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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 2:24:32 GMT -5
Police in riot gear came back into Ferguson and threw tear gas into the crowd which had been peacefully protesting all day.
They then pulled back and looters started breaking into a few establishments.
After a few minutes protesters intervened and stopped the looters. The protesters eventually stood guard in front of the stores that were looted to protect them. the PD remained away from the scene.
Interviews on Vice's Ustream indicated that the looters weren't part of the protest but people from out of down looking to cause trouble. They called them "opportunists" who hurt what the protesters are trying to do.
There was a funny moment where one of the protesters protecting a store handed his cell phone to a British news correspondent and said "its my mom, tell her I'm not out here looting and that I'm safe."
The British correspondent relayed that info and said that her son is safe and protecting the store from being robbed.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Aug 16, 2014 10:24:14 GMT -5
Police in riot gear came back into Ferguson and threw tear gas into the crowd which had been peacefully protesting all day. They then pulled back and looters started breaking into a few establishments. After a few minutes protesters intervened and stopped the looters. The protesters eventually stood guard in front of the stores that were looted to protect them. the PD remained away from the scene. Interviews on Vice's Ustream indicated that the looters weren't part of the protest but people from out of down looking to cause trouble. They called them "opportunists" who hurt what the protesters are trying to do. There was a funny moment where one of the protesters protecting a store handed his cell phone to a British news correspondent and said "its my mom, tell her I'm not out here looting and that I'm safe." The British correspondent relayed that info and said that her son is safe and protecting the store from being robbed. The Sunday deal was the same that it was from people out of town and not living in the area who is taking this event as an excuse to do this. It's really a shame and embarrassing to human life that they do this. The family of this teen name will be more linked to these kinds of action and not what it should have been. This City will never be the same again because some self center people lost class people wanted to come in and take advantage of a situation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2014 11:25:58 GMT -5
Police in riot gear came back into Ferguson and threw tear gas into the crowd which had been peacefully protesting all day.
They then pulled back and looters started breaking into a few establishments.
After a few minutes protesters intervened and stopped the looters. The protesters eventually stood guard in front of the stores that were looted to protect them. the PD remained away from the scene.
I want y'all to read these points closely. There's a lot of messages wrapped up in just these sentences. People really need to comprehend this.
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Post by hassanchop on Aug 17, 2014 4:29:28 GMT -5
Well, with this looking like a "race thing", and real there goes the New Nation storyline down the drain.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 17, 2014 7:33:14 GMT -5
Well, with this looking like a "race thing", and real there goes the New Nation storyline down the drain. I think it's an even better reason for WWE to do it. I never understand why WWE has to shy away from exploring or even exploiting current events. Loads of other fictional works do it, and rarely if ever get criticised for it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 8:08:12 GMT -5
I just want to add that I really hate that police departments are armed better than many small nations. There's no need for them to essentially be a paramilitary force.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 13:28:50 GMT -5
I just want to add that I really hate that police departments are armed better than many small nations. There's no need for them to essentially be a paramilitary force. There is if they want to craft a defense on how Officer Friendly went to work every day in a place that was just a powder keg and feared for his life, so killing the kid was a totally reasonable reaction. See how the animals people are looting? See how they have to walk around in full body armor? See how they have to use tanks and a curfew? And since apparently they're trying to get media blackouts going.... It's all about weaving a believable narrative for the eventual defense they'll have to use. Man, something just occurred to me. Where is Wacklemore setting the intertubes on fire with his opinion? Iggy Azalea ain't got nothing to say about this shit? Miley? They can talk shit about hip-hop and swagger-jack from black people all day but when black people are out here getting their heads bust and lives ruined behind this nonsense... How surprising is it none of 'em got shit to say?
