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Post by BRAINFADE on Jul 12, 2014 11:02:37 GMT -5
The talent relations under Triple H has been incredible. Sure there are some 'misses,' but the talent they have signed and utilized and the tone of NXT has been exceptional. Yeah. it just makes Johnny Ace's time in charge completely laughable, doesn't it? I'm super excited by this news. KENTA is one of my favourites, I can't wait to see him in WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 11:03:15 GMT -5
I read earlier in this thread that KENTA does what Bryan does - but better? I have to strongly disagree that KENTA does anything better than Bryan other than being Japanese.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jul 12, 2014 11:07:47 GMT -5
I read earlier in this thread that KENTA does what Bryan does - but better? I have to strongly disagree that KENTA does anything better than Bryan other than being Japanese. I'd say KENTA has far better execution than Bryan, but less fire, worse selling, and less psychology skill. Granted, as a diehard Daniel Bryan fan, I've always felt that execution was a slight weakness of Bryan's that was made up for with his fire, character, selling, and brilliant storytelling. KENTA is more the kind of guy who can be slotted easily into WWE matches where he can smoothly and efficiently get in his spots and pop the crowd a bit. Throw him in there with WWE's current crop of very talented workers, and he'll be able to work wonders. He likely won't connect to the audience the way Bryan did, but he will absolutely live up to WWE's high workrate standards and get over as a solid worker. We're looking at a Kofi Kingston level star at absolute worst, if he gets any kind of push.
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Post by amaron on Jul 12, 2014 11:12:00 GMT -5
in all seriousness, the only Japanese guy that ever got a serious sustained push, story lines and character development was tadgers. I'm not totally au fait with kenta, seen a few youtube vids but that is about it, is he better than tajiri and is he likely to been seen as a top guy? Can he speak english for one as that is what pretty much did Sin Cara in. At the least, he bothered to learn enough to thank the fans at his second ROH show, even if he clearly had trouble with it. He also worked very smoothly with American wrestlers very quickly, even in matches with complex spots and sequences. His psychology tends to be a bit basic, but everything he does is very crisp and well executed. His moveset is very similar to Daniel Bryan's WWE moveset, minus the suicide dives, and with a Randy Orton-esque cocky attitude. As much as people are saying he's probably too stiff for WWE as-is, his style is actually very similar to the kind of thing Daniel Bryan, the Shield, and Cesaro have made standard in WWE. He may be seen as a top guy simply because he's coming into a different environment and from a different background. We're talking the first Japanese talent WWE's signed (in decades? possibly ever?) who is coming in as a former heavyweight champion and top star, as well as coming in at a time when WWE is hoping to snag Network subscribers overseas in the near future. Tajiri came in more as a former ECW talent than as a Japanese superstar, which I think absolutely affected how he was treated (mostly for the better, somewhat for the worse). Compare to Yoshi Tatsu, who was nobody really, just a rookie on his foreign excursion before he got his WWE deal. I wonder how they introduce him to the WWE fanbase and make him seem like a big deal. Maybe Heyman as a mouthpiece?
