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Post by kevin on Sept 16, 2014 14:00:40 GMT -5
A Vince Russo quote pulled from the article: I don't understand why Russo keeps riding wrestling fans for having their opinions on what they feel does or does not work for a wrestling program (well, part of it is the overwhelming hate Russo gets from them). He used to own a video store and I'm sure he'd see a movie he personally didn't like and thought "this movie sucks", but no one called him a stupid mark for his opinion on a movie full of fictional characters. Hell, most movie and music critics use the star system (in addition to "thumbs up/down", letter grades, etc.). Hell, the idea of rating matches with stars was basically ripped off from film critics! I know he probably did not mean it to come out that way but it comes off like Russo is saying that people who want to see wrestling on a wrestling show are stupid. I did like this quote from Dixie about him. “He’s a lightning rod,” Carter says. “People hate him, but sometimes people love what he does but they don’t realize he does it. He’s a really talented guy.” Learning that Dixie thinks fans love what Russo writes but just have a hatred of him. She is wrong I mean the way people realized that Russo was writing was by watching and saying this is the kind of idiocy Russo would write. Given her apparent obsession of reading internet news she should have realized that.
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Post by bob on Sept 16, 2014 15:14:54 GMT -5
....I liked most of Russo's tenure with WWE and TNA
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 16, 2014 17:23:42 GMT -5
Well Batman is fake but I still like him, Alan Moore never made fun of me for liking a fake comic character, f*** Russo
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 17, 2014 13:05:43 GMT -5
....I liked most of Russo's tenure with WWE and TNA
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 17, 2014 13:06:00 GMT -5
Russo and Carter are both morons. Always have been. Always will be. Neither should be anywhere near the wrestling business.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Sept 17, 2014 13:17:01 GMT -5
A Vince Russo quote pulled from the article: I don't understand why Russo keeps riding wrestling fans for having their opinions on what they feel does or does not work for a wrestling program (well, part of it is the overwhelming hate Russo gets from them). He used to own a video store and I'm sure he'd see a movie he personally didn't like and thought "this movie sucks", but no one called him a stupid mark for his opinion on a movie full of fictional characters. Hell, most movie and music critics use the star system (in addition to "thumbs up/down", letter grades, etc.). Hell, the idea of rating matches with stars was basically ripped off from film critics! It's shit like this that makes me wonder if Russo was a fan of wrestling like he claims he was before he got into the business. It's like I was telling a friend the other day let's say you go see David Copperfield, Lance Burton, Penn and Teller, etc. You know there is no such thing as "magic", but you're willing to suspend disbelief for the magician to tell a story. No one in that audience wants to hear, "IT'S ALL FAKE!" We know, and we want to enjoy the show.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 17, 2014 13:31:41 GMT -5
A Vince Russo quote pulled from the article: I don't understand why Russo keeps riding wrestling fans for having their opinions on what they feel does or does not work for a wrestling program (well, part of it is the overwhelming hate Russo gets from them). He used to own a video store and I'm sure he'd see a movie he personally didn't like and thought "this movie sucks", but no one called him a stupid mark for his opinion on a movie full of fictional characters. Hell, most movie and music critics use the star system (in addition to "thumbs up/down", letter grades, etc.). Hell, the idea of rating matches with stars was basically ripped off from film critics! It's shit like this that makes me wonder if Russo was a fan of wrestling like he claims he was before he got into the business. It's like I was telling a friend the other day let's say you go see David Copperfield, Lance Burton, Penn and Teller, etc. You know there is no such thing as "magic", but you're willing to suspend disbelief for the magician to tell a story. No one in that audience wants to hear, "IT'S ALL FAKE!" We know, and we want to enjoy the show. On his Steve Austin Unleashed podcast episode, Russo claims he was a fan saying that he didn't cared for the matches but loved Captain Lou Albano, then he said "even at that age I knew it was fake."... I'm sorry but no real fan would use that Word over and over again, much less someone that booked, if it wasn't for pro wrestling, Vince Russo would be living in a van down by the river.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Sept 18, 2014 22:11:17 GMT -5
A Vince Russo quote pulled from the article: I don't understand why Russo keeps riding wrestling fans for having their opinions on what they feel does or does not work for a wrestling program (well, part of it is the overwhelming hate Russo gets from them). He used to own a video store and I'm sure he'd see a movie he personally didn't like and thought "this movie sucks", but no one called him a stupid mark for his opinion on a movie full of fictional characters. Hell, most movie and music critics use the star system (in addition to "thumbs up/down", letter grades, etc.). Hell, the idea of rating matches with stars was basically ripped off from film critics! It's shit like this that makes me wonder if Russo was a fan of wrestling like he claims he was before he got into the business. It's like I was telling a friend the other day let's say you go see David Copperfield, Lance Burton, Penn and Teller, etc. You know there is no such thing as "magic", but you're willing to suspend disbelief for the magician to tell a story. No one in that audience wants to hear, "IT'S ALL FAKE!" We know, and we want to enjoy the show. Well, Penn & Teller do like to deconstruct the art/scam of magic as part of their act. But it's a lot more entertaining and far less insulting to our intelligence than Russo's hard on for "shoot" angles and telling us all not to get all hung up on being fed shitty storytelling from a show we watch because "It's all fake!"
