Honeybear Lyder
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Post by Honeybear Lyder on Aug 18, 2014 14:59:00 GMT -5
In his book Bret Hart recalls an incident somewhere around 1990 where Koko B Ware got in a fight, real fight, with one of Vince's officials over racial slurs (the guy was telling Koko to go eat fried chicken and watermellon), and was fired. The official was also fired a few days later, and of course Koko was then brought back.
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Post by Supercheese on Aug 18, 2014 15:00:10 GMT -5
I really hope he takes legal action and wins.It's pretty f***ed up that he was let go and that douche social media guy still has a job. Devil's advocate, but WWE was technically screwed as soon as the dude decided to tell the joke. Here's why. If they just don't react, and go with "it's settled, man up" or whatever, ADR can still go at them for not punishing a racist, and the guy can sue because he was assaulted at work. Fire the social media guy, and it's "They let me get attacked at work, then fired ME". Fire ADR, and we are where we are. Plus, technically speaking, one guy would have to be "let go" or put on administrative leave while something was sorted out. That (at least admin leave) is common practice in workplace disputes. With ADR getting physical, it would have to be him, though again it would be a temporary thing. Most fair minded bosses would see that Del Rio was provoked. The fact it was said slyly behind his back as well must piss him off as well. I wonder if the criticism towards Del Rio would be the same if it was someone like Eddie Guerrero slapping someone for a racial remark. Or if Daniel Bryan or CM Punk had slapped the social media guy for making a racial remark.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 18, 2014 15:00:16 GMT -5
WWE will look bad as long as the social media guy is continually employed.
Because unless they announce some sort of punishment, so far, he's got off scott-free.
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Post by Slanted and Enchanted on Aug 18, 2014 15:04:54 GMT -5
Looks like Cody Barbierri's Twitter and Instagram accounts are now both private. If he is still in the WWE I sincerely hope everyone is making things as awkward and uncomfortable for him as possible.
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Madagascar Fred
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Aug 18, 2014 15:17:21 GMT -5
strange world we live in. racist remarks are tolerated, guy is still employed, guy who took measures against the racist asshole gets punished bigtime...cant understand this inhuman corporate behavior
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 18, 2014 15:24:52 GMT -5
Devil's advocate, but WWE was technically screwed as soon as the dude decided to tell the joke. Here's why. If they just don't react, and go with "it's settled, man up" or whatever, ADR can still go at them for not punishing a racist, and the guy can sue because he was assaulted at work. Fire the social media guy, and it's "They let me get attacked at work, then fired ME". Fire ADR, and we are where we are. Plus, technically speaking, one guy would have to be "let go" or put on administrative leave while something was sorted out. That (at least admin leave) is common practice in workplace disputes. With ADR getting physical, it would have to be him, though again it would be a temporary thing. Most fair minded bosses would see that Del Rio was provoked. The fact it was said slyly behind his back as well must piss him off as well. I wonder if the criticism towards Del Rio would be the same if it was someone like Eddie Guerrero slapping someone for a racial remark. Or if Daniel Bryan or CM Punk had slapped the social media guy for making a racial remark. It would be the same reaction from me. And the board would make them martyrs like they are doing for Del Rio. IWC cred doesn't spare you from criticism.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Aug 18, 2014 15:26:32 GMT -5
Devil's advocate, but WWE was technically screwed as soon as the dude decided to tell the joke. Here's why. If they just don't react, and go with "it's settled, man up" or whatever, ADR can still go at them for not punishing a racist, and the guy can sue because he was assaulted at work. Fire the social media guy, and it's "They let me get attacked at work, then fired ME". Fire ADR, and we are where we are. Plus, technically speaking, one guy would have to be "let go" or put on administrative leave while something was sorted out. That (at least admin leave) is common practice in workplace disputes. With ADR getting physical, it would have to be him, though again it would be a temporary thing. Most fair minded bosses would see that Del Rio was provoked. The fact it was said slyly behind his back as well must piss him off as well. I wonder if the criticism towards Del Rio would be the same if it was someone like Eddie Guerrero slapping someone for a racial remark. Or if Daniel Bryan or CM Punk had slapped the social media guy for making a racial remark. Are people going to throw this f***ing argument out for everything that might put WWE in a not-so-positive light publicly? And by and large, most people have been saying Del Rio is justified. But I get it. Stupid IWC smarks are biased.
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Post by BRV on Aug 18, 2014 15:31:01 GMT -5
The social media employee should have been fired or at the very least suspended indefinitely without pay while WWE sorted all this mess out, then fired. He does not deserve the right to keep his job, as there is no place in a work environment for that kind of attitude and that sort of racist behavior.
That being said, Alberto Del Rio absolutely deserved to be fired. You're a professional in a workplace. If you lay your hands on a co-worker, you deserve to be fired. If you have a problem with comments a co-worker is making, you bring it to someone in human resources, you don't resort to burying a hand in their face.