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 12, 2014 11:14:52 GMT -5
Tajiri and Funaki have mentioned this on Twitter today. Haven't seen TAKA Michinoku yet, and I'm not expecting Yoshi Tatsu to say anything.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 12, 2014 11:15:58 GMT -5
I wonder if they're gonna let him use the gts just to f*** with punk, even though he created the move and deserves to use it, even though for the last couple of years the have all looked like shit, not by any fault of his own, but because of his knee surgery and only working with heavyweights. I also liked KENTA's heel work, his tenure with No Mercy was awesome, it was the first purorersu heel faction that I liked in some time, before the bullet club. There's no way he's using the GTS as things are right now. The last thing he needs is mouth-breathers chanting CM PUNK over his matches because he's using "Punk's" finishing move. He'll be fine without it. Yeah you're right he can use another move he created, the buzaiku knee....never mind lol. Big ups to KENTA, please don't put him with selfish guys, send him to nxt, have trips teach him camera angles, cutting a promo, maybe a manager 'till he gets comfortable, don't expect great things from him right off the bat, give him time to develop.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jul 12, 2014 11:25:03 GMT -5
At the least, he bothered to learn enough to thank the fans at his second ROH show, even if he clearly had trouble with it. He also worked very smoothly with American wrestlers very quickly, even in matches with complex spots and sequences. His psychology tends to be a bit basic, but everything he does is very crisp and well executed. His moveset is very similar to Daniel Bryan's WWE moveset, minus the suicide dives, and with a Randy Orton-esque cocky attitude. As much as people are saying he's probably too stiff for WWE as-is, his style is actually very similar to the kind of thing Daniel Bryan, the Shield, and Cesaro have made standard in WWE. He may be seen as a top guy simply because he's coming into a different environment and from a different background. We're talking the first Japanese talent WWE's signed (in decades? possibly ever?) who is coming in as a former heavyweight champion and top star, as well as coming in at a time when WWE is hoping to snag Network subscribers overseas in the near future. Tajiri came in more as a former ECW talent than as a Japanese superstar, which I think absolutely affected how he was treated (mostly for the better, somewhat for the worse). Compare to Yoshi Tatsu, who was nobody really, just a rookie on his foreign excursion before he got his WWE deal. I wonder how they introduce him to the WWE fanbase and make him seem like a big deal. Maybe Heyman as a mouthpiece? I think CM Punk would be the best template for how to introduce him - simple vignettes, tell us who he is. Maybe tell us that he's the inventor of Go 2 Sleep and the Busaiku, maybe not - that sort of thing may go over well in the Wikipedia age. He's got amazing heel presence, even though he mostly got cheered for it in ROH, and that will probably help him get over.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jul 12, 2014 11:26:48 GMT -5
I really hope they keep him far away from Paul Heyman.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 12, 2014 11:44:07 GMT -5
Just watched the press conference, my thoughts: Hulk Hogan is the wrestling god, he might have done some goofy shit over the years, but that f***ing promo, talking about the people he faced in japan; Choshu, Muta, Inoki, Fujinami, then naming KENTA (a guy that never worked for a major company in Japan) amongst them, just gives him instant credibility, it sets the bar a Little high for him maybe, if he, and I'm hope he isn't, turns out to be a flop. KENTA looked awesome in a suit, why not put him with evolution after his nxt stint is done? I feel that one of the things that hurt Sin Cara is that they gave him the same treatment (maybe higher) but didn't do much with him early on, KENTA needs to be put in a huge program, that justifies his signing.
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Post by mrjl on Jul 12, 2014 12:01:26 GMT -5
Just watched the press conference, my thoughts: Hulk Hogan is the wrestling god, he might have done some goofy shit over the years, but that f***ing promo, talking about the people he faced in japan; Choshu, Muta, Inoki, Fujinami, then naming KENTA (a guy that never worked for a major company in Japan) amongst them, just gives him instant credibility, it sets the bar a Little high for him maybe, if he, and I'm hope he isn't, turns out to be a flop. KENTA looked awesome in a suit, why not put him with evolution after his nxt stint is done? I feel that one of the things that hurt Sin Cara is that they gave him the same treatment (maybe higher) but didn't do much with him early on, KENTA needs to be put in a huge program, that justifies his signing. I don't follow Japanese wrestling but from the times I've heard it talked about isn't NOAH like Japan's third biggest company. To declare it not major would be like declaring ECW not a major company.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 12:08:13 GMT -5
KENTA is cool and will be a nice addition to the tag ranks and midcard, so hopefully everyone can keep their expectations in check and not expect a huge push for him. I'd guess that they bring him in as a tag team with Devitt.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jul 12, 2014 12:13:23 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why they signed KENTA when I just spoke with Hogan the other day and he told me they were signing "Sum Jap"
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jul 12, 2014 12:15:56 GMT -5
The sky's the limit for KENTA.... if he can actually wrestle without smacking the hell out of his opponents as hard as he can. I do not think he's actually capable of that, though.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jul 12, 2014 12:21:53 GMT -5
Just watched the press conference, my thoughts: Hulk Hogan is the wrestling god, he might have done some goofy shit over the years, but that f***ing promo, talking about the people he faced in japan; Choshu, Muta, Inoki, Fujinami, then naming KENTA (a guy that never worked for a major company in Japan) amongst them, just gives him instant credibility, it sets the bar a Little high for him maybe, if he, and I'm hope he isn't, turns out to be a flop. KENTA looked awesome in a suit, why not put him with evolution after his nxt stint is done? I feel that one of the things that hurt Sin Cara is that they gave him the same treatment (maybe higher) but didn't do much with him early on, KENTA needs to be put in a huge program, that justifies his signing. For quite a few years last decade, NOAH was the top company in Japan, by quite some distance. And KENTA was a part of those days. It was losing their TV that started their decline, and Misawa's death accelerated it.
