Chip
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Post by Chip on Jul 30, 2014 17:07:55 GMT -5
Probably going to be mostly corporate figures, not really expecting this to greatly effect the performers.
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543Y2J
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Post by 543Y2J on Jul 30, 2014 17:11:54 GMT -5
Just fire ADR. You still won't get all of the money you wasted pushing him so hard (when he is not a main event level talent from my view) but at least it would a good chunk of the 10%.... Super tacky to want someone to get released just because you don't like them. For shame, 543Y2J. Anyways, I know Kane has been a loyal soldier all these years. Let's let him be that loyal soldier one more time and have him retire for the greater good of everyone. I really didn't mean any offense to the man himself, I just don't think he fits in WWE anymore at all. I have never been a fan of him I can admit, but now more than ever I just think it is best for both parties to call it a day. I do feel however a fresh start would do him great, a return to Mexico or working in Japan, where he would probably earn just as much either way. I am not saying for him to be banished from the industry as a whole forever, more so I think it would be best for him to have a fresh start somewhere else. Sorry I didn't really make that at all clear in the first post that I meant that, and I would never wish for another person to go through unemployment (as I have been through it myself) no matter how much I like/dislike the way they do their job.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 17:13:41 GMT -5
Super tacky to want someone to get released just because you don't like them. For shame, 543Y2J. Anyways, I know Kane has been a loyal soldier all these years. Let's let him be that loyal soldier one more time and have him retire for the greater good of everyone. I really didn't mean any offense to the man himself, I just don't think he fits in WWE anymore at all. I have never been a fan of him I can admit, but now more than ever I just think it is best for both parties to call it a day. I do feel however a fresh start would do him great, a return to Mexico or working in Japan, where he would probably earn just as much either way. I am not saying for him to be banished from the industry as a whole forever, more so I think it would be best for him to have a fresh start somewhere else. Sorry I didn't really make that at all clear in the first post that I meant that, and I would never wish for another person to go through unemployment (as I have been through it myself) no matter how much I like/dislike the way they do their job. Haha I did the same thing with Kane, that was the joke. It's all good!
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Post by 543Y2J on Jul 30, 2014 17:15:18 GMT -5
I really didn't mean any offense to the man himself, I just don't think he fits in WWE anymore at all. I have never been a fan of him I can admit, but now more than ever I just think it is best for both parties to call it a day. I do feel however a fresh start would do him great, a return to Mexico or working in Japan, where he would probably earn just as much either way. I am not saying for him to be banished from the industry as a whole forever, more so I think it would be best for him to have a fresh start somewhere else. Sorry I didn't really make that at all clear in the first post that I meant that, and I would never wish for another person to go through unemployment (as I have been through it myself) no matter how much I like/dislike the way they do their job. Haha I did the same thing with Kane, that was the joke. It's all good! Oh... well that went straight over my head lol Hey leave my Kane alone!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 17:22:39 GMT -5
Haha I did the same thing with Kane, that was the joke. It's all good! Oh... well that went straight over my head lol Hey leave my Kane alone! Only if he re-unites with Daniel Bryan and Dr. Shelby. Bryan's going to be pretty bummed about his surgeries and everything, a few sessions with Team Friendship could help pull him out of the dumps.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 30, 2014 17:22:58 GMT -5
Guess some will be happy getting their bloodlust satisfied if WWE does a big release. I'm going to laugh if it be like how years ago when rumors of a mass release was going to happen, only Trent Barreta got fired and it was for an unrelated reason.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jul 30, 2014 17:24:00 GMT -5
Emma gets released 2 electric boogaloo.
