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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 18, 2014 13:12:42 GMT -5
WWE was put into a very difficult situation. WWE is a publicly traded company and in today's environment they really can't tolerate one of their contracted performers slapping an employee when there was no PHYSICAL provocation. However, since WWE did not tolerate Del Rio's actions and he was fired, I believe WWE may also be able to reprimand the employee (assuming they haven't) if they felt his joke about Del Rio and his response to Del Rio when confronted about it were unprofessional or went against company policy. Since they fired Del Rio, I think that gives WWE the leverage to be able to also reprimand the employee in some way for what led to the assault. Of course, we don't know for sure that the employee was not somehow reprimanded as well, though there are no reports that he has been. Also, it could potentially actually help WWE is they could show that they did reprimand the employee if the media picked up this story or if WWE ever has to address this situation in a legal setting.
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Post by Supercheese on Aug 18, 2014 13:16:26 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see much ADR can do unless he can prove that some how WWE made such a racist environment that assault was the only thing that would make working there possible/tolerable. He also has to prove that he complained about said actions to the proper people before attacking. By sacking Del Rio and, as far as we know, not punishing the racist - WWE have made it clear that racism isn't high on their agenda.
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Post by JTG Fan on Aug 18, 2014 13:18:27 GMT -5
Ridiculous allegation by Mr. Del Rio. The WWE/Vince McMahon doesn't have a racist bone in their... Wait. What's that? Oh.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 18, 2014 13:21:06 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see much ADR can do unless he can prove that some how WWE made such a racist environment that assault was the only thing that would make working there possible/tolerable. He also has to prove that he complained about said actions to the proper people before attacking. By sacking Del Rio and, as far as we know, not punishing the racist - WWE have made it clear that racism isn't high on their agenda. So we just assume and lob remarks at them? I think it's pretty safe to say something happened but seeing as "the boyz" aren't privy to the day to day goings on in the office we might never know.
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Post by eJm on Aug 18, 2014 13:26:09 GMT -5
I feel like considering this has become a big public thing, especially for the demographic they have wanted for over 10 years with Mysterio and Guerrero, they have it in their best interest to be more public with what happened or at the very least try and damage the strained relationship.
They need to either say why they haven't punished the social media person or what punishment they are going to give him because without clarity, it's just going to get worse.
And they have done this before with the Malaysian Airline stuff (which backfired on them, to be fair, because they avoided taking the blame for something they could have easily changed and prevented from being a big thing).
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 18, 2014 13:29:57 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see much ADR can do unless he can prove that some how WWE made such a racist environment that assault was the only thing that would make working there possible/tolerable. He also has to prove that he complained about said actions to the proper people before attacking. By sacking Del Rio and, as far as we know, not punishing the racist - WWE have made it clear that racism isn't high on their agenda. We don't know what happened to the other guy. Trust me im not taking up for racism, but racist comments are not a crime, unless you can prove damages. However, assault is always a crime. At most all that the wwe has to do is prove that either. A: some punishment/or investigation happened to said employee B: the only person who actually claims that the racist action happened was ADR AFTER the assault.