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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 21, 2014 16:34:45 GMT -5
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Post by ededdneddy on Aug 21, 2014 16:45:49 GMT -5
Oh god, the people in Africa have enough heartache they don't need more TNA. Also what if it goes out of business what happens to that deal then?
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Post by jagilki on Aug 21, 2014 17:01:43 GMT -5
*hopes TNA will bring in UTI*
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Post by benstudd on Aug 21, 2014 17:57:37 GMT -5
I know people want to remain optimistic about TNA Surviving and maybe using the time to improve But I've given TNA nearly FIVE YEARS to Improve, and they haven't. 3 Months ain't gonna do shit but delay the inevitable they've built for themselves at this point, And with all the Talent that's leaving it makes it even worse. So honestly, TNA is a wounded animal that just needs to be put down to me. And I know people want more wrestling variety on TV that isn't WWE, but at this point, go online, go Indy, because if TNA is the alternative at this point then there might as well not be one... a few bright spots in a mound of shit isn't an alternative to me, it's something that I probably wouldn't watch regularly if it wasn't for the awesome people here, cause ya'll are awesome and the Threads we make are awesome, I wish we could give Magic knows Black Lives Matter a live mic so he could dub over TNA Commentary Sorry if I'm being really negative but I really just want to see this company go down, I want the workers to find work and provide for themselves and families, but TNA has used Second Chance after Second Chance and they aren't getting any more from me unless they pull the miracle of miracles and none of these fools in Creative and Business for this company are Black Jesus... But what you are saying is ultimately selfish, not realising the extent of the damage it would do to the wrestling business. You think they suck and they have no hope so you want them to go away. But nobody is gonna go trying to find other feds on the net, these 1.4 viewers that watch every week are not gonna think "OMG I need to go watch my local indy feds!". Cause for most wrestling fans, wrestling is mainly a TV show. And they enjoy it when they watch it but it does not go beyond that. And forget the house shows, it's a dead market in 2014, people rarely support house shows-only wrestling promotions anymore. The moment TNA ends, it's WWE RAW and Smackdown and their 9.99 shillin'. And the same damn product for everybody. Amidst shitty TNA booking I'll take one match of Samoa Joe facing Low-Ki as something MORE I can get over what I see on RAW. Yes I'll suffer the rest of the TNA crap just for this.
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Post by benstudd on Aug 21, 2014 18:03:07 GMT -5
Part of it is the fact that people here on FAN like making fun of tna so much, that they make fun of every single aspect of the company. To the point where they make even the good parts sound like utter crap. Tna supplies more than enough material to be ridiculed, but if you check the Impact threads every week, you'd swear that nothing good ever happens. sometimes they aren't even jokes, but guys just saying it sucks at every single moment that happens. I'm not expecting everybody to like tna, but some people are really stretching their pessimism when it comes to news on the negotiations. How many times TNA has promised that they learned from their mistakes? How many times they said that this dangling carrot is needed to get the next level? Or this change in creative direction will solve everything? Or we need this wrestler to break into the mainstream? I bought into TNA way back when it was a glorified weekly ppv indie. I didn't like it because it was not WWE like most fans of early TNA used as their battle cry. I liked it because it was a good show with some great matches and angles. I overlooked shitty things like Russo or using other promotions for heat because the wrestling was the selling point. But years of TNA downplaying what brought them to the dance, mind numbing booking, and consistent front office mismanagement eroded my faith in them. We get great moment liks BFG Series 2012 and follow that up with Aces and Eight. We warned about letting Hogan and Bischoff coming in and taking over. Folks here said it was a good idea, other said big mistake. Guess what? The "negative" people were right. Seeing people like Styles, Sabin, Daniels, Kaz, and Ray leave to get replace with underwhelming scabs doesn't fill me with hope. Seeing Sting finally leaving was good but a guy like Bully Ray who basically was the Triple H in TNA in front and behind the camera calling it quits suddenly doesn't tell me the future is looking bright. And people say folks are way too negative and shit on everything. You must missed the parts where people praising the current reign of Lashley. Or big ups going out to Gail Kim. Or recognizing EC3 and Spud as the best duo TNA has since Bad Influence went to greener pastures. I and others can't check our brains when TNA used Dixie going through a table as some groundbreaking, game changing event. That whole angle was disgusting and the aftermath just as bad. I want to be happy for TNA getting another 3 months