Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 17:21:47 GMT -5
I want Brock to break Cena's arm (not in reality), cause it'll be hilarious. HIS version of the "never give up" bullshit is stupid, One day it's gonna get him seriously injured. - Apollo creed had a "Never give up" attitude = he died - Rocky had a never "Never give up attitude = he got brain damage - The Klingons have a "never give up" attitude = most of the time gets them massacred (depending in who's with them) Giving up/retreating to save yourself so you can live to fight another day is not a bad thing, Putting ego before brains is. you keep giving up people are going to stop giving you other days to try again. Never assume you're going to get another chance. That takes bigger ego than refusing to give up Tapping is not a sign of weakness when faced with serious injury. If the options are: Tap and fight another day or getting my arm snapped in half, risking long term damage... I'm tapping.
|
|
|
Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 2, 2014 17:23:43 GMT -5
I want Brock to break Cena's arm (not in reality), cause it'll be hilarious. HIS version of the "never give up" bullshit is stupid, One day it's gonna get him seriously injured. - Apollo creed had a "Never give up" attitude = he died - Rocky had a never "Never give up attitude = he got brain damage - The Klingons have a "never give up" attitude = most of the time gets them massacred (depending in who's with them) Giving up/retreating to save yourself so you can live to fight another day is not a bad thing, Putting ego before brains is. you keep giving up people are going to stop giving you other days to try again. Never assume you're going to get another chance. That takes bigger ego than refusing to give up And yet it is impossible to wrestle when your arm is in pieces and a doctor is planning to hold it together with screws and plates. Common sense and survival instinct, basic human nature, all far more important than a t shirt slogan and would go a hell of a long way to telling an actual story, though I am well aware you care not for that.
|
|
|
Post by boogeyman on Sept 2, 2014 17:25:55 GMT -5
you keep giving up people are going to stop giving you other days to try again. Never assume you're going to get another chance. That takes bigger ego than refusing to give up Tapping is not a sign of weakness when faced with serious injury. If the options are: Tap and fight another day or getting my arm snapped in half, risking long term damage... I'm tapping. All he has to say is he likes crepes
|
|
Allie Kitsune
Crow T. Robot
Always Feelin' Foxy.
Celestial Princess in Exile.
Posts: 46,104
|
Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 2, 2014 17:28:58 GMT -5
some of these comments on Brock... I take it the goal is to make Brock the first man who needs to be shot to lose the WWE title? Good thing no one here writes superhero comics. We'd get Doomsday vs Batman instead of Superman. so many want the heels to do anything they want without consequences but never the faces Bad guys promise to hurt the people that the majority finds boring. Bad guys promise to crush the hopes and dreams of those that the majority do not like. Why shouldn't they want the bad guys to win all the time?
|
|
|
Post by boogeyman on Sept 2, 2014 17:29:11 GMT -5
Swagger has taken similar beatings and has sold his ribs. Hell rusev is still selling his ankle.
Why is Cena super saiyan after the ass beating?
This is my problem.
|
|
mrjl
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,319
|
Post by mrjl on Sept 2, 2014 17:53:16 GMT -5
some of these comments on Brock... I take it the goal is to make Brock the first man who needs to be shot to lose the WWE title? Good thing no one here writes superhero comics. We'd get Doomsday vs Batman instead of Superman. so many want the heels to do anything they want without consequences but never the faces Bad guys promise to hurt the people that the majority finds boring. Bad guys promise to crush the hopes and dreams of those that the majority do not like. Why shouldn't they want the bad guys to win all the time? majority is presumptuous. Because eventually the bad guy would start doing it to people they do like.
|
|
mrjl
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,319
|
Post by mrjl on Sept 2, 2014 17:55:03 GMT -5
Swagger has taken similar beatings and has sold his ribs. Hell rusev is still selling his ankle. Why is Cena super saiyan after the ass beating? This is my problem. different styles of beating. Swagger and Rusev are selling submission holds.
