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Post by wallabylikeyou on Jul 19, 2014 4:03:54 GMT -5
I find Anita Sarkeesian to be informative and insightful but her videos can be a little dry. I understand why that is and I do try and make sure I get up to date with her videos eventually but I do sometimes struggle with them.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 19, 2014 4:07:31 GMT -5
If you want to see rebuttals of these, I've seen them. PM me and I'll send you the YouTube videos. Otherwise, how dumb do you think I am to start this debate?
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Post by Hurbster on Jul 19, 2014 4:15:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I ain't touching this with yours.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jul 19, 2014 4:16:55 GMT -5
I find them terrible and I'm just going to leave it at that.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 19, 2014 4:18:01 GMT -5
Oh shit someone brought up Anita!
*abandons thread*
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Post by Glitch on Jul 19, 2014 4:41:52 GMT -5
Oh boy. This will go well.
All I gotta say is that I like feminism, and that I hate Anita. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jul 19, 2014 4:59:53 GMT -5
Without watching the video just what is everyone's problem with the lady?
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jul 19, 2014 5:12:28 GMT -5
I personally just feel that she presents very basic arguments. I would much prefer if she actually tackled it heavily .
Although in no way does she deserve the shit that she cops.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 19, 2014 8:37:52 GMT -5
I'll say that gaming's treatment of women is a topic worth discussing, but from past threads here it's unfortunately apparent that a lot of people here still fall into rather disappointing traps regarding it.
The last time I remember this discussion occurring was before some modern games that may have addressed the subject better came out ,but the gaming world is still really defensive in general when you challenge their golden calf
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Jul 19, 2014 8:51:19 GMT -5
Not right now. If this thread's still open (and here) when I get back from work, maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 9:00:52 GMT -5
She's really looking too far into it. Like okay, you can "violate" women in open-world games. You can do the exact same thing to men. Women in video games are sexualized but so are men (Do I really need to explain why almost every male game protagonist is a handsome young man in perfect physical condition?).
I do think that on the whole, women in games aren't treated on equal footing with men, but I don't think her examples here are particularly good.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 19, 2014 9:12:31 GMT -5
Some of her examples are a stretch, but the video game industry is so f***ed up equality wise that I don't think that's much of an issue. For every far reaching one Anita brings up, she'll have three more that make you think "they actually did that?"
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 19, 2014 9:41:16 GMT -5
Men are usually idealized in games, they're not often sexualized though, and certainly not to the degree that women typically are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 9:43:34 GMT -5
I was over thinking female characters the other day.
You know who the best female character ever is? Ms Packman. Think about it.
She has a little bow on her head, that's it. She does everything Packman did. Exactly everything. And by having Packman as her name, she takes the man out of his name and makes it a sirname. He isn't Pack-Man, he is Mr Packman.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 10:19:21 GMT -5
The average response to Anita's videos (on Twitter, YouTube, etc.) proves her points far better than the videos themselves ever could.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 10:30:03 GMT -5
The average response to Anita's videos (on Twitter, YouTube, etc.) proves her points far better than the videos themselves ever could. You realize that doesn't make any sense? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 10:38:20 GMT -5
The average response to Anita's videos (on Twitter, YouTube, etc.) proves her points far better than the videos themselves ever could. You realize that doesn't make any sense? Anita's basic point is that both the developers and gamers themselves can hold some pretty sexist viewpoints. Said gamers respond to these claims by making all sorts of hideously sexist comments. How does that not make sense? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 10:49:19 GMT -5
You realize that doesn't make any sense? Anita's basic point is that both the developers and gamers themselves can hold some pretty sexist viewpoints. Said gamers respond to these claims by making all sorts of hideously sexist comments. How does that not make sense? Sexist comments don't prove anything about sexism in actual video games, which is what her videos are supposed to be about. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 11:12:08 GMT -5
Anita's basic point is that both the developers and gamers themselves can hold some pretty sexist viewpoints. Said gamers respond to these claims by making all sorts of hideously sexist comments. How does that not make sense? Sexist comments don't prove anything about sexism in actual video games, which is what her videos are supposed to be about. The utter refusal by some gamers to have anything even remotely resembling a civil dialogue is what allows those tropes to be so prevalent, though. A lot of developers refuse to take chances with their games because they're trying to appeal to the broadest number of people, and those developers aren't gonna' rock the boat by doing something as earth-shattering as trying to make their games more diverse if they're just going to be greeted with jeers of "why are you trying to kowtow to those feminist bitches." The tropes themselves are self-evident, but it's the views of many gamers that encourages their repeated use. |
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Post by Hakumental on Jul 19, 2014 11:12:29 GMT -5
Without watching the video just what is everyone's problem with the lady? A lot of male video game players are uncomfortable with the argument that many games take a coldly cynical approach to the portrayal of their female characters, turning them a bunch of weepy, ineffective, and shallow fetish models in settings where strong V-shaped men with more (or even less) personality solve all the problems and do all the work. Because most people are idiots, this discomfort metastasizes into hysteria, feminists are suddenly all man-hating Nazis, male video game players are suddenly all socially-stunted chauvinists, IF YOU AREN'T WITH US YOU'RE AGAINST US, four-letter words start flying everywhere, and all hope of calm discourse is blown to atoms. For my own part, I can't help but wonder if Sarkeesian is making money by criticizing something she doesn't actually care about. Just a hunch. |
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