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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2014 16:36:08 GMT -5
So what happened to wrestler's court, locker room respect, paying dues, proving you belong there etc....and all that other bullshit? Apparently you can get hazed for not knowing the secret handshake, but if you are a wrestler and get racially insulted and retaliate, you get sacked while the piece of shit who said it gets backed up by the future co-owner. That only applies between wrestlers apparently. That's not fair, but seems pretty clearly the case.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Aug 18, 2014 16:37:41 GMT -5
Did someone really bring in the 'But if CM Punk or Daniel Bryan" argument? Really? THE CM PUNK PARADOX!!!!!!!
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Aug 18, 2014 16:43:53 GMT -5
So what happened to wrestler's court, locker room respect, paying dues, proving you belong there etc....and all that other bullshit? Apparently you can get hazed for not knowing the secret handshake, but if you are a wrestler and get racially insulted and retaliate, you get sacked while the piece of shit who said it gets backed up by the future co-owner. That only applies between wrestlers apparently. That's not fair, but seems pretty clearly the case. In a publicly traded company (or any company, but obviously we're treating WWE as different here), employees don't get to for reals hit other employees. If a wrestler tolerates another wrestler hitting them, that's on them, but they don't have to. Alberto made the decision his pride was more important to him than his job. Or he thought he had the job security that he could act like Shawn Michaels and do whatever the f*** he wanted.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2014 16:45:12 GMT -5
That only applies between wrestlers apparently. That's not fair, but seems pretty clearly the case. In a publicly traded company (or any company, but obviously we're treating WWE as different here), employees don't get to for reals hit other employees. If a wrestler tolerates another wrestler hitting them, that's on them, but they don't have to. Alberto made the decision his pride was more important to him than his job. Or he thought he had the job security that he could act like Shawn Michaels and do whatever the f*** he wanted. Oh totally. As you said, generally wrestlers will 'sort things out themselves'. That's not gonna happen within corporate structure. It just ain't.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Aug 18, 2014 16:47:45 GMT -5
Did someone really bring in the 'But if CM Punk or Daniel Bryan" argument? Really? Not that it necessarily applies here, but yes there are many instances of wrestlers getting into situations and the general reaction of the board has me wondering if it would be the same had it been a more/less popular wrestler.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Aug 18, 2014 16:48:57 GMT -5
I used to work in a nightclub. The bouncers legally couldn't punch anybody, no matter what the circumstances. If they needed to defend themselves against drunk fighting idiots, they could use an open palm slap.
I once watched an angry 5'7 bouncer smack the shit out of a drunk clubber and knocked him out.
A slap from YOU, dear reader, sitting in front of your computer typing with your small, soft hands is nothing compared to that of a legit fighter. So anybody in this thread saying a slap is barely an assault is talking like a complete idiot. Period.
Here's what Del Rio confirmed in that video: He didn't even know the racist guy's name. They spoke one other time 8 months ago. He heard indirectly through somebody else that the racist made a derogatory remark about him. So a 6'5, 240 lbs wrestler/MMA fighter smacked the f*** out of him.
Whether or not you think the racist is wrong is now IRRELEVANT. A giant wrestler just assaulted a physically and mentally weak tech employee and potentially gave him a concussion. And he didn't even know his name and they never spoke to each other.
Del Rio admits he made a mistake and acted out inappropriately and told everyone they should never do what he did. So that's the end of it. He knows he f***ed up and guess what, he was right.
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Post by Supercheese on Aug 18, 2014 17:01:17 GMT -5
Did someone really bring in the 'But if CM Punk or Daniel Bryan" argument? Really? It's a valid argument as it happens on these boards all of the time.