|
|
|
Post by boogeyman on Sept 2, 2014 18:58:03 GMT -5
But cena should be selling his back and ribs after being german suplexed 16 times, with one vertical suplex. And all those knees to the gut. Hell punk sold the beating better than cena
|
|
mrjl
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,319
|
Post by mrjl on Sept 2, 2014 19:22:29 GMT -5
But cena should be selling his back and ribs after being german suplexed 16 times, with one vertical suplex. And all those knees to the gut. Hell punk sold the beating better than cena I don't really remember anyone selling anything but his submission hold long term so far. But four of seven previous matches have been against part timers so it's kind of hard to judge. Hell, I forgot about Brock Punk
|
|
|
Post by Milkman Norm on Sept 2, 2014 20:54:15 GMT -5
some of these comments on Brock... I take it the goal is to make Brock the first man who needs to be shot to lose the WWE title? Good thing no one here writes superhero comics. We'd get Doomsday vs Batman instead of Superman. so many want the heels to do anything they want without consequences but never the faces Bad guys promise to hurt the people that the majority finds boring. Bad guys promise to crush the hopes and dreams of those that the majority do not like. Why shouldn't they want the bad guys to win all the time? Because wrestling is a melodrama and in the long term that kind of thinking helps ruin wrestling.
|
|
|
Post by HMARK Center on Sept 2, 2014 21:56:42 GMT -5
The problem with making a tap out look "shameful" or whatever is that, in that case, no character that the writers want you to take seriously will ever do it. Instead, they'll "pass out from pain" or whatever other cop out.
Problem: this means that when those "never say "I quit"/never tap out" angles DO happen, they're absolutely meaningless, because they're old hat.
That simple, really. If you want something in wrestling to actually mean something to the fans, you can't do it all the damn time, or always in the same way.
Hell, it's why Brock's so over right now; dude's not around every single week, so when he does appear it means something big is happening.
|
|
|
Post by boogeyman on Sept 2, 2014 23:09:36 GMT -5
Ref stoppage is the best copout. Especially since they have been using it. A battered, bloody, and dazed cena being pummeled with elbows, hammerfist, and sledges.
They kept teasing it at summerslam.
Cena losing by again taking another demolishing and getting beaten into unconsciousness keeps that "never give up" creedo alive. Makes brock look like an animal. And yeah.
I really don't want Daniel Bryan to beat brock. Size, grappling, speed, power, striking. Lesnar has bryan beat.
Brock's weakness is stairs though
|
|
|
Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Sept 3, 2014 3:53:24 GMT -5
As it has been mentioned before in previous threads provided it was booked properly having Cena tap out to or have his arm broken by Brock would be perfect way for the WWE to get rid of the idiotic tapping out is for pansies stigma that have created once and for bloody all.
But fat chance of that happening as I'm sure if Brock broke his arm Cena will have the same bullshit Wolverine style healing that HHH showe when Brock broke his arm for the first time.
|
|
|
Post by whtbldclls on Sept 3, 2014 4:29:22 GMT -5
Brock's weakness is stairs though That's why he jumps up onto the apron in his entrance.
|
|
mrjl
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,319
|
Post by mrjl on Sept 3, 2014 4:48:44 GMT -5
Ref stoppage is the best copout. Especially since they have been using it. A battered, bloody, and dazed cena being pummeled with elbows, hammerfist, and sledges. They kept teasing it at summerslam. Cena losing by again taking another demolishing and getting beaten into unconsciousness keeps that "never give up" creedo alive. Makes brock look like an animal. And yeah. I really don't want Daniel Bryan to beat brock. Size, grappling, speed, power, striking. Lesnar has bryan beat. Brock's weakness is stairs though I think Bryan's kicks with the flying knee to finish it off should give him the win
|
|
Magnus the Magnificent
King Koopa
didn't want one.
I could write a book about what you don't know!
Posts: 12,459
|
Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Sept 3, 2014 4:50:32 GMT -5
Brock's weakness is stairs though That's why he jumps up onto the apron in his entrance. Holy Shit! Brock is Darkseid!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 4:58:59 GMT -5
some of these comments on Brock... I take it the goal is to make Brock the first man who needs to be shot to lose the WWE title? Good thing no one here writes superhero comics. We'd get Doomsday vs Batman instead of Superman. so many want the heels to do anything they want without consequences but never the faces You need to build villains to build heroes. That's what the point of Lesnar should be right now. Cena's beaten him before, he's had the WWE title more times than anyone in history, he'll tie Flair for most title wins period (as far as WWE's concerned) the next time he wins it, and he's been THE top hero for the past decade and probably only has a couple of years worth of a career left to show for it judging by all of the injury reports out about him. He is not the person Lesnar should be used to build up, particularly after the beating he took just a month after being absolutely mauled by him. Cena should not be Rocky here. He should be Apollo getting slaughtered to build to someone else avenging the loss and becoming the conquering hero. And with the story they're telling here, Cena needs to tap. If the match gets stopped he's just going to bitch and moan that he got screwed and never really lost. He needs to have his will broken.