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Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 30, 2014 17:29:46 GMT -5
Keeping my fingers crossed for a friend of mine, who is a senior production assistant. I can't help but wonder if WWE has ever considered something like scaling back the number of house show dates they do as a way of cutting production costs, or scaling RAW from three hours back to two.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 30, 2014 17:52:48 GMT -5
Keeping my fingers crossed for a friend of mine, who is a senior production assistant. I can't help but wonder if WWE has ever considered something like scaling back the number of house show dates they do as a way of cutting production costs, or scaling RAW from three hours back to two. Neither of those would make much of a difference. The house shows would have to be on the b side of things and even then I doubt they're losing money on them. As for RAW, that 3rd hour brings in a lot of money for for them so cutting that would only compound the issues they're having now.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 30, 2014 17:54:52 GMT -5
Gotta love getting laid off because your bosses are f***ing incompetent. This. The upper echelon of management should have their salaries axed in half, and all performance bonuses indefinitely suspended. It'll never happen, of course, but those directly responsible at the top of the pyramid should always suffer first.
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Post by Ron Woodsman aka Shempaholic on Jul 30, 2014 17:56:28 GMT -5
Kevin Dunn's been there so long he probably makes a ton of money. I'm sure there's someone else that could do Dunn's job as good or better for less dough.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 30, 2014 17:58:19 GMT -5
Cutting or reducing house shows wouldn't work - those things (in relative scale compared to televised shows) are almost pure profit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 20:58:01 GMT -5
We know that they are Hollywood wannabes because people have actually posted WWE job listings online that state that the company wants that type of experience. It has also been revealed in shoot interviews of wrestlers. And yes, some of those Hollywood writers are fans of the product, but that is not the same as being a Booker that came up in the wrestling business and understands how it works internally. Also, if they are laid off these people can get normal jobs like the rest of us. Nothing entitles them to make a lot of money working in entertainment. Just because that's who they're looking for, doesn't mean it's always what they get. I would think that anyone who was oblivious to what WWE is, wouldn't want to work there. I would assume that many of the people who have talent in writing in other areas, are also fans. Booking and writing are entirely different things. Vince wants complete power over his talent, and the only way he can do that is to have them follow the steps he puts in place, specifically writing the feuds and promos for them. If you have just one or two bookers, you're just creating more work for them. It's obvious that the shows that are usually the most entertaining, are the ones that Vince pays the least attention to. And that last comment is quite conceded. Yeah, these people who are doing what they want to do and went to school should all suck it up and get "real" jobs like the rest of us. How is my comment conceded? I myself have an education and job skills that are not being used. I have had to go from being middle class to being essentially white trash due to the recession. Instead of crying about it I got a blue collar job, moved out of my house and into a small apartment, and continued doing what I had to do to survive. I don't expect anything out of anybody that I don't expect out of myself.
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 30, 2014 21:00:05 GMT -5
Just fire ADR. You still won't get all of the money you wasted pushing him so hard (when he is not a main event level talent from my view) but at least it would a good chunk of the 10%.... Super tacky to want someone to get released just because you don't like them. For shame, 543Y2J. Anyways, I know Kane has been a loyal soldier all these years. Let's let him be that loyal soldier one more time and have him retire for the greater good of everyone. Del Rio is a justifiable layoff, though. He costs them money, but makes them none in return. He's quite honestly one of the worst investments they've made in a decade.
