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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 12:34:06 GMT -5
During WWE's most popular and for some fans most acclaimed years, they'd often mention or allude to other promotions like WCW or ECW. Okay maybe not often, but occasionally. WCW sure did it a lot. And especially today in the information age, I think it makes sense to acknowledge things from outside your company or from the past. Personally I don't mind it, at least to me it's the least of TNA's problems over the years. Not to say it can't be poorly done or cheesy, but for me it's not inherently a deal breaker. Plus I like the wrestlers we're talking about, I think Dreamer is underrated. And some of them are just entertaining to have around, I'd love to see Sandman as somebody's crazy manager or something. I'm in the same boat sort of. I like the wrestlers involved. Rhino's awesome, still looks great and is grossly underrated. The Dudleys obviously are great, and Dreamer too. Some of what went down on Impact was alright, I like the general story of Bully wanting to get his hands on Dixie but there are details that just annoy me. I don't like that we're pretending that Bully Ray's always been a standup guy and that Rhino betraying him is this shocking thing and completely ignoring that Bully's done far more egregious things in his TNA career than Rhino. HIS NAME IS BULLY RAY. I haaaaated them having Dreamer come out and say that thing about "there's something in the air and we can feel it, that this is becoming the new home for hardcore wrestling" as if TNA are anywhere close to the heir apparent of ECW. Not a chance. There should be more actual TNA guys in this, the only person who stands to benefit from this angle is EC3. Why are a bunch of ECW guys chosen to be the arbiters of justice in TNA? Taz's promo in the opening was the worst. I've so had my fill of pure nostalgia booking, I benefit nothing to hear Taz say "beat me if you can, survive if I let you" and then hear him sit down and sound like a grandpa the rest of the night. The Taz of old is gone and his credibility is dead.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 19, 2014 12:45:49 GMT -5
I can't watch TNA because my TV is off, it is on the wrong channel, anyway, and it is not currently showing.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 19, 2014 12:59:32 GMT -5
They are doing ECW shit AGAIN??? Yes. They brought back DVON, Rhino, and Dreamer, and will likely be re-uniting Team 3D. Oh, another HARD-Core Justice PPV (their ECW style one) is on its way. ROH out draws them, because they have young fresh talent people will PAY to see. Well to be honest outside of Joe and Roode. The home grown talent isn't what it used to be. I mean the best talent they home grew left. I'm thinking guys like Bram, Magnus, EY (ratings where down when he was champion), and ext. Most of them fans could give to craps about because there is nothing that special about them. Yes it TNA own fault for not trying to sign the big name Indie guys like the WWE does. Instead they want MVP, Lashley, and ex ECW guys which is not good business. The worst thing about is when it comes to bring in these ECW guys and what that costs. Add that to the high recent the NY building cost. They be lucky to break even. Bully Ray makes sense as TNA did give him the big singles push but now they are throwing him back as tag teaming. TNA biggest draws for this kind of crowd is Joe, Roode, The Wolves, and maybe Hardy on the regular roster but TNA in a good business way shouldn't have to relay on outside company people to help draw a damn thing. EC3 was awesome but his he a draw yet? no.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 19, 2014 13:22:24 GMT -5
They're doing ECW shit? Again?
Damn.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 19, 2014 14:29:18 GMT -5
I don't really see it as more ECW shit. They're not talking about reliving the ECW days or trying to recreate it, it is Bubba feuding with Dixie for months now reuniting with Devon who he is going into the Hall of Fame with and working with his best friend Tommy Dreamer that Dixie also screwed over. There aren't many other people that had that connecting with each other and the fans that could do something like this. As for the coming weeks: {Spoiler}Yes Dixie brings in Snitsky and Ezekiel Jackson as "past ECW stars" she is siccing on Bubba but that is just to further that Dixie is delusional and it all ends the week after with those guys gone, Dixie gone, Dreamer gone, and Rhino gone. Hell, the HardCore Justice show mentioned earlier has nothing to do with ECW other than a past PPV being used for it. This year, like the past few is just a hardcore themed event.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 14:49:55 GMT -5
During WWE's most popular and for some fans most acclaimed years, they'd often mention or allude to other promotions like WCW or ECW. Okay maybe not often, but occasionally. WCW sure did it a lot. And especially today in the information age, I think it makes sense to acknowledge things from outside your company or from the past. Personally I don't mind it, at least to me it's the least of TNA's problems over the years. Not to say it can't be poorly done or cheesy, but for me it's not inherently a deal breaker. Plus I like the wrestlers we're talking about, I think Dreamer is underrated. And some of them are just entertaining to have around, I'd love to see Sandman as somebody's crazy manager or something. The difference is that back then WWF and WCW acknowledged each other, New Japan, ECW, Smoky Maountain, USWA, etc. Promotions that, at the time, were currently active. TNA just put on a show in 2014 featuring stars from ECW (which they can't make a dime off of) and refrencing when Raw (which they also can't make a dime off of) had ECW guys on it 17 years ago. Yet somehow this is how we are supposed to learn what TNA stands for and is all about. Also, it was hilarious that Dreamer cut a long promo where he said wrestling should have less talking. Then the rest of the show had lots of talking too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 14:51:36 GMT -5
