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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 25, 2014 15:04:17 GMT -5
You and I both know that TNA are not in much of a position to negotiate. I'm just glad that SOMEONE is willing to pick them up. I'd rather they be on a shitty TV channel than no TV channel at all. If said new network isn't giving TNA enough to get by, they put themselves even further in the hole. Might as well and call Toby Keith back and tell him you'll take any deal he offers. Wasn't the Toby Keith thing just newz? Or wasn't he just backing Jarrett? at this point selling the company to another buyer means nothing because either way, TNA is still off of Spike at the end of the year and in need of a new network. The burden would just be out of Dixie's hands and placed on someone else. TNA needs to cut more costs. Not by letting bigger names walk away, but by cutting aspects of the product that are frivolous and only exist to say "see we're big just like WWE", so that the process of taping the show isn't as costly.
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Post by JTG Fan on Aug 25, 2014 15:05:59 GMT -5
at this point selling the company to another buyer means nothing because either way, TNA is still off of Spike at the end of the year and in need of a new network. The burden would just be out of Dixie's hands and placed on someone else. Networks may find the idea of TNA 'Under New Management' more attractive though then if it's still being led by the person in charge when it got kicked off Spike.
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Post by silverplaquevii on Aug 25, 2014 15:05:58 GMT -5
well if you believe wiki spike is in 98 million homes and velocity is only in 52 million. 1.1 will become .5 maybe less That really just means available homes. If every single person it was available to had it, it would be in 52 million homes. That's why the Spike, USA, TNN, TNT numbers are close to accurate is they are on a basic/low end tier. This Velocity channel doesn't seem to appear that way. That's why Spike TV/Fight Network is also in Canada. If Spike, Velocity, and others don't get Impact, all that's left is NBC Universal to air TNA's shows under the WWE banner.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 25, 2014 15:06:17 GMT -5
It's rumored for about 1/4 of what they got before from Spike. Can't watch it at home as Cablevision doesn't offer that channel. Verizon Fios has it but it's buried on their 2nd highest tier package (means my cheap ass mother in law doesn't have it). IDK about Time Warner or Comcast either maybe someone can check see where it is. edit : Comcast don't have it either....who the hell does Satellite TV? edit again : Time Warner does...so in the NYC metro area it's Time Warner or Fios Yep, I checked Comcast and they don't have it. So TNA is about to become even more meaningless and out of the public's eye than before if the deal goes through. But with future main events to look forward to like Gunner vs Shaw, maybe the general population should be spared that.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Aug 25, 2014 15:07:16 GMT -5
Wow, I actually have Velocity on Dish. Thought it had been moved to the super ultra high tier level.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 15:09:21 GMT -5
I've never even heard of Velocity. In that case, yeah, I imagine TNA's going to be dead sooner rather than later. If nothing else, being on that small of a channel means that advertising their existence means nothing and they're just going to be spinning their wheels until this channel eventually cancels them too then they die completely, assuming they can survive that long.
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Post by slappy on Aug 25, 2014 15:10:06 GMT -5
I'd get the channel with Time Warner if I upgraded to a different channel package and got an HD TV and box.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 25, 2014 15:10:38 GMT -5
If said new network isn't giving TNA enough to get by, they put themselves even further in the hole. Might as well and call Toby Keith back and tell him you'll take any deal he offers. Wasn't the Toby Keith thing just newz? Or wasn't he just backing Jarrett? at this point selling the company to another buyer means nothing because either way, TNA is still off of Spike at the end of the year and in need of a new network. The burden would just be out of Dixie's hands and placed on someone else. TNA needs to cut more costs. Not by letting bigger names walk away, but by cutting aspects of the product that are frivolous and only exist to say "see we're big just like WWE", so that the process of taping the show isn't as costly. Going to use some real numbers here. Or as real as we know. From what reports are, TNA gets about 300K an episode from Spike for TNA. If this contract is as reported about 1/4 of that, that means TNA will get about 75K an episode from it. With the costs of renting an arena in place, this being an HD only channel so having to produce it that way. Paying talent , office workers, travel costs of equipment and personnel, there's just no way they can do this. A deal like this puts them down at ROH levels of exposure. Problem TNA has is when they do any touring/house shows, no one shows up. ROH fills places, and gets their programming on TV for free. If this goes down, really isn't going to matter to me. I'll have no way to watch it.