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 18, 2014 23:19:31 GMT -5
We're on the final days of tna, and they still use wwe rejects, basically still saying, if you never worked there you don't mean shit.
I don't want to see Ethan Carter on the main event scene, I wouldn't buy it, the guy is ok on his comedy spot, but Derrick f***ing Bateman is not a draw, he never even made the full roster in the wwe, if he was worth something they would've never fired him. I'm sorry but there are main eventers and guys like Trent Baretta, Curt Hawkins, and Ethan Carter, he doesn't look like a star, he doesn't move the needle, by debuting him as Dixie's nephew he has zero cred, hell he's been booked like a bitch only winning by cheating. Chicken shit heels don't turn into bad asses over night. I'm sorry but if the WWE future endeavours you there's a reason, you're not worth it, it's up to you to fight back and return, just hope that nobody in nxt paid attention to tna or read the grantland article where there's a quote from him telling the wwe that he wants to stick it to them.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 19, 2014 13:58:32 GMT -5
We're on the final days of tna, and they still use wwe rejects, basically still saying, if you never worked there you don't mean shit. I don't want to see Ethan Carter on the main event scene, I wouldn't buy it, the guy is ok on his comedy spot, but Derrick f***ing Bateman is not a draw, he never even made the full roster in the wwe, if he was worth something they would've never fired him. I'm sorry but there are main eventers and guys like Trent Baretta, Curt Hawkins, and Ethan Carter, he doesn't look like a star, he doesn't move the needle, by debuting him as Dixie's nephew he has zero cred, hell he's been booked like a bitch only winning by cheating. Chicken shit heels don't turn into bad asses over night. I'm sorry but if the WWE future endeavours you there's a reason, you're not worth it, it's up to you to fight back and return, just hope that nobody in nxt paid attention to tna or read the grantland article where there's a quote from him telling the wwe that he wants to stick it to them. Ethan was barely on WWE television. He's taken the time to develop a new character - it's not like he's coming on TV saying he's better than everyone else because he's a former WWE worker, he's saying he's better than everyone because he's a Carter...and the world needs him. But all jokes aside, of all the WWE alumni that have worked in TNA, I'd argue EC3 is one of the most successful. He's not being booked as a bad ass - he's trying to act "bad ass." There's a difference. Brock Lesnar is a bad ass and is booked like one - Ethan Carter is not.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 19, 2014 14:06:44 GMT -5
I never saw it like that, thank you, you're right, he's acting tough but he's a coward underneath. I just don't see him as a star, hell I don't even saw him as WWE alumni, he never even made an impact in developmental, he was stuck in there for 6 years (Maddox, Ryback, and Fandango also got stuck there but their talents saved them) he got fired and only appeared on the shit internet show, it's up to him to prove his doubters wrong, just hope that the tna stigma doesn't prevent him from returning to the E, when the company closes.