to show and prove to Spike but I can't. Like someone whose been constantly lied to, my trust in them is empty. What direction are they going to use next? More hardcore EC-DUB matches and angles. More ripping off the Attitude Era greatest's hits. Creative retelling of WWE angles like James Wyatt and Sanada or World Champion Eric Young. Russo influenced storylines that they swear Russo didn't write. So I'm not holding a parade for TNA because as soon I give back some of my support, they will do something to ruin it. And I really don't care if anyone does fill the void of being number 2 promotion in the US. Don't care if GFW actually becomes a thing or TNA goes the way of the dodo. Folks keep talking about the wrestling industry is "dying". But it's better than it was around the death of ECW and WCW. There are tons of great alternatives out there. The ways to watch and consume pro wrestling is much better. There are reason why TNA having broke into the mainstream and became much bigger (name of the company, lack of marketing). There are reasons why the WWE Network isn't doing gangbusters as folks think it should (like how people were used to watching most of the WWE video library free on YouTube and don't feel they should pay for it). As long as people spend money for said product instead of trying to find bit torrents, it will be fine. But again, most people don't shoot themselves on Indy wrestling. Most wrestling fans are TV fans mostly and for them only WWE and TNA exist, it's the only way they can get access to wrestling.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 21, 2014 18:10:50 GMT -5
I know people want to remain optimistic about TNA Surviving and maybe using the time to improve But I've given TNA nearly FIVE YEARS to Improve, and they haven't. 3 Months ain't gonna do shit but delay the inevitable they've built for themselves at this point, And with all the Talent that's leaving it makes it even worse. So honestly, TNA is a wounded animal that just needs to be put down to me. And I know people want more wrestling variety on TV that isn't WWE, but at this point, go online, go Indy, because if TNA is the alternative at this point then there might as well not be one... a few bright spots in a mound of shit isn't an alternative to me, it's something that I probably wouldn't watch regularly if it wasn't for the awesome people here, cause ya'll are awesome and the Threads we make are awesome, I wish we could give Magic knows Black Lives Matter a live mic so he could dub over TNA Commentary Sorry if I'm being really negative but I really just want to see this company go down, I want the workers to find work and provide for themselves and families, but TNA has used Second Chance after Second Chance and they aren't getting any more from me unless they pull the miracle of miracles and none of these fools in Creative and Business for this company are Black Jesus... Most people, even wrestling nerds like ourselves don't have time to go online and try to find good stuff. Most of us don't even watch WWE programming aside from RAW and NXT. While there is a lot of great indy wrestling out there, most of them don't put out a product that we can watch weekly the way we do with WWE and TNA, so "keeping up" tends to be hard. I want the workers to find work, but I want them to find work that I can readily access and watch weekly, so that I and other fans can continue appreciating their work, and they can get the recognition they deserve, and that just isn't going to happen if TNA folds. That's the same reason why I moan and bitch about WWE wrestlers being released, because even if they get tons of indy bookings and put on good matches, they don't get any type of buzz for it because its usually in promotions that even hardcore indy marks don't know of.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 21, 2014 18:15:08 GMT -5
How many times TNA has promised that they learned from their mistakes? How many times they said that this dangling carrot is needed to get the next level? Or this change in creative direction will solve everything? Or we need this wrestler to break into the mainstream? I bought into TNA way back when it was a glorified weekly ppv indie. I didn't like it because it was not WWE like most fans of early TNA used as their battle cry. I liked it because it was a good show with some great matches and angles. I overlooked shitty things like Russo or using other promotions for heat because the wrestling was the selling point. But years of TNA downplaying what brought them to the dance, mind numbing booking, and consistent front office mismanagement eroded my faith in them. We get great moment liks BFG Series 2012 and follow that up with Aces and Eight. We warned about letting Hogan and Bischoff coming in and taking over. Folks here said it was a good idea, other said big mistake. Guess what? The "negative" people were right. Seeing people like Styles, Sabin, Daniels, Kaz, and Ray leave to get replace with underwhelming scabs doesn't fill me with hope. Seeing Sting finally leaving was good but a guy like Bully Ray who basically was the Triple H in TNA in front and behind the camera calling it quits suddenly doesn't tell me the future is looking bright. And people say folks are way too negative and shit on everything. You must missed the parts where people praising the current reign of