|
|
mrjl
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,319
|
Post by mrjl on Sept 3, 2014 5:31:38 GMT -5
some of these comments on Brock... I take it the goal is to make Brock the first man who needs to be shot to lose the WWE title? Good thing no one here writes superhero comics. We'd get Doomsday vs Batman instead of Superman. so many want the heels to do anything they want without consequences but never the faces You need to build villains to build heroes. That's what the point of Lesnar should be right now. Cena's beaten him before, he's had the WWE title more times than anyone in history, he'll tie Flair for most title wins period (as far as WWE's concerned) the next time he wins it, and he's been THE top hero for the past decade and probably only has a couple of years worth of a career left to show for it judging by all of the injury reports out about him. He is not the person Lesnar should be used to build up, particularly after the beating he took just a month after being absolutely mauled by him. Cena should not be Rocky here. He should be Apollo getting slaughtered to build to someone else avenging the loss and becoming the conquering hero. And with the story they're telling here, Cena needs to tap. If the match gets stopped he's just going to bitch and moan that he got screwed and never really lost. He needs to have his will broken. Brock's built to the point no one can believably beat him at this point. Anyone who does will look fake, especially if they use a normal WWE booking strategy, namely Brock is not someone you can come back against And no hero should ever have their will broke. And it's never been WWE's way to build the heroes before the villains. They destroyed all the competition building the heroes then filling in villains
|
|
Jiren
Patti Mayonnaise
Hearts Bayformers
Posts: 35,163
|
Post by Jiren on Sept 3, 2014 9:18:24 GMT -5
some of these comments on Brock... I take it the goal is to make Brock the first man who needs to be shot to lose the WWE title? Good thing no one here writes superhero comics. We'd get Doomsday vs Batman instead of Superman. so many want the heels to do anything they want without consequences but never the faces You need to build villains to build heroes. That's what the point of Lesnar should be right now. Cena's beaten him before, he's had the WWE title more times than anyone in history, he'll tie Flair for most title wins period (as far as WWE's concerned) the next time he wins it, and he's been THE top hero for the past decade and probably only has a couple of years worth of a career left to show for it judging by all of the injury reports out about him. He is not the person Lesnar should be used to build up, particularly after the beating he took just a month after being absolutely mauled by him. Cena should not be Rocky here. He should be Apollo getting slaughtered to build to someone else avenging the loss and becoming the conquering hero. And with the story they're telling here, Cena needs to tap. If the match gets stopped he's just going to bitch and moan that he got screwed and never really lost. He needs to have his will broken. It should be Bryan or Ambrose Reigns maybe (If he improves) but it's obvious he's the one to do it if it's not cena
|
|
mrjl
Fry's dog Seymour
Posts: 20,319
|
Post by mrjl on Sept 3, 2014 12:21:27 GMT -5
You need to build villains to build heroes. That's what the point of Lesnar should be right now. Cena's beaten him before, he's had the WWE title more times than anyone in history, he'll tie Flair for most title wins period (as far as WWE's concerned) the next time he wins it, and he's been THE top hero for the past decade and probably only has a couple of years worth of a career left to show for it judging by all of the injury reports out about him. He is not the person Lesnar should be used to build up, particularly after the beating he took just a month after being absolutely mauled by him. Cena should not be Rocky here. He should be Apollo getting slaughtered to build to someone else avenging the loss and becoming the conquering hero. And with the story they're telling here, Cena needs to tap. If the match gets stopped he's just going to bitch and moan that he got screwed and never really lost. He needs to have his will broken. It should be Bryan or Ambrose Reigns maybe (If he improves) but it's obvious he's the one to do it if it's not cena Ambrose can't even get through Rollins and Kane. What chance does he have against Brock
|
|