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Post by ayumidah on Sept 20, 2014 2:37:02 GMT -5
I like Ethan but yeah, they should've kept him with Spud. That was fun and enjoyable, and besides if TNA doesn't have a shelf-life past this year, I don't get why they're doing half of the things they are right now... but Dixie seems to think TNA is immortal (...uh oh)...
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Post by Johnny D on Sept 20, 2014 9:21:37 GMT -5
Honestly, I got the WWE's Attitude blu-ray the other day.....that era hasn't aged well at all to me. Sure, we all loved it back in the day but it sure got real tiresome after a time even back then. Car-crash TV was big back then and all people like Russo did was take advantage of it. You really do realise he is not actually talented at all and is inded a hack who got extremly lucky working for both WWF and WCW. Sad state of affairs in TNA now thanks to Dixie's ineptitude.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 9:30:51 GMT -5
Man, say what you will about TNA, but these f***ers refuse to die. That's because they have a very rich oil company behind them which people forget.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 20, 2014 10:07:01 GMT -5
Man, say what you will about TNA, but these f***ers refuse to die. That's because they have a very rich oil company behind them which people forget. 1. As it's been said before, Panda Energy isn't that rich. They've got some funds but this isn't Ted Turner level money. 2. That only matters as long as Panda Energy invests in TNA which may not be much longer if this Spike deal falls through. At that point, it'll be almost impossible to justify backing the money pit that is TNA.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 20, 2014 16:31:05 GMT -5
Man, say what you will about TNA, but these f***ers refuse to die. That's because they have a very rich oil company behind them which people forget. Here's the thing about that: Panda Energy have been making deep cuts to how much money they give to TNA for the past 2 years. Mainly because they aren't seeing a return on their investment with TNA. Janice Carter has been in charge of leading that and been slashing the budget to how it was pre-Panda Energy. All of the big names like Hogan, Sting, Flair, and Styles are gone do to these budget cuts. A number of mid and lower tier veterans got the Budget Cutter. Behind the scenes staff been let go. People within the actual TNA company have been fired like folks who worked the merch warehouse and the production crew. The struggle is real in TNA. Panda Energy isn't going to keep propping up TNA's books forever. Especially if they lose that money from Spike, which they leaned on even more since the cutbacks.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Sept 20, 2014 16:31:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry but if the WWE future endeavours you there's a reason, you're not worth it Ugh. This way of thinking is so stupid.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 20, 2014 16:52:25 GMT -5
I'm sorry but if the WWE future endeavours you there's a reason, you're not worth it Ugh. This way of thinking is so stupid. I respect your opinion, but I think you forgot to include the rest of my comment, unless you fight back to the wwe. Quick question do you think you can raise millions of dollars with this guys? Trent Baretta, Curt Hawkins, Colt Cabana, and Ethan Carter? Just to name a few
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Post by Been burned too many times on Sept 20, 2014 16:57:45 GMT -5
Ugh. This way of thinking is so stupid. I respect your opinion, but I think you forgot to include the rest of my comment, unless you fight back to the wwe. Quick question do you think you can raise millions of dollars with this guys? Trent Baretta, Curt Hawkins, Colt Cabana, and Ethan Carter? Just to name a few Not everyone is meant to be a main eventer. And yes if I had access to them it's possible to use to them to help build a promotion around. Trent and Hawkins as a team, Colt as a babyface mid to upper carder and Ethan as mid to upper card heel. The "You're not worth it" comment was dumb.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 20, 2014 17:06:19 GMT -5
I'm not talking about only main eventing I'm talking about being midcarders also, I believe that Ziggler sells a lot of merchandise, not Cena levels, but still a respectable number. Ziggler gets ratings so does the other midcard to level guys.
With all due respect Hawkins and Baretta never drew a nickel, Colt had 4 tv matches, and Ethan never even debuted on the main shows.
The wwe can fire you for sure, hey f*** it JR got fired 3 times so did Bryan, it's up to you to return and prove them wrong. And if you don't come back, it shows the wwe that they were right about you, that you'll never be relevant in wrestling or draw money.
Forget about the wwe let's take into account tna, they don't want anything to do with the first 3 guys, now Ethan, he can prove me wrong, it's just too bad that the company is crumbling.
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