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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 17, 2014 10:03:40 GMT -5
I like Matheny (I got to see him play in AA ball as a minor leaguer for an entire season and became a fan), but he comes across more as a prayer circle leader than a manager. He has almost no faith in his bullpen and thinks that just because Wacha won the NLCS MVP last year, he'd get the same result this time. He was outmanaged big time. He'll get there eventually. He needs to think more with his head than his heart though. I'm just curious what he can do with a team that doesn't get annihilated by injuries for one year. The pickups they made to cover them weren't the best either, (I'm looking at you Masterson and Lackey.) If Molina and Wacha can stay healthy all year next year I think we can pull it off. Wainwright, Lynn, Wacha, Lackey and an improving Miller or healthy Garcia should boost us.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 17, 2014 13:40:39 GMT -5
Yeah, Matheny to be fair has dealt with a lot of guys getting hurt throughout his first three years. Better bullpen management and more faith in Taveras on his part will take him a long way.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Oct 17, 2014 15:35:33 GMT -5
Not really. Give an average MLB caliber manager the team for this series and let them handle the lineup and bullpen, and this series would still be heading home to St. Louis right now. Mike Matheny is more prayer group leader than manager. And to be fair, there is a lot more evidence that a God exists than Matheny's managerial talent exists. Proof? 3 years managing at any level anywhere and 3 years managing his team to at least the League Championship Series? I mean getting your team further than the other 26 managers in baseball every year that you are a manager has to put you in some elite company. Its not like the Cardinals have highly paid all stars at every position and he is failing with them (cough, Dodgers, cough.) Are they loaded with talent? Yes, that's why they are where they are, but so much of that talent is very young. I mean Matheny took over the same year that one of the greatest players in franchise history left and the Cardinals didn't miss a beat. I get that every manager gets blamed when his team loses, but saying he's not even an MLB average manager is ridiculous. If you want say he isn't as great a manager as Bochy, then fine, but Bochy's been around 20 years, and for years and years he was a losing manager for the Padres. Or if Bochy's so great why did the Giants have a losing record last year, while Matheny had his team in the World Series? I don't want it to be a Bochy vs Matheny argument, beacauce Bruce is a hall of fame manager now. But I am just using him as a way to make a point that you are being hyperbolic. Daniel Descalso has been here for all of the years Matheny has been manager, plus 2011 when the Cardinals actually won a World Series. Does that make him an awesome player, or even an awesome bench player? Mike Matheny makes too many questionable decisions handling his bullpen, his everyday lineups, and with his little double-switches. He is routinely outmanaged and often appears to make decisions with no real rationale other than his gut. He inherited a team with strong leadership with veterans who learned the right way to play and win under LaRussa. Molina is like having an extra coach on the team. Mike Matheny was absolutely put in position to win similar to a college coach who is playing with the last coach's recruits/talent.
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 17, 2014 19:50:46 GMT -5
Dodgers president Andrew Friedman said at his introductory press conference Friday that Don Mattingly will "definitely" be the club's manager in 2015.
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Post by RI Richmark on Oct 17, 2014 23:02:33 GMT -5
Around this time 10 years ago:
Which of course led to this:
And the greatest comback in history was on.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 17, 2014 23:33:43 GMT -5
Around this time 10 years ago: Which of course led to this: And the greatest comback in history was on. Hey! I was feeling better until you had to come in here reminding me of THAT World Series.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Oct 17, 2014 23:50:36 GMT -5
Around this time 10 years ago: Which of course led to this: And the greatest comback in history was on. Ah yes. One of my friends in HS at the time was a huge Yankees fan. She was fun to talk to, and was nice talking sports with her. But damn if she did not obsess over Jeter. I was so damn happy when that series went the Red Sox way because I could rub it in her face. Then when the Red Sox won the WS it was even sweeter. Then the 26 WS shit started up....
