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Post by doinkmark on Aug 18, 2014 11:56:20 GMT -5
Social Media Guy doesn't receive disciplinary action for making a racist remark, but the guy he made it against gets fired for reacting? Yeah, if I were Del Rio, I'd consider that pretty racist. I'm not saying Del Rio didn't deserve punishment for hitting a corporate big wig - he had to know that would carry a consequence - but to not even have the other guy involved suspended or something?
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Post by Juice on Aug 18, 2014 12:08:11 GMT -5
The following is just my opinion.
Del Rio came in and was given the world. A giant sustained push at the top and in the world and wwe title picture. He dethroned CM Punk in 2011 when no one should have. He was made a big deal fairly quick because he is of Mexican heritage. That's reverse racism. Years later the WWE finally realize there's no place for him in the main event, but still protect him as an upper mid carder and main event contender.
Del Rio got butthurt because the show didn't revolve around him and took an opportunity to get out of there without breaching the contract or so he thought.
Before I am attacked, cause I know it's coming. I am not condoning racism. If the stories are true I would have slapped the guy too if it were me. But putting someone in their place after comment didn't need to be taken as far as Del Rio did. It was a comment made with words that wasn't even directly toward him. It's not like he pulled a JBL and waited at the border to kick Mexicans back to Mexico. He made a dumbass comment indirectly.
Del Rio is coming off as a self absorbed mark for himself. Who was being a baby about not being in the main event anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 12:14:18 GMT -5
"Losing the right to abuse the status of independent contractors was like 9/11." "Which was like when my father was on trial"
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 18, 2014 12:29:34 GMT -5
The following is just my opinion. Del Rio came in and was given the world. A giant sustained push at the top and in the world and wwe title picture. He dethroned CM Punk in 2011 when no one should have. He was made a big deal fairly quick because he is of Mexican heritage. That's reverse racism. Years later the WWE finally realize there's no place for him in the main event, but still protect him as an upper mid carder and main event contender. Del Rio got butthurt because the show didn't revolve around him and took an opportunity to get out of there without breaching the contract or so he thought. Before I am attacked, cause I know it's coming. I am not condoning racism. If the stories are true I would have slapped the guy too if it were me. But putting someone in their place after comment didn't need to be taken as far as Del Rio did. It was a comment made with words that wasn't even directly toward him. It's not like he pulled a JBL and waited at the border to kick Mexicans back to Mexico. He made a dumbass comment indirectly. Del Rio is coming off as a self absorbed mark for himself. Who was being a baby about not being in the main event anymore. According to the an interview Alberto did, it was actually the second time the employee disrespected him, Alberto has been out of the main event picture for years and has been a professional, always doing what was told him too do, never bitching or moaning or going like Ryder and tweeting about it. The joke was directed at Del Rio, the guy said "tell Del Rio to wash the dishes". He then got slapped, according to Meltzer, Dr David Schultz-John Stossel slap where the guy hit the ground.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2014 12:31:33 GMT -5
Eh, if a dude is making racist remarks, that doesn't have a whole helluva lot to do with his push.
You can't hit people, his firing was justified. Bullshit of trying to restructure his deal post firing though? Hope he nails em for that.
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Post by Supercheese on Aug 18, 2014 12:31:45 GMT -5
The following is just my opinion. Del Rio came in and was given the world. A giant sustained push at the top and in the world and wwe title picture. He dethroned CM Punk in 2011 when no one should have. He was made a big deal fairly quick because he is of Mexican heritage. That's reverse racism. Years later the WWE finally realize there's no place for him in the main event, but still protect him as an upper mid carder and main event contender. Del Rio got butthurt because the show didn't revolve around him and took an opportunity to get out of there without breaching the contract or so he thought. Before I am attacked, cause I know it's coming. I am not condoning racism. If the stories are true I would have slapped the guy too if it were me. But putting someone in their place after comment didn't need to be taken as far as Del Rio did. It was a comment made with words that wasn't even directly toward him. It's not like he pulled a JBL and waited at the border to kick Mexicans back to Mexico. He made a dumbass comment indirectly. Del Rio is coming off as a self absorbed mark for himself. Who was being a baby about not being in the main event anymore. Or he reacted to a racial remark. Don't try and defend the indefensible or hint that Del Rio brought it on himself.