Lashley. Or big ups going out to Gail Kim. Or recognizing EC3 and Spud as the best duo TNA has since Bad Influence went to greener pastures. I and others can't check our brains when TNA used Dixie going through a table as some groundbreaking, game changing event. That whole angle was disgusting and the aftermath just as bad. I want to be happy for TNA getting another 3 months to show and prove to Spike but I can't. Like someone whose been constantly lied to, my trust in them is empty. What direction are they going to use next? More hardcore EC-DUB matches and angles. More ripping off the Attitude Era greatest's hits. Creative retelling of WWE angles like James Wyatt and Sanada or World Champion Eric Young. Russo influenced storylines that they swear Russo didn't write. So I'm not holding a parade for TNA because as soon I give back some of my support, they will do something to ruin it. And I really don't care if anyone does fill the void of being number 2 promotion in the US. Don't care if GFW actually becomes a thing or TNA goes the way of the dodo. Folks keep talking about the wrestling industry is "dying". But it's better than it was around the death of ECW and WCW. There are tons of great alternatives out there. The ways to watch and consume pro wrestling is much better. There are reason why TNA having broke into the mainstream and became much bigger (name of the company, lack of marketing). There are reasons why the WWE Network isn't doing gangbusters as folks think it should (like how people were used to watching most of the WWE video library free on YouTube and don't feel they should pay for it). As long as people spend money for said product instead of trying to find bit torrents, it will be fine. But again, most people don't shoot themselves on Indy wrestling. Most wrestling fans are TV fans mostly and for them only WWE and TNA exist, it's the only way they can get access to wrestling. More people nowadays watch tv shows and movies online than parking in front of the television. There are also more people with internet only instead of cable and satellite. If someone wants to watch any type of wrestling, as long as they got internet access; they can watch it. Pro wrestling isn't just WWE or TNA. Not everyone is a fan of those companies. Even people living in the middle of nowhere have some form of live wrestling to see. Just because there's Coke and Pepsi does that mean that is the only type of cola to drink.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 21, 2014 18:19:55 GMT -5
I know people want to remain optimistic about TNA Surviving and maybe using the time to improve But I've given TNA nearly FIVE YEARS to Improve, and they haven't. 3 Months ain't gonna do shit but delay the inevitable they've built for themselves at this point, And with all the Talent that's leaving it makes it even worse. So honestly, TNA is a wounded animal that just needs to be put down to me. And I know people want more wrestling variety on TV that isn't WWE, but at this point, go online, go Indy, because if TNA is the alternative at this point then there might as well not be one... a few bright spots in a mound of shit isn't an alternative to me, it's something that I probably wouldn't watch regularly if it wasn't for the awesome people here, cause ya'll are awesome and the Threads we make are awesome, I wish we could give Magic knows Black Lives Matter a live mic so he could dub over TNA Commentary Sorry if I'm being really negative but I really just want to see this company go down, I want the workers to find work and provide for themselves and families, but TNA has used Second Chance after Second Chance and they aren't getting any more from me unless they pull the miracle of miracles and none of these fools in Creative and Business for this company are Black Jesus... Most people, even wrestling nerds like ourselves don't have time to go online and try to find good stuff. Most of us don't even WWE programming aside from RAW and NXT. While there is a lot of great indy wrestling out there, most of them don't put out a product that we can watch weekly the way we do with WWE and TNA, so "keeping up" tends to be hard. That's on them then. Can't say you tried of the same shit every week and not put in the effort to find new things to watch. I know a tons of wrestling companies that have weekly shows on their websites and Youtube. A couple of seconds on Google and you got a new obsession.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 18:20:39 GMT -5
Oh god, the people in Africa have enough heartache they don't need more TNA. Also what if it goes out of business what happens to that deal then? Eh, they'll piece together old footage and make new episodes. It's impressive that there is a continent-wide sports network, but Africa is still a very poor continent. However, history has told us that wrestling promotions go to untapped markets to make a quick buck. Of course, if this was the deal TNA wanted instead of securing a long-term network deal in the United States, from which they are based and operate mostly from, they are truly Class 5 Idiots.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 21, 2014 18:22:29 GMT -5
Oh Great Power UTI needs to happen. It needs to happen BAD.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 18:29:41 GMT -5
Oh Great Power UTI needs to happen. It needs to happen BAD.