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Post by Supercheese on Aug 18, 2014 15:35:18 GMT -5
Most fair minded bosses would see that Del Rio was provoked. The fact it was said slyly behind his back as well must piss him off as well. I wonder if the criticism towards Del Rio would be the same if it was someone like Eddie Guerrero slapping someone for a racial remark. Or if Daniel Bryan or CM Punk had slapped the social media guy for making a racial remark. Are people going to throw this f***ing argument out for everything that might put WWE in a not-so-positive light publicly? And by and large, most people have been saying Del Rio is justified. But I get it. Stupid IWC smarks are biased. WWE promote an anti-bullying campaign - Del Rio is standing up to the bully making racial remarks yet they've stuck with the cowardly racist who can only make comments behind someone's back. They are - any one who says anything different is deluding themselves. IWC smarks are well known to flame certain individuals for actions whilst allowing others a pass.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2014 15:35:57 GMT -5
strange world we live in. racist remarks are tolerated, guy is still employed, guy who took measures against the racist asshole gets punished bigtime...cant understand this inhuman corporate behavior It's as someone mentioned earlier, corporations go with whatever they think will get them sued less. Violence would lead to a lawsuit every time. That's why I've said it was a justified firing. From a corporate standpoint, you can't strike another employee, regardless of whether you have ethical justifications or not. A company will cut you loose if there's a possibility they'll get sued every time.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 18, 2014 15:46:00 GMT -5
ADR was in a lose lose situation, if he hits he gets fired, if he doesn't (after 2 incidents no less) and "stooges" him to the office he's perceived as a bitch by everyone. You lose your cred there it's all downhill from there, look at Morrison once Batista screwed his woman, not only he didn't do anything, he got back together with her, Meltzer confirmed that Vince always saw him as pussy whipped after that. Shane Douglas refused to work while being hurt in msg, he got fired soon, same as Sin Cara. The WWE presents itself as a public traded company, but deep down it is still the circus, the chairman is a carny that values toughness.
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Post by arrx on Aug 18, 2014 15:52:26 GMT -5
I been called more racist names in so many different languages that you have to come up with some completely new to get a reaction from me. Just because someone calls you are racist name or say a racist remark doesn't give you free pass to assault someone. I understand the anger he felt but I can't sign off on that. Slapping someone is barely an assault. If the guy said that racial remark to me he'd have no teeth. Doing nothing will give him the impression what he did was acceptable. Del Rio called him out on it. Really disappointed with the number of people willing to defend a racist. Slapping is barely assault? You can get arrested for assault by slapping someone and be put in jail for the so called "barely assault". WWE had every right to fire Del Rio. He is acted like an uncivil animal. If you assault someone for calling you any name you are worse than they are, and you have justified any name they did call you.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 18, 2014 15:58:41 GMT -5
Slapping someone is barely an assault. If the guy said that racial remark to me he'd have no teeth. Doing nothing will give him the impression what he did was acceptable. Del Rio called him out on it. Really disappointed with the number of people willing to defend a racist. Slapping is barely assault? You can get arrested for assault by slapping someone and be put in jail for the so called "barely assault". WWE had every right to fire Del Rio. He is acted like an uncivil animal. If you assault someone for calling you any name you are worse than they are, and you have justified any name they did call you. Bullshit, nothing justifies being called an n word or another racial epithet, yeah slapping it's assault, guess what, there's so much you can take, until you snap, if it was I would react the same way, f*** it, I would smile in the courtroom.
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Post by arrx on Aug 18, 2014 16:06:28 GMT -5
Slapping is barely assault? You can get arrested for assault by slapping someone and be put in jail for the so called "barely assault". WWE had every right to fire Del Rio. He is acted like an uncivil animal. If you assault someone for calling you any name you are worse than they are, and you have justified any name they did call you. Bullshit, nothing justifies being called an n word or another racial epithet, yeah slapping it's assault, guess what, there's so much you can take, until you snap, if it was I would react the same way, f*** it, I would smile in the courtroom. There is not a name in any book that anyone can call you or me that justifies any assault upon them. But then again there are people who justify shooting kids at schools for the same reasons
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Post by Crimson on Aug 18, 2014 16:07:29 GMT -5
Slapping someone is barely an assault. If the guy said that racial remark to me he'd have no teeth. Doing nothing will give him the impression what he did was acceptable. Del Rio called him out on it. Really disappointed with the number of people willing to defend a racist. Slapping is barely assault? You can get arrested for assault by slapping someone and be put in jail for the so called "barely assault". WWE had every right to fire Del Rio. He is acted like an uncivil animal. If you assault someone for calling you any name you are worse than they are, and you have justified any name they did call you. Del Rio got the punishment he deserved but reacting violently towards racism doesn't make him like an animal.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 18, 2014 16:10:09 GMT -5
Bullshit, nothing justifies being called an n word or another racial epithet, yeah slapping it's assault, guess what, there's so much you can take, until you snap, if it was I would react the same way, f*** it, I would smile in the courtroom. There is not a name in any book that anyone can call you or me that justifies any assault upon them. But then again there are people who justify shooting kids at schools for the same reasons Ok buddy you are one of the lucky ones, never been discriminated before, I didn't knew that I supported school shootings, you learn a new thing everyday...
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 18, 2014 16:12:09 GMT -5
So what happened to wrestler's court, locker room respect, paying dues, proving you belong there etc....and all that other bullshit?
Apparently you can get hazed for not knowing the secret handshake, but if you are a wrestler and get racially insulted and retaliate, you get sacked while the piece of shit who said it gets backed up by the future co-owner.
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Post by Crimson on Aug 18, 2014 16:21:30 GMT -5
And you know what, I say more power to Del Rio for revealing WWE's shit. The WWE likes to do PR campaigns like "Stand up for WWE" and "B.A. Star" when it makes them look good, so if they get exposed for the hypocrites they are, they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Aug 18, 2014 16:30:57 GMT -5
Did someone really bring in the 'But if CM Punk or Daniel Bryan" argument? Really?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 16:32:47 GMT -5
Who's mentioned that Del Rio is a legit fighter? Legally, if he puts his hands on somebody who doesn't really have a beatdown coming, he'll be punished even worse than usual, right? Sadly that's going to f*** him up, I bet.
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