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 18, 2014 0:12:50 GMT -5
My go to answer when Yankees fans bring up all of the reigns is to ask them how many they've been alive for. Unfortunately they've still won 5 of them since I was born so yeah.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 18, 2014 1:55:42 GMT -5
Oh, we're posting favorite MLB memories now? I always enjoyed this night:
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 18, 2014 9:29:07 GMT -5
Brian Roberts announced his retirement from professional baseball on Friday.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Oct 18, 2014 10:04:41 GMT -5
Proof? 3 years managing at any level anywhere and 3 years managing his team to at least the League Championship Series? I mean getting your team further than the other 26 managers in baseball every year that you are a manager has to put you in some elite company. Its not like the Cardinals have highly paid all stars at every position and he is failing with them (cough, Dodgers, cough.) Are they loaded with talent? Yes, that's why they are where they are, but so much of that talent is very young. I mean Matheny took over the same year that one of the greatest players in franchise history left and the Cardinals didn't miss a beat. I get that every manager gets blamed when his team loses, but saying he's not even an MLB average manager is ridiculous. If you want say he isn't as great a manager as Bochy, then fine, but Bochy's been around 20 years, and for years and years he was a losing manager for the Padres. Or if Bochy's so great why did the Giants have a losing record last year, while Matheny had his team in the World Series? I don't want it to be a Bochy vs Matheny argument, beacauce Bruce is a hall of fame manager now. But I am just using him as a way to make a point that you are being hyperbolic. Daniel Descalso has been here for all of the years Matheny has been manager, plus 2011 when the Cardinals actually won a World Series. Does that make him an awesome player, or even an awesome bench player? Mike Matheny makes too many questionable decisions handling his bullpen, his everyday lineups, and with his little double-switches. He is routinely outmanaged and often appears to make decisions with no real rationale other than his gut. He inherited a team with strong leadership with veterans who learned the right way to play and win under LaRussa. Molina is like having an extra coach on the team. Mike Matheny was absolutely put in position to win similar to a college coach who is playing with the last coach's recruits/talent. So are you saying the Cardinals should be 3-time defending World Series Champions right now, on their way to a fourth? And it is only because of Matheny that they are not? That presupposes that the Cardinals are far and away the best team in baseball, which just isn't the case,and I say that as someone who bleeds Cardinal red. Their Pythagorean Win Loss Record was 83-79, which shows they overachieved this year winning 90 games. Also, you say he inherited a team of veterans, which I guess you mean Molina, Wainwright, and Holliday and ...? 3 out of 25 players? That's a bunch of veterans? And this year Molina was hurt so was Wainwright with his dead arm or whatever and yet they still somehow won the division and beat a team that spent twice as much money on their players in the NLDS. Do I agree with every decision Matheny makes? No, but never in history has there been a manager that isn't second guessed over and over. I mean in 2004 Larussa had the greatest team I've ever seen and lost in the World Series was he outmanaged, too?
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Oct 18, 2014 12:18:16 GMT -5
Daniel Descalso has been here for all of the years Matheny has been manager, plus 2011 when the Cardinals actually won a World Series. Does that make him an awesome player, or even an awesome bench player? Mike Matheny makes too many questionable decisions handling his bullpen, his everyday lineups, and with his little double-switches. He is routinely outmanaged and often appears to make decisions with no real rationale other than his gut. He inherited a team with strong leadership with veterans who learned the right way to play and win under LaRussa. Molina is like having an extra coach on the team. Mike Matheny was absolutely put in position to win similar to a college coach who is playing with the last coach's recruits/talent. So are you saying the Cardinals should be 3-time defending World Series Champions right now, on their way to a fourth? And it is only because of Matheny that they are not? That presupposes that the Cardinals are far and away the best team in baseball, which just isn't the case,and I say that as someone who bleeds Cardinal red. Their Pythagorean Win Loss Record was 83-79, which shows they overachieved this year winning 90 games. Also, you say he inherited a team of veterans, which I guess you mean Molina, Wainwright, and Holliday and ...? 