamford, CT. How many wrestlers have ever allowed a "_____ SUCKS" t-shirt to be made and sold at events? Boring or not, the guy strikes a nerve with wrestling fans one way or another. It would be nice to see Cena evolve a bit, but from a strictly business POV it is fairly easy to see why it hasn't happened. As for his promos, they are pretty stale but from an acting perspective he is very solid. We might not like the point he is making, but the point gets across.
Personally, I can watch John Cena matches with sub-par opponents all day over the Bret Hart matches with the same type of guys. That might be horrible for some fans to hear, but Hart bored the shit out of me. Even the deadest midwestern "fly-over states" crowds are completely into his matches - booing, cheering, chanting - it makes them interesting.
I say YES, there is ALOT to like about John Cena.
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Jun 30, 2014 14:25:30 GMT -5
It seems like these types of threads always provoke similar responses, some people like him, most people are bored with him but for the most part everyone respects the man behind the character.
The problem is that while kids love him, I think a good portion of the audience hates him because he clearly is a corporate creation. Yes, he got over on his own being a generally great entertainer but as time progressed his character became a living embodiment of focus group projections and 'buzz' words. The John Cena character doesn't feel like a real person, he's what the WWE thinks a hero should look like but they don't understand that the idea of what we want in a hero has changed. The only flaw John Cena has is that he's too perfect, it's not realistic. Why should I root for someone that I feel is never really challenged? Someone that is never the underdog? I have flaws, I'm not a perfect person, I'm going to root for someone who I can relate too or at least someone that is innovative and interesting, and John Cena is neither.
I'm not really mad about it, just annoyed. I can enjoy his matches but I'm never truly invested because I know the outcome and when he's giving a promo I just skip it.
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Post by Andy Martin on Jun 30, 2014 14:40:21 GMT -5
I know it's bad, but i wish he suffers a career ending injury soon so we could get rid of him. Prrrretty sure that's against the rules. Even if it weren't, it's a pretty c***y point of view to have anyway.
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