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Post by silverplaquevii on Aug 25, 2014 15:10:47 GMT -5
Don't forget Claro TV Digital, Dish Network Mexico has Velocity. Some Discovery networks are also in Canada owned by Bell Media (ID, Discovery, etc...)
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 25, 2014 15:11:34 GMT -5
If said new network isn't giving TNA enough to get by, they put themselves even further in the hole. Might as well and call Toby Keith back and tell him you'll take any deal he offers. Wasn't the Toby Keith thing just newz? Or wasn't he just backing Jarrett? at this point selling the company to another buyer means nothing because either way, TNA is still off of Spike at the end of the year and in need of a new network. The burden would just be out of Dixie's hands and placed on someone else. TNA needs to cut more costs. Not by letting bigger names walk away, but by cutting aspects of the product that are frivolous and only exist to say "see we're big just like WWE", so that the process of taping the show isn't as costly. Nope, Toby Keith and Double J were actually trying to buy TNA. The deal was about to go through when Bob Carter said he would sell only if Dixie retained power and on screen role. Of course, Keith and Jarrett pulled out the deal and here we are today. TNA cut anymore cost, they will be filming Impact in a West Tennessee VFW with a single camera.
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Post by JTG Fan on Aug 25, 2014 15:13:00 GMT -5
A deal like this puts them down at ROH levels of exposure. Problem TNA has is when they do any touring/house shows, no one shows up. ROH fills places, and gets their programming on TV for free. There's where they need to go back to what Bischoff did when he first took over WCW. If people aren't showing up, don't tour just for the sake of touring. Film in a studio until people are willing to pay to see your show.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 15:15:08 GMT -5
A deal like this puts them down at ROH levels of exposure. Problem TNA has is when they do any touring/house shows, no one shows up. ROH fills places, and gets their programming on TV for free. There's where they need to go back to what Bischoff did when he first took over WCW. If people aren't showing up, don't tour just for the sake of touring. Film in a studio until people are willing to pay to see your show. The thing is though, WCW still had a budget and a good channel where they were at least accessible so they could build up an audience. Under this deal the only viewers TNA's going to have are going to be people specifically seeking them out and there isn't really going to be a way to change that.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 25, 2014 15:15:10 GMT -5
Don't forget Claro TV Digital, Dish Network Mexico has Velocity. Some Discovery networks are also in Canada owned by Bell Media (ID, Discovery, etc...) I know but that 52 million figure that's being discussed is just U.S. TV's. Good info though. I'm sure the worldwide number for Velocity puts it alot higher than 52 million.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 25, 2014 15:18:16 GMT -5
A deal like this puts them down at ROH levels of exposure. Problem TNA has is when they do any touring/house shows, no one shows up. ROH fills places, and gets their programming on TV for free. There's where they need to go back to what Bischoff did when he first took over WCW. If people aren't showing up, don't tour just for the sake of touring. Film in a studio until people are willing to pay to see your show. I hear that Dollywood got an available soundstage.