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Post by Supercheese on Aug 18, 2014 12:33:20 GMT -5
Eh, if a dude is making racist remarks, that doesn't have a whole helluva lot to do with his push. You can't hit people, his firing was justified. Bullshit of trying to restructure his deal post firing though? Hope he nails em for that. There have been plenty of instances of WWE stars fighting back stage. WWE used this as an excuse to get a decent earner off the wage bill. I might be overly cynical here, but that how it seems to me.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Aug 18, 2014 12:35:20 GMT -5
Honestly, I think that we shouldn't mix all the shitstorm that this incident has created
I will not call the WWE racist just because the social media guy was a jerk. Also they were with lots of trouble because the demand of the social media guy had more weight. That being said, the WWE should find a way to punish the social media guy and I would have tried to give Del Rio the same facilities that Bryan received when he was fired, since about though del rio was in the wrong he still had a case, let him gain some name in mexico and patch thing later. Also, extending his no competiton clause is something that should be illegal, and I hope that Del Rio wins there
But since the WWE did everything wrong, they now look like racists, they made a huge star for another company, and in a worse case could kill their presence in Mexico which is a good market, if I were them I will find a way to clean their image, specially know that they need all the support in the world.
Also, del rio looked like a classy guy in that interview, wasn't in full burial mode, and his complaints looked fair. I wonder if he had a worse temper in the backstage. Also his promo yesterday in TripleMania where he even defended Sin Cara Myzteziz honor lol
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 18, 2014 12:36:12 GMT -5
I see alot of people saying "good go after WWE on the independent contractor thing".
Does anyone not realize how seriously f***ed the wrestlers would be if that were to go through? Guys not to be snarky but before anyone makes assumptions just look into the Fair Labor Standards Act, and realize how they would really become indentured servants.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 18, 2014 12:36:19 GMT -5
If physically abusing employees are ground for firing, then why is a certain Wrestling God still employed? Lol On a side note, when people claimed that ADR stole JBL's gimmick, he did an interview saying that ADR was a better performer than he ever was.
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Aug 18, 2014 12:37:16 GMT -5
First of all, this is the wrestling circus. What do you expect?
Second, Del Rio must have felt so victimized with his multiple title reigns when he had absolutely no heat. Must have been the bigoted office holding him down.
He was marketed as a Mexican aristocrat and willingly participated in Anti-American promos while working for the WWE.
He reacted to a man's stupid comment (that he wasn't even privy to in person) with physical assault.
This case ought to be laughed out of any courtroom in the world.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2014 12:37:12 GMT -5
Wrestler v wrestler, sure. Smacking corporate guy not so much.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 18, 2014 12:37:39 GMT -5
The following is just my opinion. Del Rio came in and was given the world. A giant sustained push at the top and in the world and wwe title picture. He dethroned CM Punk in 2011 when no one should have. He was made a big deal fairly quick because he is of Mexican heritage. That's reverse racism. Years later the WWE finally realize there's no place for him in the main event, but still protect him as an upper mid carder and main event contender. Del Rio got butthurt because the show didn't revolve around him and took an opportunity to get out of there without breaching the contract or so he thought. Before I am attacked, cause I know it's coming. I am not condoning racism. If the stories are true I would have slapped the guy too if it were me. But putting someone in their place after comment didn't need to be taken as far as Del Rio did. It was a comment made with words that wasn't even directly toward him. It's not like he pulled a JBL and waited at the border to kick Mexicans back to Mexico. He made a dumbass comment indirectly. Del Rio is coming off as a self absorbed mark for himself. Who was being a baby about not being in the main event anymore. Or he reacted to a racial remark. Don't try and defend the indefensible or hint that Del Rio brought it on himself. I been called more racist names in so many different languages that you have to come up with some completely new to get a reaction from me. Just because someone calls you are racist name or say a racist remark doesn't give you free pass to assault someone. I understand the anger he felt but I can't sign off on that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 12:41:18 GMT -5
Del Rio has become the biggest babyface in wrestling overnight.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Aug 18, 2014 12:42:23 GMT -5