3 out of 25 players? That's a bunch of veterans? And this year Molina was hurt so was Wainwright with his dead arm or whatever and yet they still somehow won the division and beat a team that spent twice as much money on their players in the NLDS. Do I agree with every decision Matheny makes? No, but never in history has there been a manager that isn't second guessed over and over. I mean in 2004 Larussa had the greatest team I've ever seen and lost in the World Series was he outmanaged, too? Where the hell did I actually say a "bunch of veterans". I said he inherited a team of strong leadership with veterans that learned the right way to play and win. Why don't you stick to arguments based upon what I actually say rather than what you misread. Yes, I am talking about the leaders of the clubhouse Molina, Wainwright, and Holliday. They in turn have taken others under their tutelage. There is a winning mentality left by LaRussa in the Cardinals clubhouse. As I said earlier in the thread, if LaRussa was still manager here, I can almost guarantee this Cardinals team would still be playing. Google "Mike Matheny". I'm not the only person who sees this truth. IF you want to delude yourself into thinking that the Cardinals are going to be ok with a D- tactician and A- prayer circle leader running the show, that is your call.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Oct 18, 2014 13:47:03 GMT -5
I think all Cards fans, even when they disagree, can at least unite on the Cubs's sucktitude.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Oct 18, 2014 14:20:03 GMT -5
I think all Cards fans, even when they disagree, can at least unite on the Cubs's sucktitude. The Cubs suck but still manage to kick our ass a few times a year.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Oct 18, 2014 16:28:48 GMT -5
So are you saying the Cardinals should be 3-time defending World Series Champions right now, on their way to a fourth? And it is only because of Matheny that they are not? That presupposes that the Cardinals are far and away the best team in baseball, which just isn't the case,and I say that as someone who bleeds Cardinal red. Their Pythagorean Win Loss Record was 83-79, which shows they overachieved this year winning 90 games. Also, you say he inherited a team of veterans, which I guess you mean Molina, Wainwright, and Holliday and ...? 3 out of 25 players? That's a bunch of veterans? And this year Molina was hurt so was Wainwright with his dead arm or whatever and yet they still somehow won the division and beat a team that spent twice as much money on their players in the NLDS. Do I agree with every decision Matheny makes? No, but never in history has there been a manager that isn't second guessed over and over. I mean in 2004 Larussa had the greatest team I've ever seen and lost in the World Series was he outmanaged, too? Where the hell did I actually say a "bunch of veterans". I said he inherited a team of strong leadership with veterans that learned the right way to play and win. Why don't you stick to arguments based upon what I actually say rather than what you misread. Yes, I am talking about the leaders of the clubhouse Molina, Wainwright, and Holliday. They in turn have taken others under their tutelage. There is a winning mentality left by LaRussa in the Cardinals clubhouse. As I said earlier in the thread, if LaRussa was still manager here, I can almost guarantee this Cardinals team would still be playing. Google "Mike Matheny". I'm not the only person who sees this truth. IF you want to delude yourself into thinking that the Cardinals are going to be ok with a D- tactician and A- prayer circle leader running the show, that is your call. First, I'll say sorry I misunderstood that you since you didn't say "bunch of veterans." I never want to misquote anyone. If you want to debate, I like debate, give me facts and not conjecture and don't call me deluded when I give you stats that agree with my point. Baseball analysts opinions aren't facts.
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Post by RI Richmark on Oct 18, 2014 17:16:03 GMT -5
Around this time 10 years ago: Which of course led to this: And the greatest comback in history was on. Hey! I was feeling better until you had to come in here reminding me of THAT World Series. Sorry, that wasn't my intention. Just wanted to call back on one of the greatest moments in my fandom. {Spoiler}Just a warning, you may not want to be reading this thread on the 27th.
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 18, 2014 19:57:33 GMT -5
Madison Bumgarner will start Tuesday's Game 1 of the World Series for the Giants.
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Post by RI Richmark on Oct 19, 2014 20:31:51 GMT -5
On this day 10 years ago, the single greatest pitching performance of all time:
He may be a blowhard and he may have blown thru $75 Million of my state's money, but this is why I love that big SOB.
Even after games 4&5 I still feared we were being set up for more disappointment but after this I knew the Sox would win.
And I can't let this day pass without bringing up this:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 17:14:47 GMT -5
On this day 10 years ago, the single greatest pitching performance of all time: He may be a blowhard and he may have blown thru $75 Million of my state's money, but this is why I love that big SOB. Even after games 4&5 I still feared we were being set up for more disappointment but after this I knew the Sox would win. And I can't let this day pass without bringing up this: Yes, yes 10 years ago the sox beat the curse. The Ewoks used the Yankees batting helmets like drums. And the Empire was destroyed. Can we please move on? Soxs fans they won 2 more rings after 04! Why no love for 07 or 2013? Instead I have to be reminded of the greatest failure by the greatest sports organization of all time.
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Post by BRV on Oct 20, 2014 18:49:00 GMT -5
Tonight is the tenth anniversary of this:
Then this:
Then this:
And finally, this:
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