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Post by SenorCrest on Aug 18, 2014 17:25:48 GMT -5
I watched the whole interview. The only reason Del Rio is even thinking of taking any legal action is because wwe wants extend his no compete clause to a year. He doesn't find that fair. he understands why he was fired and has no problem with it because he knows he shouldn't slapped the guy. He said that he feels embarrassed he reacted that way because he let his anger get the best of him. He never dissed the wwe in that interview and in fact he was very professional about this whole thing. The following is just my opinion. Del Rio came in and was given the world. A giant sustained push at the top and in the world and wwe title picture. He dethroned CM Punk in 2011 when no one should have. He was made a big deal fairly quick because he is of Mexican heritage. That's reverse racism. Years later the WWE finally realize there's no place for him in the main event, but still protect him as an upper mid carder and main event contender. Del Rio got butthurt because the show didn't revolve around him and took an opportunity to get out of there without breaching the contract or so he thought. Before I am attacked, cause I know it's coming. I am not condoning racism. If the stories are true I would have slapped the guy too if it were me. But putting someone in their place after comment didn't need to be taken as far as Del Rio did. It was a comment made with words that wasn't even directly toward him. It's not like he pulled a JBL and waited at the border to kick Mexicans back to Mexico. He made a dumbass comment indirectly. Del Rio is coming off as a self absorbed mark for himself. Who was being a baby about not being in the main event anymore. Yeah no dude that has nothing to do with that. Also if you are in the main even you are making good money, he is in this business to make money. I see alot of people saying "good go after WWE on the independent contractor thing". Does anyone not realize how seriously f***ed the wrestlers would be if that were to go through? Guys not to be snarky but before anyone makes assumptions just look into the Fair Labor Standards Act, and realize how they would really become indentured servants. he just thinks a no compete clause for a year is overkill. First of all, this is the wrestling circus. What do you expect? Second, Del Rio must have felt so victimized with his multiple title reigns when he had absolutely no heat. Must have been the bigoted office holding him down. He was marketed as a Mexican aristocrat and willingly participated in Anti-American promos while working for the WWE. He reacted to a man's stupid comment (that he wasn't even privy to in person) with physical assault. This case ought to be laughed out of any courtroom in the world. you're confusing real life with wrestling guy. He had problem with this dude for some time now. He never said wwe was racist jut thinks the one year thing is too much.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 18, 2014 17:32:57 GMT -5
I see alot of people saying "good go after WWE on the independent contractor thing". Does anyone not realize how seriously f***ed the wrestlers would be if that were to go through? Guys not to be snarky but before anyone makes assumptions just look into the Fair Labor Standards Act, and realize how they would really become indentured servants. he just thinks a no compete clause for a year is overkill. I think that's overkill myself also. Granted was in the contract he signed but I'm sure an agreement could be made regarding the length of that. My comment was more directed at those that are saying "take down the independent contractor designation" that was posted in the thread. That's a topic for another thread though, really don't wanna derail this one any more than it already is by talking about it further here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 17:49:31 GMT -5
...and Jack Swagger being a witness. And that explains THAT loss last night, then. "But that makes no--" "Because WWE." "Well, good point. I concede."
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Aug 18, 2014 17:58:08 GMT -5
Did someone really bring in the 'But if CM Punk or Daniel Bryan" argument? Really? It's a valid argument as it happens on these boards all of the time. CM Punk and Daniel Bryan don't exist in an alternate reality where they commit the exact same crimes or misfortunes of other popular wrestlers at the exact same time of their occurrence so I don't see it as a valid argument
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2014 18:00:43 GMT -5
Did someone really bring in the 'But if CM Punk or Daniel Bryan" argument? Really? It's a valid argument as it happens on these boards all of the time. Not nearly as much as the accusation of same though, oddly enough. It's almost always the case that "If X wrestler did it you'd think Y!" is trotted out FIRST.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 18, 2014 18:02:00 GMT -5
he just thinks a no compete clause for a year is overkill. I think that's overkill myself also. Granted was in the contract he signed but I'm sure an agreement could be made regarding the length of that. My comment was more directed at those that are saying "take down the independent contractor designation" that was posted in the thread. That's a topic for another thread though, really don't wanna derail this one any more than it already is by talking about it further here. I think they SHOULD be freely independent contractors. What WWE shouldn't be doing is getting all the advantages of contractors, yet treating them like employees anyway.
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Post by saintpat on Aug 18, 2014 18:23:03 GMT -5
I must be missing something: the linked story (the transcript) has no mention of racism or racial anything, but the title of the thread does.
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Post by Pillman's Pencil on Aug 18, 2014 18:24:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 18:41:59 GMT -5
I used to work in a nightclub. The bouncers legally couldn't punch anybody, no matter what the circumstances. If they needed to defend themselves against drunk fighting idiots, they could use an open palm slap. I once watched an angry 5'7 bouncer smack the shit out of a drunk clubber and knocked him out. A slap from YOU, dear reader, sitting in front of your computer typing with your small, soft hands is nothing compared to that of a legit fighter. So anybody in this thread saying a slap is barely an assault is talking like a complete idiot. Period. Here's what Del Rio confirmed in that video: He didn't even know the racist guy's name. They spoke one other time 8 months ago. He heard indirectly through somebody else that the racist made a derogatory remark about him. So a 6'5, 240 lbs wrestler/MMA fighter smacked the f*** out of him. Whether or not you think the racist is wrong is now IRRELEVANT. A giant wrestler just assaulted a physically and mentally weak tech employee and potentially gave him a concussion. And he didn't even know his name and they never spoke to each other. Del Rio admits he made a mistake and acted out inappropriately and told everyone they should never do what he did. So that's the end of it. He knows he f***ed up and guess what, he was right. While I agree, I'd like to point out that Barbierri could've easily avoided getting slapped if he didn't talk shit about Del Rio.