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 17, 2014 13:35:49 GMT -5
People need to take a close look at the 1033 program. A project to transfer military hardware to civilian police forces. As I said earlier, the problem is the militarisation of the police. It makes them more aggressive and reckless, as they lack the training of real soldiers, and a military mindset is incompatible with policing, since the latter relies on community relations and trust, rather than "missions" to destroy "enemies" which I believe is occurring in police forces.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Aug 17, 2014 14:04:32 GMT -5
One of the very positives to come out of this week is the government has seen just what a HORRIBLE idea the 1033 program is and are allegedly swiftly working to end its practice and revoke what was already distributed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 14:51:06 GMT -5
I just want to add that I really hate that police departments are armed better than many small nations. There's no need for them to essentially be a paramilitary force. There is if they want to craft a defense on how Officer Friendly went to work every day in a place that was just a powder keg and feared for his life, so killing the kid was a totally reasonable reaction. See how the animals people are looting? See how they have to walk around in full body armor? See how they have to use tanks and a curfew? And since apparently they're trying to get media blackouts going.... It's all about weaving a believable narrative for the eventual defense they'll have to use. Man, something just occurred to me. Where is Wacklemore setting the intertubes on fire with his opinion? Iggy Azalea ain't got nothing to say about this shit? Miley? They can talk shit about hip-hop and swagger-jack from black people all day but when black people are out here getting their heads bust and lives ruined behind this nonsense... How surprising is it none of 'em got shit to say? Who gives a shit what a rapper has to say about this? The last thing this situation needs is some hiphop or pop star trying to co-op this thing to help them sell more records.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 17, 2014 14:51:35 GMT -5
What really astounds me is how this insanity was needed to clearly illustrate to people and civic leaders that police work better when they come from and can actually relate to the neighborhood they've sworn to protect.
Not getting partisan here at all, but the sad truth is that being "tough on crime" gets people elected, and many civic leaders will arm their police forces to the teeth and quietly permit extreme measures to be taken to keep that image up.
We need a culture-wide reassessment of how we view criminal activity of almost any kind. Obviously there are legitimately dangerous people out there, but they're so few and far between that it doesn't justify us (again, as a culture, not as individuals) jumping in fear at our own shadows and feeling like we have to lock up half the population to feel safe.
From a historian's perspective, the sad truth is that it'll be tough to solve a lot of these issues until we address that America is still, to a shocking degree, a very racially segregated nation.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 17, 2014 14:58:09 GMT -5
There is if they want to craft a defense on how Officer Friendly went to work every day in a place that was just a powder keg and feared for his life, so killing the kid was a totally reasonable reaction. See how the animals people are looting? See how they have to walk around in full body armor? See how they have to use tanks and a curfew? And since apparently they're trying to get media blackouts going.... It's all about weaving a believable narrative for the eventual defense they'll have to use. Man, something just occurred to me. Where is Wacklemore setting the intertubes on fire with his opinion? Iggy Azalea ain't got nothing to say about this shit? Miley? They can talk shit about hip-hop and swagger-jack from black people all day but when black people are out here getting their heads bust and lives ruined behind this nonsense... How surprising is it none of 'em got shit to say? Who gives a shit what a rapper has to say about this? The last thing this situation needs is some hiphop or pop star trying to co-op this thing to help them sell more records. I think the point he's making is how hypocritcal it is for people like Iggy to essentially base her whole persona off of southern black girls yet when something major happens in the black community, they don't say a peep. It's the definition of using a culture you don't give a shit about for your own monetary gain. More likely than not, Iggy wouldn't have anything useful to add which is the issue. She wants to pretend like she's part of the culture when she clearly isn't and stuff like this just highlights it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 15:03:19 GMT -5
Who gives a shit what a rapper has to say about this? The last thing this situation needs is some hiphop or pop star trying to co-op this thing to help them sell more records. I think the point he's making is how hypocritcal it is for people like Iggy to essentially base her whole persona off of southern black girls yet when something major happens in the black community, they don't say a peep. It's the definition of using a culture you don't give a shit about for your own monetary gain. More likely than not, Iggy wouldn't have anything useful to add which is the issue. She wants to pretend like she's part of the culture when she clearly isn't and stuff like this just highlights it. I guess. They're just f***ing musicians though, not pillars of the community. I do think even if they did comment they'd be met more eye rolls and rightfully so, but still.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 15:41:55 GMT -5