Yes. They brought back DVON, Rhino, and Dreamer, and will likely be re-uniting Team 3D. Oh, another HARD-Core Justice PPV (their ECW style one) is on its way. ROH out draws them, because they have young fresh talent people will PAY to see. Well to be honest outside of Joe and Roode. The home grown talent isn't what it used to be. I mean the best talent they home grew left. I'm thinking guys like Bram, Magnus, EY (ratings where down when he was champion), and ext. Most of them fans could give to craps about because there is nothing that special about them. Yes it TNA own fault for not trying to sign the big name Indie guys like the WWE does. Instead they want MVP, Lashley, and ex ECW guys which is not good business. The worst thing about is when it comes to bring in these ECW guys and what that costs. Add that to the high recent the NY building cost. They be lucky to break even. Bully Ray makes sense as TNA did give him the big singles push but now they are throwing him back as tag teaming. TNA biggest draws for this kind of crowd is Joe, Roode, The Wolves, and maybe Hardy on the regular roster but TNA in a good business way shouldn't have to relay on outside company people to help draw a damn thing. EC3 was awesome but his he a draw yet? no. Young Bucks vs reDRagon for the ROH tag titles = sell outs. Ken Anderson vs Shaw = shitty wrestling, and draws of 200 people. This is not rocket science. They're trying to be the WWE, by hiring what they think are good personalities for TV, but doing a much worse job than the WWE. Bring in people that have exciting matches, and their indie crowds will grow. It's obvious no matter how good, or how bad their TV product is, their ratings will just stay the same, but their attendance has been proven to drop if they have talent no one wants to pay to see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 18:47:33 GMT -5
This is the key problem with TNA; an overreliance on existing names and a (hopefully) unintentional habit of hyping a promotion that they can't make any income off of.
Granted, I'm aware that the #2 promotions in American wrestling history seem to follow the same plan of action, which is emulate the #1 company. That said, TNA has had its own advantages in its 12+ years with great reactions at PPVs and their own talent, but for whatever godforsaken reason, they don't want to forge their own identity. Rather, they want to mimic the WWE or rely on the easy pop. These can work IF they are used to promote fresh faces, but the end product seems to focus on staying with the standard people and not, you know, thinking outside the box.
At this time, I'd just focus on what happens in the ring instead of what happens in taped vignettes.
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Post by Kaysie on Jul 19, 2014 18:55:28 GMT -5
ECW! ECW! Extremely Creative Writers!
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 19, 2014 20:16:52 GMT -5
I can't watch TNA because my TV is off, it is on the wrong channel, anyway, and it is not currently showing. Dude, this is the year 2014, none of that is a valid excuse. You could say you don't even own a TV and it still wouldn't be a good excuse.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 19, 2014 22:19:54 GMT -5
To think that a couple of weeks ago, when the results of those NYC tapings were posted here, most was genuinely excited about what would happen this summer in TNA. That didn't take long. That's cause people watched the ECW stuff? And were genuinly underwhelmed. I mean if you promote ECW, want to repeat it, well you better make it as good as it was in 1995 or 1998. It better be as hardcore and as brutal. Just having EC3 getting into a table cannot cut it, tables are being broken every week on Impact. So if you can't do it right? Don't do it. Cause if feels even more like a nostalgia show. I mean in ECW guys were killing themselves and I've seen nothing of that with Bully and EC3 or the others. Except Hardy and it had nothing to do with ECW.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 19, 2014 22:23:38 GMT -5
During WWE's most popular and for some fans most acclaimed years, they'd often mention or allude to other promotions like WCW or ECW. Okay maybe not often, but occasionally. WCW sure did it a lot. And especially today in the information age, I think it makes sense to acknowledge things from outside your company or from the past. Personally I don't mind it, at least to me it's the least of TNA's problems over the years. Not to say it can't be poorly done or cheesy, but for me it's not inherently a deal breaker. Plus I like the wrestlers we're talking about, I think Dreamer is underrated. And some of them are just entertaining to have around, I'd love to see Sandman as somebody's crazy manager or something. Personally, I don't mind using former ECW guys. That is not the issue.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 19, 2014 22:30:47 GMT -5