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 13:36:59 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see much ADR can do unless he can prove that some how WWE made such a racist environment that assault was the only thing that would make working there possible/tolerable. He also has to prove that he complained about said actions to the proper people before attacking. By sacking Del Rio and, as far as we know, not punishing the racist - WWE have made it clear that racism isn't high on their agenda. I'm guessing the key reason the twitter guy wasn't released is that an attempt of his to sue would hold more merit in court if he was fired after being assaulted in the workplace. Not because they tolerate racism. They're trying to avoid losing in court. Del Rio attempting to sue them over it would be unsuccessful, due to him hitting the guy. If Del Rio hadn't hit the guy over the comments and just let someone know, ADR would still be there and the twitter guy would be likely gone. Not because WWE are great people there either, but because if they didn't release twitter guy, then ADR would be the one with a legal case in court. None of it has anything to do with what WWE likes and don't like. It has everything to do with "Who can and can't successfully sue us?".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 13:38:51 GMT -5
By sacking Del Rio and, as far as we know, not punishing the racist - WWE have made it clear that racism isn't high on their agenda. I'm guessing the key reason the twitter guy wasn't released is that an attempt of his to sue would hold more merit in court if he was fired after being assaulted in the workplace. Not because they tolerate racism. They're trying to avoid losing in court. Del Rio attempting to sue them over it would be unsuccessful, due to him hitting the guy. If Del Rio hadn't hit the guy over the comments and just let someone know, ADR would still be there and the twitter guy would be likely gone. Not because WWE are great people there either, but because if they didn't release twitter guy, then ADR would be the one with a legal case in court. None of it has anything to do with what WWE likes and don't like. It has everything to do with "Who can and can't successfully sue us?". If they didn't actively employ open racists, they wouldn't have this problem to begin with.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 18, 2014 13:42:16 GMT -5
What's the big fuss about this alleged "racial remark"? So ADR was incensed that this guy made fun of him by saying he should do the dishes, because people of his ethnicity who live in America often have menial jobs? So what exactly? Is this really warranting the extreme reaction some people appear to give to such comments? ...So you're asking why Del Rio was upset at having what he felt was a racial remark directed at him? You're really asking that?
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Post by The Shareholder is nude on Aug 18, 2014 13:42:40 GMT -5
Or he reacted to a racial remark. Don't try and defend the indefensible or hint that Del Rio brought it on himself. I been called more racist names in so many different languages that you have to come up with some completely new to get a reaction from me. Just because someone calls you are racist name or say a racist remark doesn't give you free pass to assault someone. I understand the anger he felt but I can't sign off on that. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! you......hmm....you are a PUDDINGHEAD!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 13:51:36 GMT -5
Doesn't racist speech in some places actually count as a form of assault? I'm fairly sure it does, but since you gotta wonder who considers what "hate speech" and all that, I couldn't imagine too many people getting caught under it.
Y'all, I can't even pretend like I'd be all "turn the other cheek" if someone at the company I worked for told me to calm my black ass down and dance my cares away with a jig, for example.
If I'd have been in ADR's position, dude would've got slapped down and I wouldn't be about people like my co-workers telling me I was wrong for doing so. Relationships would have to be re-evaluated, son.
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Post by Crimson on Aug 18, 2014 13:52:36 GMT -5
Time to add the WWE to the Wheel of Aggression.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 18, 2014 13:54:35 GMT -5
I been called more racist names in so many different languages that you have to come up with some completely new to get a reaction from me. Just because someone calls you are racist name or say a racist remark doesn't give you free pass to assault someone. I understand the anger he felt but I can't sign off on that. CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! you......hmm....you are a PUDDINGHEAD!!!!! Why I never. You sir are a roasted pheasant with minced red potatoes.