Who gives a shit what a rapper has to say about this? The last thing this situation needs is some hiphop or pop star trying to co-op this thing to help them sell more records. Nah man, not just "a rapper." I name-dropped those people for a reason. Don't-Come-Backlemore and his shitty culture-vulture ilk should be wished into the cornfield for this specific reason: Black culture is cool enough for everyone else to make money off of, all the while they turn around and talk shit about where it comes from to all this mainstream praise but the moment real shit goes down that costs black lives they don't have shit to say or do, nor does anything seem expected of them... What do you think is being referenced when someone says a clown like Miley Cyrus wants "everything but the burden?" Black culture is cool. Black people are not, so they don't get any real backlash for not saying anything when horrible shit befalls the people who create the culture they make so much money and fame from. And I would think if these clownshoes were really about Rap, Hip-Hop and various other parts of black culture outside the parts of it they can whitewash and profit from they actually might have something insightful to say and deal with the backlash that would come from being about something. But here I go expecting too much from people, so that's why I'm just like "**** 'em ." And that's my tangent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 16:56:41 GMT -5
Who gives a shit what a rapper has to say about this? The last thing this situation needs is some hiphop or pop star trying to co-op this thing to help them sell more records. Nah man, not just "a rapper." I name-dropped those people for a reason. Don't-Come-Backlemore and his shitty culture-vulture ilk should be wished into the cornfield for this specific reason: Black culture is cool enough for everyone else to make money off of, all the while they turn around and talk shit about where it comes from to all this mainstream praise but the moment real shit goes down that costs black lives they don't have shit to say or do, nor does anything seem expected of them... What do you think is being referenced when someone says a clown like Miley Cyrus wants "everything but the burden?" Black culture is cool. Black people are not, so they don't get any real backlash for not saying anything when horrible shit befalls the people who create the culture they make so much money and fame from. And I would think if these clownshoes were really about Rap, Hip-Hop and various other parts of black culture outside the parts of it they can whitewash and profit from they actually might have something insightful to say and deal with the backlash that would come from being about something. But here I go expecting too much from people, so that's why I'm just like "**** 'em ." And that's my tangent. I honestly don't care about any rappers/actors/etc opinions on this matter. They're just entertainers/musicians. It always drives me crazy when people get all upset about what actors or whatever say about politics - they're just entertainers, not role models. I know what you're saying, but I just think people put too much emphasis on what celebs do/say/think about stuff like that. I mean, if they like beat women or something that's different obviously.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 17, 2014 17:02:36 GMT -5
I also don't see why being a popular musician or entertainer excludes you from being allowed to have or share an informed opinion on the subject. Like John Legend.
Nevermind that a lot of the great rap from the early-mid 90's was exactly about how rough life is in poor, black neighborhoods.
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Post by Arrow on Aug 17, 2014 17:04:07 GMT -5
I just want to add that I really hate that police departments are armed better than many small nations. There's no need for them to essentially be a paramilitary force. I really hate that too, and I hope I'm not touching on a dangerous subject if I say I'm beginning to think that stuff like this is pointing to a very ominous future for this country if someone doesn't quickly learn a lesson here.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 17, 2014 17:08:55 GMT -5
I just want to add that I really hate that police departments are armed better than many small nations. There's no need for them to essentially be a paramilitary force. I really hate that too, and I hope I'm not touching on a dangerous subject if I say I'm beginning to think that stuff like this is pointing to a very ominous future for this country if someone doesn't quickly learn a lesson here. I wouldn't say it's much of a reflection of a possible future; for most of Americans, we'll never see something like this. What's unfortunate, however, is that it's a way too common sight in areas of America that are predominantly African-American; again, we're still a ridiculously segregated country to this day, and for a lot of people this is an introduction to what must feel like a completely different planet from what they know, but has sadly existed for awhile now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 17:14:52 GMT -5
I also don't see why being a popular musician or entertainer excludes you from being allowed to have or share an informed opinion on the subject. Like John Legend. Nevermind that a lot of the great rap from the early-mid 90's was exactly about how rough life is in poor, black neighborhoods. Never said they couldn't have an opinion, just that people shouldn't really care if they do or act like its a big deal. They're just entertainers, their opinion should only be as valued as anyone else's - no more/no less.
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Post by Arrow on Aug 17, 2014 17:48:50 GMT -5
What's unfortunate, however, is that it's a way too common sight in areas of America that are predominantly African-American; again, we're still a ridiculously segregated country to this day, and for a lot of people this is an introduction to what must feel like a completely different planet from what they know, but has sadly existed for awhile now. I agree, and for whatever it’s worth: I’ve seen an interesting argument made that the U.S. - at the very least, a significant part of it - has only been truly introduced to democracy (the person compared it to ex-Warsaw Pact states) and the modern age very recently. It took until the latter half of the 20th century before the idea that all men and women are equal could actually be accepted in any significant sense, and certain people (a lot of them in significant positions of power) have continued to fight against that idea today, anyway, with a lot more success than they really should have. I do agree with that argument, and I think incidents like this are a result of that. As for my original post, it was more about the police and other trends in general than this particular incident, so I don’t think it’s worth expanding on.
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