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Post by slappy on Aug 25, 2014 15:23:38 GMT -5
There's where they need to go back to what Bischoff did when he first took over WCW. If people aren't showing up, don't tour just for the sake of touring. Film in a studio until people are willing to pay to see your show. I hear that Dollywood got an available soundstage. They were in negotiations but ultimately couldn't come to a deal because they refused to rename the place Dixiewood.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 25, 2014 15:38:54 GMT -5
Wasn't the Toby Keith thing just newz? Or wasn't he just backing Jarrett? at this point selling the company to another buyer means nothing because either way, TNA is still off of Spike at the end of the year and in need of a new network. The burden would just be out of Dixie's hands and placed on someone else. TNA needs to cut more costs. Not by letting bigger names walk away, but by cutting aspects of the product that are frivolous and only exist to say "see we're big just like WWE", so that the process of taping the show isn't as costly. Going to use some real numbers here. Or as real as we know. From what reports are, TNA gets about 300K an episode from Spike for TNA. If this contract is as reported about 1/4 of that, that means TNA will get about 75K an episode from it. With the costs of renting an arena in place, this being an HD only channel so having to produce it that way. Paying talent , office workers, travel costs of equipment and personnel, there's just no way they can do this. A deal like this puts them down at ROH levels of exposure. Problem TNA has is when they do any touring/house shows, no one shows up. ROH fills places, and gets their programming on TV for free. If this goes down, really isn't going to matter to me. I'll have no way to watch it. TNA needs to bite the bullet and stop trying to be "big like WWE". That's where most of their costs are going. If they have to shoot in HD, fine, that's a necessary evil, but they do not need a big fancy set, and can easily get by on just a skeleton crew. Suck it up, go for a minimalist setup and go for small venues like ballrooms, and the oft mocked rec centers and high school gyms. High quality lighting, camera and editing work can help minimize the "bush league" aura. If they can't make money doing house shows then they should just not do house shows. Just Exclusively do TV tapings, one episode per event either weekly or over the course of one week a month.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Aug 25, 2014 15:47:33 GMT -5
It's rumored for about 1/4 of what they got before from Spike. Can't watch it at home as Cablevision doesn't offer that channel. Verizon Fios has it but it's buried on their 2nd highest tier package (means my cheap ass mother in law doesn't have it). IDK about Time Warner or Comcast either maybe someone can check see where it is. edit : Comcast don't have it either....who the hell does Satellite TV? edit again : Time Warner does...so in the NYC metro area it's Time Warner or Fios I have Comcast and can access Velocity. It's on channel 870, way up there with the HD channels.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 25, 2014 15:53:18 GMT -5
It's rumored for about 1/4 of what they got before from Spike. Can't watch it at home as Cablevision doesn't offer that channel. Verizon Fios has it but it's buried on their 2nd highest tier package (means my cheap ass mother in law doesn't have it). IDK about Time Warner or Comcast either maybe someone can check see where it is. edit : Comcast don't have it either....who the hell does Satellite TV? edit again : Time Warner does...so in the NYC metro area it's Time Warner or Fios I have Comcast and can access Velocity. It's on channel 870, way up there with the HD channels. Ok cool for you then. Must just be in this area it's not available. Comcast does have a pretty huge imprint on the US map for cable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 16:15:01 GMT -5
There's where they need to go back to what Bischoff did when he first took over WCW. If people aren't showing up, don't tour just for the sake of touring. Film in a studio until people are willing to pay to see your show. The thing is though, WCW still had a budget and a good channel where they were at least accessible so they could build up an audience. Under this deal the only viewers TNA's going to have are going to be people specifically seeking them out and there isn't really going to be a way to change that. Wrestling fans are more patient than even they themselves are willing to admit though. If TNA rebrand themselves, and sincerely rebrand themselves, as in not just coming up with a slogan and booking exactly as they would anyways, I think they can renew interest. It's not completely impossible, given that ROH thrives on similar resources, but ROH has a finger on the pulse of what its audience wants and actually changes accordingly. TNA don't have their finger on the pulse of anything and it's futile to think that with less money they'll suddenly figure it out. Again, not impossible, but come on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 16:24:49 GMT -5
There's where they need to go back to what Bischoff did when he first took over WCW. If people aren't showing up, don't tour just for the sake of touring. Film in a studio until people are willing to pay to see your show. I hear that Dollywood got an available soundstage. This woud inevitably make #Dixiewood a part of my life, so I pray this does not happen.
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