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Post by Crimson on Aug 18, 2014 14:00:16 GMT -5
By sacking Del Rio and, as far as we know, not punishing the racist - WWE have made it clear that racism isn't high on their agenda. I'm guessing the key reason the twitter guy wasn't released is that an attempt of his to sue would hold more merit in court if he was fired after being assaulted in the workplace. Not because they tolerate racism. They're trying to avoid losing in court. Del Rio attempting to sue them over it would be unsuccessful, due to him hitting the guy. If Del Rio hadn't hit the guy over the comments and just let someone know, ADR would still be there and the twitter guy would be likely gone. Not because WWE are great people there either, but because if they didn't release twitter guy, then ADR would be the one with a legal case in court. None of it has anything to do with what WWE likes and don't like. It has everything to do with "Who can and can't successfully sue us?". Just the same though, I think that in a time where the WWE is desperate for investors, that they would not want to deal with all this backlash and being associated with racism. Not defending Del Rio either, same thing actually happened to my Brother-in-Law where he got let go for similar reasons. Simple fact is, you can't strike a co-worker no matter what the circumstance. But, at the same time, the WWE handled the situation poorly so all of this fallout is their own fault.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 18, 2014 14:01:18 GMT -5
Doesn't racist speech in some places actually count as a form of assault? I'm fairly sure it does, but since you gotta wonder who considers what "hate speech" and all that, I couldn't imagine too many people getting caught under it. Y'all, I can't even pretend like I'd be all "turn the other cheek" if someone at the company I worked for told me to calm my black ass down and dance my cares away with a jig, for example. If I'd have been in ADR's position, dude would've got slapped down and I wouldn't be about people like my co-workers telling me I was wrong for doing so. Relationships would have to be re-evaluated, son. It counts as harassment. There had been times I wanted to murk someone for calling me a racist name like the cab driver in Singapore who refer to me as N***** but I thought about it and realized the world of shit I would get into reacting with violence. Not saying everyone is like that but that's me. I paid the price a number of times for giving in to rage. Would I done those things again, probably not. But at the time my emotions had got the better of me being a young knucklehead. Older me realize shit ain't worth it.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Aug 18, 2014 14:06:56 GMT -5
This plot has thickened.
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Post by Chiral on Aug 18, 2014 14:12:19 GMT -5
Time to add the WWE to the Wheel of Aggression. Ironically WWE, after years and years of creating their own foreign heels, have become one themselves in Mexico.
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Post by joeiscool on Aug 18, 2014 14:15:34 GMT -5
What's the big fuss about this alleged "racial remark"? So ADR was incensed that this guy made fun of him by saying he should do the dishes, because people of his ethnicity who live in America often have menial jobs? So what exactly? Is this really warranting the extreme reaction some people appear to give to such comments? ...So you're asking why Del Rio was upset at having what he felt was a racial remark directed at him? You're really asking that? #empathy #lifewithblinders
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Post by angryfan on Aug 18, 2014 14:22:25 GMT -5
I really hope he takes legal action and wins.It's pretty f***ed up that he was let go and that douche social media guy still has a job. Devil's advocate, but WWE was technically screwed as soon as the dude decided to tell the joke. Here's why. If they just don't react, and go with "it's settled, man up" or whatever, ADR can still go at them for not punishing a racist, and the guy can sue because he was assaulted at work. Fire the social media guy, and it's "They let me get attacked at work, then fired ME". Fire ADR, and we are where we are. Plus, technically speaking, one guy would have to be "let go" or put on administrative leave while something was sorted out. That (at least admin leave) is common practice in workplace disputes. With ADR getting physical, it would have to be him, though again it would be a temporary thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 14:44:19 GMT -5
Doesn't racist speech in some places actually count as a form of assault? I'm fairly sure it does, but since you gotta wonder who considers what "hate speech" and all that, I couldn't imagine too many people getting caught under it. Y'all, I can't even pretend like I'd be all "turn the other cheek" if someone at the company I worked for told me to calm my black ass down and dance my cares away with a jig, for example. If I'd have been in ADR's position, dude would've got slapped down and I wouldn't be about people like my co-workers telling me I was wrong for doing so. Relationships would have to be re-evaluated, son. It counts as harassment. There had been times I wanted to murk someone for calling me a racist name like the cab driver in Singapore who refer to me as N***** but I thought about it and realized the world of shit I would get into reacting with violence. Not saying everyone is like that but that's me. I paid the price a number of times for giving in to rage. Would I done those things again, probably not. But at the time my emotions had got the better of me being a young knucklehead. Older me realize shit ain't worth it. That's real. To me a lot of other factors roll into it. I mean, I would've understood (though not liked it) if ADR didn't want to do anything because even for a guy like him who has "**** You" Money and will still have a place of employment if he wants it should anything pop off, a lot of shit could go wrong even if he demands he be respected without slapping someone down. I do try not to come down too hard judging how people react in situations like this, I don't always succeed but eh....
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