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Post by Been burned too many times on Sept 20, 2014 17:57:06 GMT -5
And if you don't come back, it shows the wwe that they were right about you, that you'll never be relevant in wrestling or draw money. No it doesn't, it shows that the WWE just doesn't want you. That's it.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 20, 2014 18:31:34 GMT -5
And if you don't come back, it shows the wwe that they were right about you, that you'll never be relevant in wrestling or draw money. No it doesn't, it shows that the WWE just doesn't want you. That's it. I respectfully disagree, wrestling a serious profession, it's not a hobby you can break your neck in every match, you should only sacrifice your body for top dollar, not to risk death on a f***ing high school gym. Your only goal is to make a lot of money before you get hurt, nowadays the only place you can do its in the wwe and to a much lesser extent new japan, other than that it's maximum risk for very low gain. If you fail at the major leagues you should just retire then.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Sept 20, 2014 19:22:17 GMT -5
No it doesn't, it shows that the WWE just doesn't want you. That's it. I respectfully disagree, wrestling a serious profession, it's not a hobby you can break your neck in every match, you should only sacrifice your body for top dollar, not to risk death on a f***ing high school gym. Your only goal is to make a lot of money before you get hurt, nowadays the only place you can do its in the wwe and to a much lesser extent new japan, other than that it's maximum risk for very low gain. If you fail at the major leagues you should just retire then. This mindset is just terrible and its sad that people actually think like this.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 20, 2014 19:46:55 GMT -5
Oh so its ok to confom yourself to make barely anything in the indies then? Not being able to afford insurance if you get hurt, or not having a backup plan if something happens?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 20:38:42 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree, wrestling a serious profession, it's not a hobby you can break your neck in every match, you should only sacrifice your body for top dollar, not to risk death on a f***ing high school gym. Your only goal is to make a lot of money before you get hurt, nowadays the only place you can do its in the wwe and to a much lesser extent new japan, other than that it's maximum risk for very low gain. If you fail at the major leagues you should just retire then. This mindset is just terrible and its sad that people actually think like this. You don't get it, major promotions are never wrong about talent. That Stunning Steve guy never drew a dime in WCW and he just faded away into obscurity after he was fired. Cactus Jack? Yeah, he never put butts in seats. Whatever happened to that American Dragon kid WWE had in development all those years ago?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 20, 2014 21:45:30 GMT -5
You don't get it, major promotions are never wrong about talent. That Stunning Steve guy never drew a dime in WCW and he just faded away into obscurity after he was fired. Cactus Jack? Yeah, he never put butts in seats. Whatever happened to that American Dragon kid WWE had in development all those years ago? You didn't read my former posts, yeah it's ok for you to get fired, but if you don't return to the major leagues, or get fired again, before making an impact, you shouldn't risk your body anymore for pennies. Yeah Austin, Foley, and Bryan proved many people wrong, but if they would've faded into obscurity we wouldn't be talking about them, Mick himself said it, he gave himself 6 years or so to be succesful, if he didn't make serious money he would retire. I hope Ethan Carter proves me wrong I really do, but if TNA dies and WWE won't take him back, he should really consider his situation. Ok major companies can be wrong about talent, and he deserves another chance, but not a third or fourth chance.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 21, 2014 3:21:06 GMT -5
No it doesn't, it shows that the WWE just doesn't want you. That's it. I respectfully disagree, wrestling a serious profession, it's not a hobby you can break your neck in every match, you should only sacrifice your body for top dollar, not to risk death on a f***ing high school gym. Your only goal is to make a lot of money before you get hurt, nowadays the only place you can do its in the wwe and to a much lesser extent new japan, other than that it's maximum risk for very low gain. If you fail at the major leagues you should just retire then. Most of today's WWE stars started out "risking death in a f***ing high school gym." And the general perception is that those wrestlers are flat out better workers than the ones who didn't. There are quite a few guys stIll employed by WWE who WISH they could be putting their lives on the line but just flat out aren't allowed to.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 21, 2014 10:11:36 GMT -5
Yeah most started paying their dues, but now that they reached the wwe they wouldn't to back to those places. Mick Foley said that he would do any bump and dangerous spot for 10 people just to get noticed, same as Punk breaking his f***ing skull. But once you reach the top, going back to wrestle in an armory is just not happening, unless you're broke wooooooo!.