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Post by benstudd on Aug 21, 2014 18:33:48 GMT -5
But again, most people don't shoot themselves on Indy wrestling. Most wrestling fans are TV fans mostly and for them only WWE and TNA exist, it's the only way they can get access to wrestling. More people nowadays watch tv shows and movies online than parking in front of the television. There are also more people with internet only instead of cable and satellite. If someone wants to watch any type of wrestling, as long as they got internet access; they can watch it. Pro wrestling isn't just WWE or TNA. Not everyone is a fan of those companies. Even people living in the middle of nowhere have some form of live wrestling to see. Just because there's Coke and Pepsi does that mean that is the only type of cola to drink. But again that's a lot of what if and maybees and social studies of of behaviors of people bullshit. At the end of the day, for most people the only wrestling that exist are WWE and TNA cause it's easily accessible cause it's on free TV. And it's not about being a fan but watching what is easier to get. What you are talking about is still very much science-fiction. I'm talking about reality. A group of guys are not gonna band together to watch an unknown wrestling fed on You Tube to replace Impact Wrestling.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 21, 2014 18:43:53 GMT -5
More people nowadays watch tv shows and movies online than parking in front of the television. There are also more people with internet only instead of cable and satellite. If someone wants to watch any type of wrestling, as long as they got internet access; they can watch it. Pro wrestling isn't just WWE or TNA. Not everyone is a fan of those companies. Even people living in the middle of nowhere have some form of live wrestling to see. Just because there's Coke and Pepsi does that mean that is the only type of cola to drink. But again that's a lot of what if and maybees and social studies of of behaviors of people bullshit. At the end of the day, for most people the only wrestling that exist are WWE and TNA cause it's easily accessible cause it's on free TV. And it's not about being a fan but watching what is easier to get. Pro wrestling didn't die when WCW and ECW died and those companies were much larger and more influential than TNA could dream of. I'm sensing some folks want TNA around out of fear of they will be forced to watch only WWE programming. But guess what? You don't have to watch it. Like you can watch and be a fan of MMA and not watch any UFC. It's easier to type on a search engine than click on a channel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 18:52:04 GMT -5
I think my verdict on TNA is, after all of the stupid shit she's done leading the company, I don't want to see Dixie managing to have any successes because by this point anything good that happens to her she'll be lucking into.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 21, 2014 19:00:35 GMT -5
But again that's a lot of what if and maybees and social studies of of behaviors of people bullshit. At the end of the day, for most people the only wrestling that exist are WWE and TNA cause it's easily accessible cause it's on free TV. And it's not about being a fan but watching what is easier to get. Pro wrestling didn't die when WCW and ECW died and those companies were much larger and more influential than TNA could dream of. I'm sensing some folks want TNA around out of fear of they will be forced to watch only WWE programming. But guess what? You don't have to watch it. Like you can watch and be a fan of MMA and not watch any UFC. It's easier to type on a search engine than click on a channel. I know I can search for Indy wrestling. But if TNA were to ultimately die, I want to be able to follow most of those talents post-TNA and know that they'll be alright. That's the hard part for me. Even WWE alumni don't wrestle a lot of televised matches on the indies, even when they get tons of bookings. That's why people don't talk about them as much as they do <insert hot elite Indy star here>. If TNA folds, the fans will just assume that most of these guys retired from wrestling if they don't end up in WWE or in a high profile Indy like RoH, etc. that "people actually care about" and forget about them, and I don't want to see that happen to the talents either. A guy like Samuel Shaw could hypothetically have a great post-TNA career and put on 5 star matches every night in front of 100 people in the middle of nowhere, and make a full time living doing it, yet no one will know or acknowledge it because access to his work would be so limited. And I think that's sad.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 21, 2014 19:10:22 GMT -5