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Post by saintpat on Aug 18, 2014 18:44:39 GMT -5
Thanks. The article on the other link that I read didn't mention that he said the comment was racist.
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Post by angryfan on Aug 18, 2014 18:45:28 GMT -5
Devil's advocate, but WWE was technically screwed as soon as the dude decided to tell the joke. Here's why. If they just don't react, and go with "it's settled, man up" or whatever, ADR can still go at them for not punishing a racist, and the guy can sue because he was assaulted at work. Fire the social media guy, and it's "They let me get attacked at work, then fired ME". Fire ADR, and we are where we are. Plus, technically speaking, one guy would have to be "let go" or put on administrative leave while something was sorted out. That (at least admin leave) is common practice in workplace disputes. With ADR getting physical, it would have to be him, though again it would be a temporary thing. Most fair minded bosses would see that Del Rio was provoked. The fact it was said slyly behind his back as well must piss him off as well. I wonder if the criticism towards Del Rio would be the same if it was someone like Eddie Guerrero slapping someone for a racial remark. Or if Daniel Bryan or CM Punk had slapped the social media guy for making a racial remark. In my case, no, it wouldn't be any different. Still no call for the remark, as it's classless and racist and stupid and immature. No call for the assault since, with ADR being a trained fighter (beating cupcakes in MMA notwithstanding) he could technically face a felony charge in some jurisdictions because of his training. Punk has slapped people for "crossing lines" with him, and he got lambasted every single time. Jericho got the same treatment. I don't blame ADR for being beyond livid, I would be too. Thing is, this ain't a first for a WWE executive. PS Hayes dropped an N bomb on Mark Henry, and what'd he get? Suspended, but not fired. That was WITH witnesses. This social media dude, when it got to ADR, it was in the realm of hearsay. His reaction proves that he said it, and also that he's a giant douche canoe, but being an asshole is not a criminal act. WWE could have (and could still) fire him, but if they do it on the heels of him being physically attacked (rightly or wrongly) they WILL get sued, and they WILL lose.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Aug 18, 2014 18:47:50 GMT -5
I used to work in a nightclub. The bouncers legally couldn't punch anybody, no matter what the circumstances. If they needed to defend themselves against drunk fighting idiots, they could use an open palm slap. I once watched an angry 5'7 bouncer smack the shit out of a drunk clubber and knocked him out. A slap from YOU, dear reader, sitting in front of your computer typing with your small, soft hands is nothing compared to that of a legit fighter. So anybody in this thread saying a slap is barely an assault is talking like a complete idiot. Period. Here's what Del Rio confirmed in that video: He didn't even know the racist guy's name. They spoke one other time 8 months ago. He heard indirectly through somebody else that the racist made a derogatory remark about him. So a 6'5, 240 lbs wrestler/MMA fighter smacked the f*** out of him. Whether or not you think the racist is wrong is now IRRELEVANT. A giant wrestler just assaulted a physically and mentally weak tech employee and potentially gave him a concussion. And he didn't even know his name and they never spoke to each other. Del Rio admits he made a mistake and acted out inappropriately and told everyone they should never do what he did. So that's the end of it. He knows he f***ed up and guess what, he was right. While I agree, I'd like to point out that Barbierri could've easily avoided getting slapped if he didn't talk shit about Del Rio. Human Resources doesn't care about that. Neither does the State of Connecticut. Had Del Rio used his better judgement and not physically assaulted him, Barbierri would've been punished. When we're children, our teachers and parents would tell us "Two wrongs don't make a right." That thought process would've worked wonders for Del Rio.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Aug 18, 2014 18:49:32 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Del Rio was in the wrong. If he chilled out, and brought it up with the right people, this wouldn't have been a problem. Then again, I don't know how WWE's power structure works; they could just outright excuse it saying "it's just words". If that happened, Del Rio would be completely in the right. He knows that.
The no complete stuff is overkill. And Del Rio deserves to fight that.
As for the social media guy, he'll probably stick around. Just like Bubba the Loser Sponge. If he does get taken out or punished, that'd be nice. I doubt it though.
Dealing with racism freakin' sucks, because the onus of proof is on you. You pretty much have to outmaneuver the idiot or have a bunch of willing witness see what happened to get your way. And never ever get violent, no matter how much you want to.
And then you better hope that the people you brought the proof to actually care. If they don't, then you're stuck with a racist who hates you even more because you almost cost them their job.
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