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mizerable
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Post by mizerable on Jul 30, 2014 21:04:44 GMT -5
Just because that's who they're looking for, doesn't mean it's always what they get. I would think that anyone who was oblivious to what WWE is, wouldn't want to work there. I would assume that many of the people who have talent in writing in other areas, are also fans. Booking and writing are entirely different things. Vince wants complete power over his talent, and the only way he can do that is to have them follow the steps he puts in place, specifically writing the feuds and promos for them. If you have just one or two bookers, you're just creating more work for them. It's obvious that the shows that are usually the most entertaining, are the ones that Vince pays the least attention to. And that last comment is quite conceded. Yeah, these people who are doing what they want to do and went to school should all suck it up and get "real" jobs like the rest of us. How is my comment conceded? I myself have an education and job skills that are not being used. I have had to go from being middle class to being essentially white trash due to the recession. Instead of crying about it I got a blue collar job, moved out of my house and into a small apartment, and continued doing what I had to do to survive. I don't expect anything out of anybody that I don't expect out of myself. Yes, but you shouldn't hold others to the same standard just because your skills aren't being used. If they have the opportunity to do what they've strived to do with their lives, let them. No need to hold a grudge against these nameless, faceless people that you've never met or know anything about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 21:14:25 GMT -5
How is my comment conceded? I myself have an education and job skills that are not being used. I have had to go from being middle class to being essentially white trash due to the recession. Instead of crying about it I got a blue collar job, moved out of my house and into a small apartment, and continued doing what I had to do to survive. I don't expect anything out of anybody that I don't expect out of myself. Yes, but you shouldn't hold others to the same standard just because your skills aren't being used. If they have the opportunity to do what they've strived to do with their lives, let them. No need to hold a grudge against these nameless, faceless people that you've never met or know anything about. Where in any of my posts did I hold a grudge or show ill will towards them? All I said was that two bookers that came up in the wrestling biz could probably do the job of ten writers to save money. And I mostly meant it as a smartass comment. You must be one of those writers, because it really has your panties in a bunch.
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mizerable
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You're the lowest on the totem pole here, Alva. The lowest.
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Post by mizerable on Jul 30, 2014 21:17:12 GMT -5
Dude, you said that they can now get a normal job like the rest of us. That clearly shows some sort of animosity regarding what they do.
No, I'm no writer, but it's clear the writers aren't the issue for one, and secondly I don't wish for anyone to lose their job simply because "I" want something different.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Jul 30, 2014 21:47:17 GMT -5
Retire Vince & Fire Dunn and all problems will be solved I'm being semi sarcastic there I get the sarcasm (I've called for both seriously relatively recently), but neither of those moves are guaranteed to do anything. The problem the WWE has right now is there's nothing keeping people invested in the product. It's more than just Vince and Dunn. I'm not convinced HHH and Steph are even the right people to take over for Vince in the big boy chair either. Dunn being replaced in the director's chair IMO is an immediate major change. It would open the door for a new vision hopefully. His direction is so formulaic and that may also be Vince's fault too. Vince retiring is a much bigger move for obvious reasons, and even then he may still stick his nose into the works. Moving to HHH/Steph could be lateral more than progression. As for this news, its terrible, but WWE made their own bed. To reply to another comment on this thread that I have not quoted, I would be shocked if this didn't trickle down to the performers. My guess is they've started already by asking anyone if they wanted out of their contracts first, and Ricardo seems to have taken them up on that. I don't think it will be like it was a few months ago when they had an old-school cleaning, but some performers will be gone with any mass sweeping they're doing b/c of the network #s. I also don't think this means doom for the network. Traditional cable networks are notoriously hard to get off the ground/successful right away. It takes 2 or 3 years for those to really start seeing profit b/c they're a new entity. If WWE sticks with the network and evolve it, it will be a success eventually. It's going to take time, but it can be a success if they stick with it.
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Post by kevin on Jul 30, 2014 22:00:39 GMT -5
I do not believe this story for a second.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Jul 30, 2014 22:01:33 GMT -5
I guess now's the time if you're a wrestler who isn't happy and wants to request a release. I'd say if you're not in a main story and you'd be happier elsewhere, being as they wouldn't have to pay you since it'd be your request, they'd happily grant it. I hate to see people lose jobs, I really do. I think, though, that the WWE needs to go through this in a way. I think it's going to take a LOT more than this to make WWE ever go under and eventually the Network will turn them a profit, but perhaps getting down to bare bones, re-evaluating, and being a lot less complacent with their booking. Also, sell some ads on The Network for a quick turnaround. I don't want them to go overboard, mind you, but Hulu Plus-level of ads would be tolerable knowing what it's going for.
However I wouldn't be surprised to see them blame their financial woes on signing a bunch of indie darlings and releasing them all, while reverting their developmental back to the old clone machine.
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