Pro wrestling didn't die when WCW and ECW died and those companies were much larger and more influential than TNA could dream of. I'm sensing some folks want TNA around out of fear of they will be forced to watch only WWE programming. But guess what? You don't have to watch it. Like you can watch and be a fan of MMA and not watch any UFC. It's easier to type on a search engine than click on a channel. I know I can search for any Indy wrestling I want. But if TNA were to ultimately die, I want to be able to follow most of those talents post-TNA and know that they'll be alright. That's the hard part for me. Even WWE alumni don't wrestle a lot of televised matches on the indies, even when they get tons of bookings. That's why people don't talk about them as much as they do <insert hot elite Indy star here>. If TNA folds, the fans will just assume that most of these guys retired from wrestling if they don't end up in WWE or in a high profile Indy like RoH, etc. that "people actually care about" and forget about them, and I don't want to see that happen to the talents either. A guy like Samuel Shaw could hypothetically have a great post-TNA career and put on 5 star matches every night in front of 100 people in the middle of nowhere, and yet no one will know or acknowledge it because access to his work would be so limited. And I think that's sad. You can follow them on the Net. If you got a decent indy near you, you can watch them in person. If you got some extra money left over, see them on dvd or download. Chris Sabin still wrestles and works indy shows of various sizes. Just because you leave WWE or TNA doesn't mean your career is over with. Some people decide that it's better to move on. Others want to keep the train rolling. Shaw came from the Florida indies and probably will go back there. Hell, a number of former WWE, NXT, and TNA alumni wrestle in Florida. Again the internet is your friend and any company with a camera put matches online. That's how I watch most of the up and coming wrestlers before they hit it big.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 21, 2014 19:21:40 GMT -5
Oh Great Power UTI needs to happen. It needs to happen BAD. Uti vs Super Domino (advertised with a pitcture of Georges St-Pierre) 2 needs to happen
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Aug 21, 2014 19:30:35 GMT -5
Uti vs Super Domino (advertised with a pitcture of Georges St-Pierre) 2 needs to happen Only if Super Festus comes back
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 21, 2014 19:33:03 GMT -5
I know people want to remain optimistic about TNA Surviving and maybe using the time to improve But I've given TNA nearly FIVE YEARS to Improve, and they haven't. 3 Months ain't gonna do shit but delay the inevitable they've built for themselves at this point, And with all the Talent that's leaving it makes it even worse. So honestly, TNA is a wounded animal that just needs to be put down to me. And I know people want more wrestling variety on TV that isn't WWE, but at this point, go online, go Indy, because if TNA is the alternative at this point then there might as well not be one... a few bright spots in a mound of shit isn't an alternative to me, it's something that I probably wouldn't watch regularly if it wasn't for the awesome people here, cause ya'll are awesome and the Threads we make are awesome, I wish we could give Magic knows Black Lives Matter a live mic so he could dub over TNA Commentary Sorry if I'm being really negative but I really just want to see this company go down, I want the workers to find work and provide for themselves and families, but TNA has used Second Chance after Second Chance and they aren't getting any more from me unless they pull the miracle of miracles and none of these fools in Creative and Business for this company are Black Jesus... But what you are saying is ultimately selfish I nevr said it wasn't, TNA has played with my emotions and crushed my expectations so many times I want to dance on their ashes when they ultimately crash, and I do not care.
What I was was solely my opinion, not anyone elses, but for me, it'll be a good day when they die.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 21, 2014 19:39:54 GMT -5
Uti vs Super Domino (advertised with a pitcture of Georges St-Pierre) 2 needs to happen Only if Super Festus comes back Lol poor Gallows he only got paid half and had to pay the flight back home. I wanna see Festus shoot on Uti like he promised to do if they ever meet again.
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