Yeah most guys currently employed would risk their lives just get a push, but the difference is that if get injured in a wwe ring they take care of everything, f*** even if it happens outside Evan Bourne was kept on the payroll for 2 years without doing anything after his car accident. Now if you get hurt in the highschool gym ring, you're f*** and on your own.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Sept 22, 2014 11:20:00 GMT -5
Yeah most started paying their dues, but now that they reached the wwe they wouldn't to back to those places. Mick Foley said that he would do any bump and dangerous spot for 10 people just to get noticed, same as Punk breaking his f***ing skull. But once you reach the top, going back to wrestle in an armory is just not happening, unless you're broke wooooooo!. Yeah most guys currently employed would risk their lives just get a push, but the difference is that if get injured in a wwe ring they take care of everything, f*** even if it happens outside Evan Bourne was kept on the payroll for 2 years without doing anything after his car accident. Now if you get hurt in the highschool gym ring, you're f*** and on your own. You're talking like anything not named WWE is a high school gym.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 22, 2014 11:27:54 GMT -5
Yeah most started paying their dues, but now that they reached the wwe they wouldn't to back to those places. Mick Foley said that he would do any bump and dangerous spot for 10 people just to get noticed, same as Punk breaking his f***ing skull. But once you reach the top, going back to wrestle in an armory is just not happening, unless you're broke wooooooo!. Yeah most guys currently employed would risk their lives just get a push, but the difference is that if get injured in a wwe ring they take care of everything, f*** even if it happens outside Evan Bourne was kept on the payroll for 2 years without doing anything after his car accident. Now if you get hurt in the highschool gym ring, you're f*** and on your own. You're talking like anything not named WWE is a high school gym. On other posts I mentioned New Japan also, ok TNA too if they stay in business. Maybe ROH because they're still on tv, but I'm sorry, I can't give the other indies a pass. But you're right I may have generalized and it was wrong, I'm sorry.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 22, 2014 11:37:11 GMT -5
I think it's also ignoring the point that a 'high school gym' doesn't imply obscurity in the same way that it used to. I have seen EC3 wrestle in a high school gym, but beyond the audience that was in the room, there was also a significant audience watching through iPPV, to say nothing of DVDs and Video On Demand services. It's not like the days when a show would only ever be seen by the people that could fit into the room.
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Post by ededdneddy on Sept 24, 2014 8:47:57 GMT -5
Its the companys job to want to push you and put any kind of investment into you. Like all this talk about Beretta and others not drawing a dime.....how the hell can you when the company has never put out not just merchandise but "have something for you" cause if they never have the gull to put you on a ppv or tv taping card then yes you will never make it. Seriously when we see the same people every week and they don't bother to put you on tv its more creatives fault as to why you aren't getting exposed.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 24, 2014 13:57:22 GMT -5
Its the companys job to want to push you and put any kind of investment into you. Like all this talk about Beretta and others not drawing a dime.....how the hell can you when the company has never put out not just merchandise but "have something for you" cause if they never have the gull to put you on a ppv or tv taping card then yes you will never make it. Seriously when we see the same people every week and they don't bother to put you on tv its more creatives fault as to why you aren't getting exposed. I agree with some of your points, I'll agree that creative f***s up of course, but mostly everybody is given an opportunity, then it's up to them. Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins were signed the same day, they were generic as f***, then it was up to them to come up with ideas. For a brief time Ryder was a superstar and sold merch, meanwhile Hawkins got stuck in FCW and didn't do anything for years. It wasn't the company's fault, both were given the exact same opportunity. Cody Rhodes and Ted Jr also. Yeah it's creative's fault, but understand that everyone is given only one shot at making a good impression.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 24, 2014 14:22:14 GMT -5