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Post by TheSchattenjager on Jul 12, 2014 12:58:45 GMT -5
Everyone's expecting him to use the GTS.
So, to confuse everyone, he should use the Pepsi Plunge.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jul 12, 2014 13:04:48 GMT -5
Just watched the press conference, my thoughts: Hulk Hogan is the wrestling god, he might have done some goofy shit over the years, but that f***ing promo, talking about the people he faced in japan; Choshu, Muta, Inoki, Fujinami, then naming KENTA (a guy that never worked for a major company in Japan) amongst them, just gives him instant credibility, it sets the bar a Little high for him maybe, if he, and I'm hope he isn't, turns out to be a flop. KENTA looked awesome in a suit, why not put him with evolution after his nxt stint is done? I feel that one of the things that hurt Sin Cara is that they gave him the same treatment (maybe higher) but didn't do much with him early on, KENTA needs to be put in a huge program, that justifies his signing. I don't follow Japanese wrestling but from the times I've heard it talked about isn't NOAH like Japan's third biggest company. To declare it not major would be like declaring ECW not a major company. Honestly, I think that NJPW is the only promotion in Japan right now that I'd call "major," with Dragon Gate the only other promotion that's remotely comparable right now from my (very out of date) understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2014 13:16:57 GMT -5
I read earlier in this thread that KENTA does what Bryan does - but better? I have to strongly disagree that KENTA does anything better than Bryan other than being Japanese. I'd say KENTA has far better execution than Bryan, but less fire, worse selling, and less psychology skill. Granted, as a diehard Daniel Bryan fan, I've always felt that execution was a slight weakness of Bryan's that was made up for with his fire, character, selling, and brilliant storytelling. KENTA is more the kind of guy who can be slotted easily into WWE matches where he can smoothly and efficiently get in his spots and pop the crowd a bit. Throw him in there with WWE's current crop of very talented workers, and he'll be able to work wonders. He likely won't connect to the audience the way Bryan did, but he will absolutely live up to WWE's high workrate standards and get over as a solid worker. We're looking at a Kofi Kingston level star at absolute worst, if he gets any kind of push. I post all sorts of smarky crap on this board but I've got to say that first paragraph is the most smarky thing I've ever read. Not that there's anything wrong with what you said, it just made me laugh. I'm not even making fun of the post it just passed that wall where I definitely realized "Yes I am reading posts on a wrestling forum" =P
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jul 12, 2014 13:21:24 GMT -5
I'd say KENTA has far better execution than Bryan, but less fire, worse selling, and less psychology skill. Granted, as a diehard Daniel Bryan fan, I've always felt that execution was a slight weakness of Bryan's that was made up for with his fire, character, selling, and brilliant storytelling. KENTA is more the kind of guy who can be slotted easily into WWE matches where he can smoothly and efficiently get in his spots and pop the crowd a bit. Throw him in there with WWE's current crop of very talented workers, and he'll be able to work wonders. He likely won't connect to the audience the way Bryan did, but he will absolutely live up to WWE's high workrate standards and get over as a solid worker. We're looking at a Kofi Kingston level star at absolute worst, if he gets any kind of push. I post all sorts of smarky crap on this board but I've got to say that first paragraph is the most smarky thing I've ever read. Not that there's anything wrong with what you said, it just made me laugh. I'm not even making fun of the post it just passed that wall where I definitely realized "Yes I am reading posts on a wrestling forum" =P Heh. Taken in good humor! I believe that the reason to even have such jargon is to make more fine-tuned comparisons. In comparing two wrestlers that are indeed similar, the specialized language of the fandom is about all we have - especially when specific strengths and weaknesses are up for debate.
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Post by JTH on Jul 12, 2014 13:27:32 GMT -5
So can I go ahead and prepare my DVR for the night after WrestleMania 31?
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 12, 2014 13:29:14 GMT -5
All I can say is, I cannot wait for him to wrestle Seth Rollins.
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