During WWE's most popular and for some fans most acclaimed years, they'd often mention or allude to other promotions like WCW or ECW. Okay maybe not often, but occasionally. WCW sure did it a lot. And especially today in the information age, I think it makes sense to acknowledge things from outside your company or from the past. Personally I don't mind it, at least to me it's the least of TNA's problems over the years. Not to say it can't be poorly done or cheesy, but for me it's not inherently a deal breaker. Plus I like the wrestlers we're talking about, I think Dreamer is underrated. And some of them are just entertaining to have around, I'd love to see Sandman as somebody's crazy manager or something. I'm in the same boat sort of. I like the wrestlers involved. Rhino's awesome, still looks great and is grossly underrated. The Dudleys obviously are great, and Dreamer too. Some of what went down on Impact was alright, I like the general story of Bully wanting to get his hands on Dixie but there are details that just annoy me. I don't like that we're pretending that Bully Ray's always been a standup guy and that Rhino betraying him is this shocking thing and completely ignoring that Bully's done far more egregious things in his TNA career than Rhino. HIS NAME IS BULLY RAY. I haaaaated them having Dreamer come out and say that thing about "there's something in the air and we can feel it, that this is becoming the new home for hardcore wrestling" as if TNA are anywhere close to the heir apparent of ECW. Not a chance. There should be more actual TNA guys in this, the only person who stands to benefit from this angle is EC3. Why are a bunch of ECW guys chosen to be the arbiters of justice in TNA? Taz's promo in the opening was the worst. I've so had my fill of pure nostalgia booking, I benefit nothing to hear Taz say "beat me if you can, survive if I let you" and then hear him sit down and sound like a grandpa the rest of the night. The Taz of old is gone and his credibility is dead. If anything, they could have used a big heel TNA homegrown saying "I'm tired of this ECW crap" and making sure they are destroyed before the end of the night. It's a shame Roode is a face cause he would have been perfect for it.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jul 20, 2014 9:28:24 GMT -5
Another ECW rehash......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 9:38:48 GMT -5
I'm in the same boat sort of. I like the wrestlers involved. Rhino's awesome, still looks great and is grossly underrated. The Dudleys obviously are great, and Dreamer too. Some of what went down on Impact was alright, I like the general story of Bully wanting to get his hands on Dixie but there are details that just annoy me. I don't like that we're pretending that Bully Ray's always been a standup guy and that Rhino betraying him is this shocking thing and completely ignoring that Bully's done far more egregious things in his TNA career than Rhino. HIS NAME IS BULLY RAY. I haaaaated them having Dreamer come out and say that thing about "there's something in the air and we can feel it, that this is becoming the new home for hardcore wrestling" as if TNA are anywhere close to the heir apparent of ECW. Not a chance. There should be more actual TNA guys in this, the only person who stands to benefit from this angle is EC3. Why are a bunch of ECW guys chosen to be the arbiters of justice in TNA? Taz's promo in the opening was the worst. I've so had my fill of pure nostalgia booking, I benefit nothing to hear Taz say "beat me if you can, survive if I let you" and then hear him sit down and sound like a grandpa the rest of the night. The Taz of old is gone and his credibility is dead. If anything, they could have used a big heel TNA homegrown saying "I'm tired of this ECW crap" and making sure they are destroyed before the end of the night. It's a shame Roode is a face cause he would have been perfect for it. It would actually be better if it were a babyface saying that they were sick of ECW crap, and that things should be all about TNA. Then when the ECW guys attack him with their weapons and stuff, he outwrestles them in the name of TNA and the new age of pro wrestling. But I do realize that wouldn't work in New York.
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Post by percymania on Jul 20, 2014 10:51:34 GMT -5
You forgot Rhino.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 20, 2014 18:07:17 GMT -5
Did Dreamer cry?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 20, 2014 18:54:19 GMT -5
What's funny us that they're missing ECW true spirit. Paul Heyman never looked to the past, he had all the stars past their prime (Muraco and Snuka to name a few) phased out and focused on the younger talent, the future. If ECW still existed all those guys (Taz, Dudleys, Dreamer) wouldn't be used anymore, if heyman had booked the NYC tapings he would've the ECW old guys job to the wolves, joe and Gunner, lol no f*** Gunner, Austin Aries. And you know what the NYC audience would've respected that, but no, unless TNA learns that their home grown talent is better than the wwe castoffs they'll make the same mistakes over and over.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 20, 2014 19:53:31 GMT -5
Here is how I see it: playing off ECW's legacy a bit for tapings in the Hammerstein Ballroom isn't actually a bad idea, since it can help draw the audience who remember those ECW days so fondly. But trying to recreate sea as is pointless. Instead, they should be using ECW's memory to help draw some of the audience-but putting on they're own unique shows to grow the audience. Were it me doing the booking, I would be using the former ECW stars to put over TNA's own talent right now and establish them with exciting programs. Feel free to disagree, but I would start by reuniting Team 3D and the Hardy Brothers and engaging them in a 3 way rivalry with the Wolves over the belts, with the Wolves coming out on top, having gone over two of the greatest tag teams ever.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 22, 2014 5:56:05 GMT -5
Almost did at the beginning when he came in. He was struggling for sure.
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