Its the companys job to want to push you and put any kind of investment into you. Like all this talk about Beretta and others not drawing a dime.....how the hell can you when the company has never put out not just merchandise but "have something for you" cause if they never have the gull to put you on a ppv or tv taping card then yes you will never make it. Seriously when we see the same people every week and they don't bother to put you on tv its more creatives fault as to why you aren't getting exposed. I agree with some of your points, I'll agree that creative f***s up of course, but mostly everybody is given an opportunity, then it's up to them. Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins were signed the same day, they were generic as f***, then it was up to them to come up with ideas. For a brief time Ryder was a superstar and sold merch, meanwhile Hawkins got stuck in FCW and didn't do anything for years. It wasn't the company's fault, both were given the exact same opportunity. Cody Rhodes and Ted Jr also. Yeah it's creative's fault, but understand that everyone is given only one shot at making a good impression. I love Ryder to death, but to be fair, WWE took the time to repackage Ryder into the guido gimmick long before Ryder ever thought of his webshow. They put him on ECW and when that folded they put him on RAW made him a tag along for guys like Edge, Miz, Ted, and Regal; Ryder was the go to butt monkey comedy heel jobber in 2010 and early 2011, basically what Heath Slater is now. Ted Jr. DID take the same steps that Ryder did. He just was unfortunate enough to get injured when the brand split was ending and getting edged out when (the then) established main eventers from both shows started eating up all the TV time. You're only as useful as the company allows you to be.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 24, 2014 14:36:48 GMT -5
I agree with some of your points, I'll agree that creative f***s up of course, but mostly everybody is given an opportunity, then it's up to them. Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins were signed the same day, they were generic as f***, then it was up to them to come up with ideas. For a brief time Ryder was a superstar and sold merch, meanwhile Hawkins got stuck in FCW and didn't do anything for years. It wasn't the company's fault, both were given the exact same opportunity. Cody Rhodes and Ted Jr also. Yeah it's creative's fault, but understand that everyone is given only one shot at making a good impression. I love Ryder to death, but to be fair, WWE took the time to repackage Ryder into the guido gimmick long before Ryder ever thought of his webshow. They put him on ECW and when that folded they put him on RAW made him a tag along for guys like Edge, Miz, Ted, and Regal; Ryder was the go to butt monkey comedy heel jobber in 2010 and early 2011, basically what Heath Slater is now. Ted Jr. DID take the same steps that Ryder did. He just was unfortunate enough to get injured when the brand split was ending and getting edged out when (the then) established main eventers from both shows started eating up all the TV time. You're only as useful as the company allows you to be.Yeah, but at least Ryder came up with something, f*** he was even buried by Alicia Fox, all I'm saying is that the Major Brothers were given the same opportunity when the Edgeheads broke up. When Legacy broke up, Cody was given the stupid Dashing gimmick, the best thing was getting his face hurt by Mysterio, Ted Jr did nothing with Maryse. Yeah you're only as succesful as the machine lets you, but before that every single wrestler is given the exact same opportunity to impress them.
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Post by Steveweiser on Sept 24, 2014 15:11:24 GMT -5
So some rumours are floating about that TNA have reached a deal with WGN America. Looking for something more concrete on this.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 24, 2014 15:18:12 GMT -5
So some rumours are floating about that TNA have reached a deal with WGN America. Looking for something more concrete on this. Aren't they part of Viacom though? How much numbers did WWE superstars pulled?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 15:55:27 GMT -5
I'm sure if that's true, there are a lot of people at TNA doing Santino's trombone thing over them getting on a network that turned down keeping a WWE show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 16:19:44 GMT -5
I'm sure if that's true, there are a lot of people at TNA doing Santino's trombone thing over them getting on a network that turned down keeping a WWE show. Yeah, but the TNA deal is likely 5 cents on the dollar compared to WWE Superstars.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 24, 2014 17:01:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't throw a parade just yet if I'm TNA. WGN America is quick to cancel a show if they don't meet the requirements of the contract. TNA's current 0.8-0.9 won't be good enough to avoid cancellation. Especially knowing that TNA loves to under deliver on promises. Plus I don't see how TNA fits into WGN America's new current format of cops shows and pay cable lite programming like Manhattan.
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