First of all, this is the wrestling circus. What do you expect? Second, Del Rio must have felt so victimized with his multiple title reigns when he had absolutely no heat. Must have been the bigoted office holding him down. He was marketed as a Mexican aristocrat and willingly participated in Anti-American promos while working for the WWE. He reacted to a man's stupid comment (that he wasn't even privy to in person) with physical assault. This case ought to be laughed out of any courtroom in the world. Someone seems to be blurring fictional portrayals with reality.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 18, 2014 12:43:39 GMT -5
Honestly, I think that we shouldn't mix all the shitstorm that this incident has created I will not call the WWE racist just because the social media guy was a jerk. Also they were with lots of trouble because the demand of the social media guy had more weight. That being said, the WWE should find a way to punish the social media guy and I would have tried to give Del Rio the same facilities that Bryan received when he was fired, since about though del rio was in the wrong he still had a case, let him gain some name in mexico and patch thing later. Also, extending his no competiton clause is something that should be illegal, and I hope that Del Rio wins there But since the WWE did everything wrong, they now look like racists, they made a huge star for another company, and in a worse case could kill their presence in Mexico which is a good market, if I were them I will find a way to clean their image, specially know that they need all the support in the world. Also, del rio looked like a classy guy in that interview, wasn't in full burial mode, and his complaints looked fair. I wonder if he had a worse temper in the backstage. Also his promo yesterday in TripleMania where he even defended Sin Cara Myzteziz honor lol Lol poor Myzteziz he lost the sin Cara name, tries to go back as Mistico but the CMLL owns the name and gave it to someone else, gets booked as the main star of the promotion then Alberto comes...the guy never catches a break
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Post by Supercheese on Aug 18, 2014 12:51:21 GMT -5
Or he reacted to a racial remark. Don't try and defend the indefensible or hint that Del Rio brought it on himself. I been called more racist names in so many different languages that you have to come up with some completely new to get a reaction from me. Just because someone calls you are racist name or say a racist remark doesn't give you free pass to assault someone. I understand the anger he felt but I can't sign off on that. Slapping someone is barely an assault. If the guy said that racial remark to me he'd have no teeth. Doing nothing will give him the impression what he did was acceptable. Del Rio called him out on it. Really disappointed with the number of people willing to defend a racist.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 18, 2014 12:58:49 GMT -5
I been called more racist names in so many different languages that you have to come up with some completely new to get a reaction from me. Just because someone calls you are racist name or say a racist remark doesn't give you free pass to assault someone. I understand the anger he felt but I can't sign off on that. Slapping someone is barely an assault. If the guy said that racial remark to me he'd have no teeth. Doing nothing will give him the impression what he did was acceptable. Del Rio called him out on it. Really disappointed with the number of people willing to defend a racist. You can condemn Del Rio's act without defending a racist. We had a long thread on this already and it was stated there is no place for violence in the workplace for any reason. I really don't think anyone is trying to defend a guy for a racist remark.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 18, 2014 13:00:19 GMT -5
I been called more racist names in so many different languages that you have to come up with some completely new to get a reaction from me. Just because someone calls you are racist name or say a racist remark doesn't give you free pass to assault someone. I understand the anger he felt but I can't sign off on that. Slapping someone is barely an assault. If the guy said that racial remark to me he'd have no teeth. Doing nothing will give him the impression what he did was acceptable. Del Rio called him out on it. Really disappointed with the number of people willing to defend a racist. I'm NOT defending racism. I am saying you can't do things without repercussions. Slapping counts as assault. Be sure to tell the cops after you slap someone that you can't go to jail because it's just a slap.
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 18, 2014 13:12:36 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see much ADR can do unless he can prove that some how WWE made such a racist environment that assault was the only thing that would make working there possible/tolerable.
He also has to prove that he complained about said actions to the proper people before attacking.
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